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Indian Field Marshal about Pakistan Army in East Pakistan

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No this is worst kind of surrender. Giving green single to drone attack to kill little children.. Shame...

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Thats helping usa and world in general to eliminate Al-qaida/ttp fighter who are both enemy of usa/nato and pakistan.Instead pakistan is fighting wot to save the world from terror.



Guys just look at the gem of the day here. This guy thinks that 'just' 90000 soldiers surrendered was less shamefull :rofl:



If that was surrender Pakistan is surrendering everyday. OBL raid for instance. (dont want to go off topic but just going by your defination.)
OBL raid happened with pakistan's assistance.USA itself has accepted it.

ISI colonel provided vital help in locating Osama: US author | DAWN.COM
 
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No Bengali wanted to sit across the table to discuss and solve it without violence. They wanted revenge on Pakistan army. Do you know the bengalis were killing Pakistan army personnel in cold blood wherever they could even after pa had been disarmed in individual groups.

One of the main reasons India took the pow was to prevent absolute slaughter of the pows. Initially India wanted to let BD have the pows for effect. The plan was dropped when they realized the consequence of leaving PA in BD hands.

If what you say was true, why many Bangalis migrated to Pakistan then ? Look at this excerpt from Wikipedia :

Pakistani Bengalis (Urdu: پاکستانی بنگالی ‎) are mainly settled in Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan. Nearly all were illegal Muslim migrants from Bangladesh and most have now obtained Pakistani citizenship. Different sources estimate the population of Pakistani Bengalis between 100,000-500,000 immigrants in Karachi with Bengali origin. Many of the migrants are remnants of East Pakistan settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) who chose to stay back even after the Bangladesh War while others immigrated from Bangladesh later. Much of the Bangladeshi-origin population also includes the thousands of stateless Biharis (called Stranded Pakistanis) who were allowed resettlement in Pakistan after the 1971 war in Bangladesh.
 
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And its really unbelievable how shameless indians term surrender after mumbai incident and at kandhar as their restraint ,pursuit etc etc.
If above two are not surrender then 1971 is not surrender for pakistan instead it was pakistan restrain to avoid civilian casualtites caught in between the two warring armies.
It was pakistan's restraint to avoid making dhaka as another Beirut.

ok let's do it ur way:

Case 1: Kandhar Hijack - India had just fought a war in Kargil & terrorists took advantage of security lapses in Kathmandu airport & hijacked IC-814 with 150+ people on board, they were not only Indians but of others nationality also, there was no way India could had performed a commando operation since that would had resulted in loss of lives as terrorists were even ready to blow the plane up. Plus, India did not recognized the Talibani regime in Afghanistan which was totally hostile to India & was tacitly helping the terrorists, so India had no support from host country govt. either. Add to all this the pressure from the families of the people on board & American govt. (since there was an American citizen on board), which was demonstrating day & night in front of the PMO, now if exchanging 3 terrorists with that of freedom of 150+ people & happiness of there relatives is called SURRENDER than be it.


Case 2: 26/11 - first make up ur mind as to why u called it an Indian surrender??? Did u wanted India to attack Pakistan??? maybe u are accepting that the GOP was indeed responsible for 26/11. Anyways, starting a war was not the right step for India & I am proud that India didn't took that case, since India is a rising power & war at such a crucial time of it's growth had only resulted in loss of innocent lives, property, prosperity, u believe it or not but every country in this world praised Indian restrain at that time & mind u it can't be called as surrender as nations don't praise surrenders.

+ It was not that India didn't do anything, but if u look closely to the events of 4 years post 26/11 than u will know that India has achieved a great diplomatic victory the world over, now no nation trusts Pakistan as far as Terrorism goes, it's biggest Ally of the cold-war US attacks with drones on it's territory nearly everyday & making mockery of it's sovereignty, didn't even trust her to catch the most wanted terrorist in the world. All it's traditional weapon suppliers are thinning down it's supplies to Pak, be it US, France, Germany or any other nation. Every powerful leader in this world is now calling for Pakistan to act on terrorists from German Chancellor to US President. Even the major Arab (& ally of Pak) nation KSA helped India arresting terrorists totally ignoring Pakistani concerns.

Case 3: surrender of 1971: U r claim on saving human lives is completely BS, since Indian Army never killed innocent civilians apart from that killed in collateral damages, in fact they were cheered & greeted when they set foot on BD by local people. PA surrendered only b'coz they were surrounded on all sides - IAF had taken complete air superiority, IN had enforced complete blockage of BD, IA was all over BD & PA soldiers were in fear of retaliation by local pop. thats why they thought better to surrender.
 
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One of the main reasons India took the pow was to prevent absolute slaughter of the pows. Initially India wanted to let BD have the pows for effect. The plan was dropped when they realized the consequence of leaving PA in BD hands.

It's not true too actually. The prisoners of war were released because Bangladeshis didn't accept Pakistani Army officers which could have brought up an uprising against their newly formed government by the people loyal to Pakistan. (I also proved you in the last post of mine that there were people who were loyal to Pakistan, some of which migrated to Pakistan after 1971 War). Also Indian economy was unable to provide for POWs for a long term. Eventually they had to be released back.
 
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nah like this.........................

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Above is the worst kind of surrender .

I think this is more like it, happening on daily basis in Pakistan
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Also Indian economy was unable to provide for POWs for a long term. Eventually they had to be released back.



Aha....
They were released AFTER you signed Simla Agreement.
Lol at yr lahori logic or misrepresentation of facts.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=vDotO6eM9xU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvDotO6eM9xU[/video]
 
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ok let's do it ur way:

Case 1: Kandhar Hijack - India had just fought a war in Kargil & terrorists took advantage of security lapses in Kathmandu airport & hijacked IC-814 with 150+ people on board, they were not only Indians but of others nationality also, there was no way India could had performed a commando operation since that would had resulted in loss of lives as terrorists were even ready to blow the plane up. Plus, India did not recognized the Talibani regime in Afghanistan which was totally hostile to India & was tacitly helping the terrorists, so India had no support from host country govt. either. Add to all this the pressure from the families of the people on board & American govt. (since there was an American citizen on board), which was demonstrating day & night in front of the PMO, now if exchanging 3 terrorists with that of freedom of 150+ people & happiness of there relatives is called SURRENDER than be it.
You had your chance in amritsar but coward penpushers of delhi wasted time ultimately resulting in your surrender.


Case 2: 26/11 - first make up ur mind as to why u called it an Indian surrender??? Did u wanted India to attack Pakistan??? maybe u are accepting that the GOP was indeed responsible for 26/11. Anyways, starting a war was not the right step for India & I am proud that India didn't took that case, since India is a rising power & war at such a crucial time of it's growth had only resulted in loss of innocent lives, property, prosperity, u believe it or not but every country in this world praised Indian restrain at that time & mind u it can't be called as surrender as nations don't praise surrenders.

+ It was not that India didn't do anything, but if u look closely to the events of 4 years post 26/11 than u will know that India has achieved a great diplomatic victory the world over, now no nation trusts Pakistan as far as Terrorism goes, it's biggest Ally of the cold-war US attacks with drones on it's territory nearly everyday & making mockery of it's sovereignty, didn't even trust her to catch the most wanted terrorist in the world. All it's traditional weapon suppliers are thinning down it's supplies to Pak, be it US, France, Germany or any other nation. Every powerful leader in this world is now calling for Pakistan to act on terrorists from German Chancellor to US President. Even the major Arab (& ally of Pak) nation KSA helped India arresting terrorists totally ignoring Pakistani concerns.
26/11 was clear surrender like kandhar ..haan thats different thing that you can term is restrain etc just to comfort your heart.26/11 will remain the most shameful surrender in history of mankind.

Case 3: surrender of 1971: U r claim on saving human lives is completely BS, since Indian Army never killed innocent civilians apart from that killed in collateral damages, in fact they were cheered & greeted when they set foot on BD by local people. PA surrendered only b'coz they were surrounded on all sides - IAF had taken complete air superiority, IN had enforced complete blockage of BD, IA was all over BD & PA soldiers were in fear of retaliation by local pop. thats why they thought better to surrender.
Gen. niaizi could have fought the urban war in dacca but then he resisted keeping in mind the civilian casualties caught in between the crossfires of two armies.

As for IAF and IN having air space control and sea control means nothing.In order to control the lan army has to go in and capture the land ...Even usa has Air superiority over afghanistan it controls afghanistan's airspace even then its suffering casualties on daily basis from rag tag taliban on the ground. such is the moral sapping defeat usa is facing in afghansitan that it now running away from it just as in Vietnam. If IA would have been caught in the urban war in decca than PA would have made it slog it out for every cm of advance.

But Gen.Niazi too decision in favour of not fighting in decca as it would have caused ten lakhs of civilian casualties.
 
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I think this is more like it, happening on daily basis in Pakistan
Drone11111111-133298-133842-640x480.jpg

your surrender papers aka dossiers....................:tongue:

http://arunshanbhag.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mumbaiattacksevidence-11.pdf
http://arunshanbhag.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mumbaiattacksevidence-21.pdf
http://arunshanbhag.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mumbaiattacksevidence-31.pdf
http://arunshanbhag.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mumbaiattacksevidence-4.pdf

Also Indian economy was unable to provide for POWs for a long term. Eventually they had to be released back.



Aha....
They were released AFTER you signed Simla Agreement.
Lol at yr lahori logic or misrepresentation of facts.

[video]http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=vDotO6eM9xU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvDotO6eM9xU[/video]
lol at the indians on their bijnori logic...........calling surrender of kandhar and mumbai as restrain.:lol:
 
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If what you say was true, why many Bangalis migrated to Pakistan then ? Look at this excerpt from Wikipedia :

Pakistani Bengalis (Urdu: پاکستانی بنگالی ‎) are mainly settled in Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan. Nearly all were illegal Muslim migrants from Bangladesh and most have now obtained Pakistani citizenship. Different sources estimate the population of Pakistani Bengalis between 100,000-500,000 immigrants in Karachi with Bengali origin. Many of the migrants are remnants of East Pakistan settled in West Pakistan (now Pakistan) who chose to stay back even after the Bangladesh War while others immigrated from Bangladesh later. Much of the Bangladeshi-origin population also includes the thousands of stateless Biharis (called Stranded Pakistanis) who were allowed resettlement in Pakistan after the 1971 war in Bangladesh.

It's not true too actually. The prisoners of war were released because Bangladeshis didn't accept Pakistani Army officers which could have brought up an uprising against their newly formed government by the people loyal to Pakistan. (I also proved you in the last post of mine that there were people who were loyal to Pakistan, some of which migrated to Pakistan after 1971 War). Also Indian economy was unable to provide for POWs for a long term. Eventually they had to be released back.

You are either very young or very thick. There were Razakars who supported Pakistan by killing the other bengalis along with PA. However they were literally hunted after the war. The biharis supported Pakistan. Many have settled in Pakistan.

It's economics.

At that time most bengalis were baying for blood.
 
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what a pathetic argument and trolling from both sides!!!!

Pakistan Army surrender in present day Bangladesh because it was a futile war! and if they had carried on fighting a lot more innocent people would have died.


So purely from a humanatarian point of view laying down arms and letting the people live with their choice was a better and smart thing to do rather than carry on fighting until all 90,000 were killed and in the wake of it killing of millions of bangladeshis!
 
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Hey guys, i have definitions of two words for persons who are lazy enough to look into a lexicon for help:

Surrender - To relinquish possession or control of to another because of demand or compulsion.

Dossier - a file containing detailed records on a particular person or subject.

Now only god knows how these two words are synonymous to each other, can someone explain it to me??
 
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26/11 was clear surrender like kandhar ..haan thats different thing that you can term is restrain etc just to comfort your heart.26/11 will remain the most shameful surrender in history of mankind.

U didn't explain as to what exactly u wanted India to do???
 
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