Indian conventional superiority a myth?

[UKBengali]

So PAF decisively defeats the IAF that came with SU-30MKIs with just JF-17s.

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

Indians will now be worried that even the Rafale will not help them as the PAF will just use the JF-17 Block 3 against it. Block 3 will introduce AESA radar, more powerful engine and will surely get the new PL-10 WVR and PL-15 BVR AAMs.

Does what happened on the 27th of February totally change the conventional calculus between India and Pakistan?

 

[Sugarcane]

PAF needed some shakeup as they were becoming circus lions, Thanks to Modi he provided opportunity to re-test theory of Quality vs Quantity (Men & Machines both).

 

[Longhorn]

So PAF decisively defeats the IAF that came with SU-30MKIs with just JF-17s.

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

Indians will now be worried that even the Rafale will not help them as the PAF will just use the JF-17 Block 3 against it. Block 3 will introduce AESA radar, more powerful engine and will surely get the new PL-10 WVR and PL-15 BVR AAMs.

Does what happened on the 27th of February totally change the conventional calculus between India and Pakistan?

There has been a paradigm shift in perception since last Monday. A lot of myths have been busted and a lot of truths have hit home.

 

[American Pakistani]

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

Su30 maybe a great jet and better than JF17(definitely), but I also think it has more to do with pilot skills and his patriotism. Indian military on the other hand knows they are fighting a useless war in IOK for some emotional egoistic @$$h0l3s in india, deep inside their hearts and minds they know their place in IOK which is nothing more than an occupier terrorist. No wonder why they have massive suicide rate too.

 

[Cookie Monster]

So PAF decisively defeats the IAF that came with SU-30MKIs with just JF-17s.

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

Indians will now be worried that even the Rafale will not help them as the PAF will just use the JF-17 Block 3 against it. Block 3 will introduce AESA radar, more powerful engine and will surely get the new PL-10 WVR and PL-15 BVR AAMs.

Does what happened on the 27th of February totally change the conventional calculus between India and Pakistan?

Main conventional strength of India comes with their bigger size and bigger population. Even if Pak operated superior quality jets/tanks/naval ships/etc...in a war of attrition Pak would run into trouble. In order to match India conventionally Pak would have to match quality and quantity...which isn't going to be possible bcuz of the sheer difference in land area(resources) and population(utilizable labor) between the two countries.

 

[Preacher]

PAF Pilots > IAF Pilot

JF-17 +- SU-30

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So PAF decisively defeats the IAF that came with SU-30MKIs with just JF-17s.

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

Indians will now be worried that even the Rafale will not help them as the PAF will just use the JF-17 Block 3 against it. Block 3 will introduce AESA radar, more powerful engine and will surely get the new PL-10 WVR and PL-15 BVR AAMs.

Does what happened on the 27th of February totally change the conventional calculus between India and Pakistan?

indian conventional military superiority over Pakistan is just as mythical as indians using the internet, computers, satellites, submarines, cars etc 5,000-10,000 years ago:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/india-ancient-internet/558725/

Main conventional strength of India comes with their bigger size and bigger population. Even if Pak operated superior quality jets/tanks/naval ships/etc...in a war of attrition Pak would run into trouble. In order to match India conventionally Pak would have to match quality and quantity...which isn't going to be possible bcuz of the sheer difference in land area(resources) and population(utilizable labor) between the two countries.

Which is why we would need to inflict massive, heavy and debiliating damage to indian strategic assets early on in any conflict with them.

Also, when Pakistan's economy starts to improve and if we bring in conscription, we can match india or even surpass them in terms of BOTH quality and quantity.

 

[untitled]

Does what happened on the 27th of February totally change the conventional calculus between India and Pakistan?

The Pakistani military got a much needed confidence and morale boost.
Ideally we would have wanted to give the Indian military an even greater clobbering but taking in to account Pakistan's current situation unfortunately we can't for obvious reasons. So far we have just one this battle

 

[BHarwana]

It was a Chinese junk that made the difference and brought humiliation to India. Well that Chinese junk is now respected world wide.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

I would rephrase that. MKI was just as assumed, a great air superiority fighter, none of us can doubt it. But JF17 turned out to be A LOT BETTER than non-Pakistanis assumed and a match to anything India had in the air.

Read all the reports on Twitter from Pakistanis from different cities across Pakistan - Thunder was constantly in the air and the workhorse of the PAF just as it was expected to be. It means that the JF17 did indeed have a high turnaround and sortie rate, held it's own against Mig29s and Su30MKIs, and that its onboard Chinese origin electronics and missile are no joke!

 

[Wow]

Su 30mki has the RCS of berka dutts butt its capabilities has overly exaggerated and Jf 17 capabilities have been underplayed but pilot skills matter my friend it dies not matter the capabilities of the airplane if you have donkeys flying it

 

[BHarwana]

JF-17 is a mean green machine.

 

[Cookie Monster]

indian conventional military superiority over Pakistan is just as mythical as indians using the internet, computers, satellites, submarines, cars etc 5,000-10,000 years ago:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/04/india-ancient-internet/558725/





Which is why we would need to inflict massive, heavy and debiliating damage to indian strategic assets early on in any conflict with them.

Also, when Pakistan's economy starts to improve and if we bring in conscription, we can match india or even surpass them in terms of BOTH quality and quantity.

With or without conscription Pak has enough population to keep up in the numbers of soldiers in a prolonged war...but to match with India, the sheer size of equipment like tanks, jets, etc...Pak would need a really strong economy. This is where every Pakistani needs to pay his/her taxes and work hard. The Pakistani elite need to invest their money(whether legitimately earned or looted) in Pak rather than storing it abroad. The politicians/bureaucrats and other top officials need to stop their corruption. Education needs to be widespread...it should be mandatory that every child has to do at least high school(which should be free up until that point)...and no more "sifarish"...ppl should be selected for their competency. Ppl need to look beyond Shia/Sunni and Punjabi/Sindhi/Pathan/etc. and see themselves as Pakistani. Lots of major changes like these are needed at every level of society for Pakistan to ever hope to have an economy so stellar that it can keep up with India conventionally.

 

[Longhorn]

JF-17 is a mean green machine.

You can just imagine the commentary the next time a JF17 is flown at an airshow.

 

[Mani2020]

Main conventional strength of India comes with their bigger size and bigger population. Even if Pak operated superior quality jets/tanks/naval ships/etc...in a war of attrition Pak would run into trouble. In order to match India conventionally Pak would have to match quality and quantity...which isn't going to be possible bcuz of the sheer difference in land area(resources) and population(utilizable labor) between the two countries.

Remember what happened during Israel and middle East war? Israel won with clear dominance instead of being small in size both land as well as population and not to forget their military size ...

It's quality and technology that matters ... With good economy and better gadgets we can easily out smart them ...and not to forget what our religion teaches us ... 313 Vs 1000 well equipped ...

As a Muslim we believe that victory comes from ALLAH
Besides good to see rapid modernization of navy ..if we compare what they had and what they have on order ..there is some serious thought process going on within the ranks of navy .. although the quality of Chinese submarines is yet to be seen ..but on paper 4 frigates 8 subs and 4 corvette on order is a good jump

In airforce we just need one more platform in 4.5+ generation category with 54 in number i.e. 3 squadrons and we will be good to go

As of now we need to work on economy everything else will automatically fall in place