Indian conventional superiority a myth?

[Yaseen1]

the myth of conventional superiority was already broken by afghan taliban against soviet union and now u.s so those who were believing in this concept are living in fools paradise same is the case with india they only depend on weapons and have no support from ALLAH ALMIGHTY like with true Muslims fighting for genuine cause those idols are not capable for helping indians as these idols were made by humans and have no power for anything

 

[hussain0216]

Its a YES NO answer

The reality is india is BIG

1.4 BILLION PEOPLE
large country
More resources

So in short their conventional superiority is NOT a myth

But Pakistan is NOT weak and we have an array of offensive and defensive weapons

Pakistan has one of the biggest militaries in the world

Its not that the indians overestimated themselves

Its that they underestimated Pakistan

 

[AfrazulMandal]

So PAF decisively defeats the IAF that came with SU-30MKIs with just JF-17s.

Looks like the JF-17 is a bit better than we thought and the Su-30MKI is not as good as imagined.

Indians will now be worried that even the Rafale will not help them as the PAF will just use the JF-17 Block 3 against it. Block 3 will introduce AESA radar, more powerful engine and will surely get the new PL-10 WVR and PL-15 BVR AAMs.

Does what happened on the 27th of February totally change the conventional calculus between India and Pakistan?

Correct.

But honestly speaking, Pakistan always had the upper hand against India.

ONLY YOU did not know this.

 

[Imran Khan]

SU-30 is large plane with more RCS its easy to shot it down . just look its monster size .

 

[Secret Service]

Myth debunked by PAF.

 

[IbnAbdullah]

Salaam

The Indians do enjoy conventional military superiority as well as economic superiority. They seem to underperformed because their superior numbers have made them complacent.

For Pakistan, the fact that it faces a very powerful foe, has always been on the forefront of its consciousness. It is understood that it cannot afford to be wasteful and complacency will mean another 71.

This, imho, is the main difference. This is why Pakistan took the opportunity to develop the JF17 programme or Al Khalid etc very seriously and got the needed results. Whereas India knows it can afford to much about and if things don't work out they can always buy some high end stuff. And even when buying, you see a lot of corruption etc charges thrown about and delays.

Its why Israel was very efficient back in the day when it had to fight for its survival. Nowadays they struggle with Hizbullah as well.

India would become better if it had to actually consider a possibility of a war with China seriously.


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[AfrazulMandal]

Pakistan underestimates its doctrine of faith that it considers its motto.

Weaker Muslim armies have time and again totally destroyed much much greater civilizations in the past. You need to have the will to win. Even Indian military men INDIVIDUALLY are much weaker in spirit when compared to a civilian Muslim Indian.

Salaam

The Indians do enjoy conventional military superiority as well as economic superiority. They seem to underperformed because their superior numbers have made them complacent.

For Pakistan, the fact that it faces a very powerful foe, has always been on the forefront of its consciousness. It is understood that it cannot afford to be wasteful and complacency will mean another 71.

This, imho, is the main difference. This is why Pakistan took the opportunity to develop the JF17 programme or Al Khalid etc very seriously and got the needed results. Whereas India knows it can afford to much about and if things don't work out they can always buy some high end stuff. And even when buying, you see a lot of corruption etc charges thrown about and delays.

Its why Israel was very efficient back in the day when it had to fight for its survival. Nowadays they struggle with Hizbullah as well.

India would become better if it had to actually consider a possibility of a war with China seriously.


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India struggles with militants. Half the country is out of control and ruled by maoists. parts of the other half includes Kashmir.
What remains are its cities where there is some rule of law. Otherwise what else is here?

Sorry, but I dont see anything!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

With or without conscription Pak has enough population to keep up in the numbers of soldiers in a prolonged war...but to match with India, the sheer size of equipment like tanks, jets, etc...Pak would need a really strong economy. This is where every Pakistani needs to pay his/her taxes and work hard. The Pakistani elite need to invest their money(whether legitimately earned or looted) in Pak rather than storing it abroad. The politicians/bureaucrats and other top officials need to stop their corruption. Education needs to be widespread...it should be mandatory that every child has to do at least high school(which should be free up until that point)...and no more "sifarish"...ppl should be selected for their competency. Ppl need to look beyond Shia/Sunni and Punjabi/Sindhi/Pathan/etc. and see themselves as Pakistani. Lots of major changes like these are needed at every level of society for Pakistan to ever hope to have an economy so stellar that it can keep up with India conventionally.

Do you feel those changes are perhapes already happening?

 

[Maarkhoor]

SU-30 is large plane with more RCS its easy to shot it down . just look its monster size .

I spoke to PAF guy he was my class fellow in school he confirmed only that we have shoot down big fat boggy but he did't not mention which platform PAF used.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

I spoke to PAF guy he was my class fellow in school he confirmed only that we have shoot down big fat boggy but he did't not mention which platform PAF used.

Nonsense. he must not have known about it.

Or just did not want to share the info.

otherwise the Indian claims will be proven.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Nonsense. he must not have known about it.

Or just did not want to share the info.

otherwise the Indian claims will be proven.

Lols Idiot he is S.L and that level of officer must know each and every thing but they are professional not junk like yours.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Lols Idiot he is S.L and that level of officer must know each and every thing but they are professional not junk like yours.

So we shot the Su MKI?

The incompetence of the IAF would then be legendary.

 

[Maarkhoor]

So we shot the Su MKI?

We?
My fraand what is this.

 

[Godman]

Main conventional strength of India comes with their bigger size and bigger population. Even if Pak operated superior quality jets/tanks/naval ships/etc...in a war of attrition Pak would run into trouble. In order to match India conventionally Pak would have to match quality and quantity...which isn't going to be possible bcuz of the sheer difference in land area(resources) and population(utilizable labor) between the two countries.

Not entirely true. Just because India has a larger military doesn't give them that much of an advantage and a war of attrition is highly unlikely.
India can't send its entire military against Pakistan and even if they are to move a large percentage of their forces against Pakistan they will need to be sure that there will be no funny moves by other rivals (China).
While India is certainly doing vastly better than Pakistan economically and has superior industrial capacity their military is still suffering from poor equipment and have even failed to design a working assault rifle to replace the Ak-47.
Also more troops means more strain on logistics and the corruption and inefficiency of the Indian military will hit hard on the war efforts

 

[Maarkhoor]

The incompetence of the IAF would then be legendary.

That is written everywhere.