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@ Mzubair

Bhaijaan..yeh photo jo apne di he yeh srinigar city ki he..jammu ki nahi.

I dont need to prove where i am from..and i knew you would say that.

JKLF has no support in Jammu..but still they add J in their name.

The great freedom fighter Mehbooba Mufti was not allowed to land in Jammu by us.You dont know anything about Jammu and lh ladakh region and you type like you know everything.

Next what??...you will say even the Ladakhis are protesting??..they dont give a damn about anything regarding this.

I agree Indian politcially increased the number of Indians in Jammu but still its the disputed area. U cant make it a border or include without UN permissions :)
 
I agree Indian politcially increased the number of Indians in Jammu but still its the disputed area. U cant make it a border without UN permissions :)

Article 370 people....read....no outsider is allowed to settle in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.....since 1947.......Hindus and Sikhs have e been in Jammu for centuries....much before Pakistan was borne.

Ethnically, Jammu is largely Dogra, which group constitutes approximately 67% of the population. There is also a sizable population of Punjabi descent, most of them being Hindus and Sikhs.
Jammu is the only region in the state of Jammu and Kashmir that has a Hindu majority population - 65% of Jammu's population practices Hinduism, 30% practices Islam and most of the remainder are Sikhs
 
Article 370 people....read....no outside is allowed to settle in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.....since 1947.......Hindus and Sikhs have e been in Jammu for centuries....much before Pakistan was borne.

Ethnically, Jammu is largely Dogra, which group constitutes approximately 67% of the population. There is also a sizable population of Punjabi descent, most of them being Hindus and Sikhs.
Jammu is the only region in the state of Jammu and Kashmir that has a Hindu majority population - 65% of Jammu's population practices Hinduism, 30% practices Islam and most of the remainder are Sikhs

Wt ever nither its Indian state nor Pakistan....still disputed
 
No disputes ,actually its pretty simple where my army stands my territory and where your army stands yur territory

lolz zara border tu bana kay dekhow :D


Look what the NEW YORK TIMES sys about the cruelty of your army

Indian Army and Police Tied to Kashmir Killings


SRINAGAR, Kashmir, Feb. 3 — Amid a grove of poplar trees in a village just north of here, a grave was unearthed Thursday afternoon. Out came the body of a man, shot dead nearly two months ago, whom the Indian police described at the time as an anti-Indian militant from Pakistan.

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The New York Times
The police are examining five bodies buried near Sumbal.
An elderly man, who had been searching for his missing son for nearly two months, was summoned for the exhumation. He stared at the horror dug out of the ground and told the police what he had refused to believe all this time. “He is my son,” he said. Then he sat on the bare ground and shook.

As it turned out, the dead man, Abdul Rehman Paddar, was not a Pakistani at all, nor a militant. He was a Kashmiri carpenter from a village south of here. The Indian police are now investigating whether he was killed by some of their own men, for motives that could range from personal revenge to greed. A suspected militant’s body, after all, comes with a handsome cash reward. By Saturday, four police officers were under arrest in connection with Mr. Paddar’s killing.

S. M. Sahai, the chief of police for Kashmir, said his investigators were looking into whether at least two other bodies were part of the same ring; setups like the killing of Mr. Paddar are known here as “encounter killings.” Each of the victims had been killed in operations conducted jointly by the police and either an Indian Army unit or a paramilitary force that operates under army command, he said.

By the end of the day on Saturday, as the investigation snowballed, a total of five bodies had been exhumed, all in the area surrounding Sumbal, and their identities were being checked.

The exhumations have not only unearthed a deep well of resentment among the people of Indian-administered Kashmir, but have also forced the Indian government to face anew long-simmering charges of abuse by Indian soldiers and the police.

Kashmiris have long accused the Indian authorities of disappearances and extrajudicial killings; one local human rights group estimates that 10,000 people have disappeared since the anti-Indian insurgency began here in 1989. Nor have civilians been immune to the savagery of militants; beheadings are among their favored tactics.

India blames its rival and neighbor, Pakistan, for aiding and arming the insurgents. Pakistan denies the charge, and does not recognize India’s claim to Kashmir. Claimed by both countries, Kashmir has been a center of strife for nearly 60 years.

While the violence has calmed considerably since a 2004 peace deal between India and Pakistan, it has hardly ended the bloodshed or diminished the presence of Indian troops here. India says troop reduction can begin only when the militants lay down their weapons.

Those troops have been blamed repeatedly for human rights abuses here, most recently by a 156-page report released last October by Human Rights Watch, which detailed dozens of cases in which, it said, the state had failed to hold its security forces accountable for suspected abductions, killings and detentions.

Among the most infamous of those cases were the March 2000 killings in the southern village of Pathirabal of five men, whom the army identified as foreign terrorists responsible for a massacre of Sikh civilians. The men, whose bodies had been burned and badly mutilated, turned out to be civilians abducted by the army, according to relatives and a subsequent federal investigation.

In a rare instance of prosecution, five Indian soldiers were charged with the killings, but the case remains stuck in the courts nearly seven years later, and the accused remain on the job. The army insists that they be tried by an internal court martial, and not a civilian court.

Human Rights Watch blamed the Indian government for what it called its “lack of commitment” to accountability and a series of Indian laws that shield soldiers in conflict zones like Kashmir. “This has led to a serious climate of impunity,” the report concluded.

Indian officials have explicitly sought to use the latest cases of encounter killings to rebut accusations of impunity, pointing out that they have taken the lead in investigating army and police officials linked to what they call isolated abuses of power.

“This is an aberration,” Mr. Sahai, the police chief, said in an interview in his office here in the summer capital of Indian-run Kashmir. “This is not the rule. We have not tried to suppress anything. Whatever are the facts of the case have come out in the open. If we are trying to set our house in order, that should increase public confidence.”
 
lolz zara border tu bana kay dekhow :D


Look what the NEW YORK TIMES sys about the cruelty of your army

Indian Army and Police Tied to Kashmir Killings

Probably you right probably your wrong ,but even if its right is there anything yu can do about it,Isnt it time yu people decide to settle your nations internal issues and start progressing.
 
I agree Indian politcially increased the number of Indians in Jammu but still its the disputed area. U cant make it a border or include without UN permissions :)

Bhaijaan..me apko samjhata hu..concentration se padhna..problem samaj aa jayegi.


Before 1947..J&K was ruled by a Dogra Hindu ruler.Dogra are the people who live in Jammu and Himachal.His army in the past had captured Kashmir and Leh Ladakh region.

After the creation of Pakistan and independence of India..he decided to have his own country called J&K but the Pakistanis attacked and our army(J&K) was not strong enough to defende itself.

This is where he called New Delhi and asked for help.But the Indians said we would only help if you decide to become a part of the country.

The ruler readily agreed and this is how we became Indians.Our ruler is now a politician in New Delhi and i feel very proud of the decision he took to become a part of India and so do other Jammuites and Ladakhis...Kashmiris have some issues but lets hope it would be solved.

No point in giving freedom or giiving it to Pakistan coz the majority wants to be with India..including those Kashmiri pandits who support India and were throw out of their house using pure violent methods...and the kashmiris have taken over their properties like it always belonged to them.
 
@ mzubair
chalo bhai apse dar ke nahi banayenge border.....bas ab to khush..............lekin kasmir to apko nahi milega...jitna bhi papad bel le :)
and i dont see pakistan strong enough to take it militarily...using other options will be futile..
 
lolz zara border tu bana kay dekhow :D

Zubair for all intents and purposes the LOC is the border and has been for quite some time now.

And from what I have seen first hand on the front, its a physical border, which is only going to get more physical with each passing day. Not less.

The "disputed" status does not change the fact that none of you can come across and vice versa.

So if you want to play name games and call it something else, be our guest.

As long as you do it from your side.:cheers:

For now ....

Cheers, Doc
 
Probably you right probably your wrong ,but even if its right is there anything yu can do about it,Isnt it time yu people decide to settle your nations internal issues and start progressing.

I agree..........We are resolving our internal issues and progressing as well but w cant neglect J&K :cheers:
 
I agree..........We are resolving our internal issues and progressing as well but w cant neglect J&K :cheers:

Why do you worry so much about Indian Kashmir.Its a territory you guys never even had in the first place.Just accept LOC as border and move on
If India and China can do it about Tibet and Taiwan then why not you guys
 
Why do you worry so much about Indian Kashmir.Its a territory you guys never even had in the first place.Just accept LOC as border and move on
If India and China can do it about Tibet and Taiwan then why not you guys

J&K is the part of Pakistan ....Jo kaarna hai kar low :)

Pakistan Flag in Kashmir

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The American President’s Special Envoy on Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, has said that the USA has decided on a roadmap to solving the Kashmir dispute between the two South Asian neighbours, and this will be presented to the two countries soon. Ambassador Holbrooke, in an interview to a US magazine, also disclosed that he would visit both countries soon in order to get the stalled composite dialogue process started once again. Ambassador Holbrooke was also quick to say that the USA recognised that both countries did not want outside interference, but since they were both nuclear-armed, the USA was working behind the scenes to make sure they resolved their disputes peaceably.

While there must be significance attached to Ambassador Holbrooke’s desire to assuage Indian sensibilities, he is merely reflecting President Barack Obama’s campaign rhetoric, which did not see peace coming to the subcontinent until the Kashmir issue, which is the core bilateral dispute, was resolved. However, the USA does not have a track record of successful resolutions of disputes, especially if they involve Muslims, Palestine being a case in point. The USA needs a resolution to avoid nuclear war for the country it hopes will be a counterweight to China in future, and the one it needs to carry on its ill-fated War on Terror. For the time, because of its goals in the region, it will try to work for a solution that suits India.

However, the USA and the rest of the international community should recognize that India only holds on to a part of Kashmir through a forced occupation that involves a million troops, and that the only just and lasting solution is the holding of a plebiscite to determine the will of the Kashmiri people, as laid down in the UN resolutions on the subject. Ambassador Holbrooke has merely shown himself as willing to serve the Indian agenda, not just in Afghanistan, but also Kashmir.– The Nation

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If India and China can do it about Tibet and Taiwan then why not you guys

Because .....

How else are they going to pacify the masses living without food, water, and electricity ..... in between bomb blasts?

How else is the army/politician nexus going to explain its position of importance in keeping the "Hindu hordes" out and the ultimate emancipation of their "oppressed Muslim brethren"?

How else are they going to explain away and give a moralistic front to the wholescale terrorist fingering they indulge in all across India?

How else are they going to extract vengeance for 1971?

How else are they going to prop up the now terminally failing edifice of the Two Nation Theory to which they owe their existence?

How else would they beat India on a global forum with their self proclaimed stick of "human rights violations in Kashmir" everytime the world's gaze turned on them for yet another Pakistani originated terrorist strike somewhere in the world?

I could go on, but I guess you got the point.

Cheers, Doc
 

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