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Indian Army violated the India-China protocol and lied to Indian Gov.

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Not sure if this was posted already, if so, mods, please merge or move this post.

When I replied to this matter a month ago, I mentioned that India was the trouble maker in this border conflict, but some Indian forum member denied that, as the majority of the Indian members were furious about the Chinese "intrusion" at that moment. Now that the Indian government has confirmed that the Chinese army only responded after the Indian army violated the protocol (and to make situation worse, they lied about their violation to GOI), I am wondering what people think on this matter.

dna Special: Government calls bluff on army's Ladakh manoeuvres
Thursday, May 9, 2013, 10:30 IST | Place: New Delhi | Agency: DNA
Manan Kumar

National security establishment sees red as troops built bunkers, started aggressive border patrolling in Chumar sector but gave inaccurate details of manoeuvres.


The border face-off between India and China seems to have cooled for now but there is considerable anger within the government against the army for giving inaccurate details regarding Chumar sector in Ladakh.

The army had built bunkers and started undertaking aggressive border patrolling in Chumar in early April, according to highly placed sources. This had prompted China to play it off in Daulat Beg Oldi sector in the north of Chumar by undertaking a 19 kilometers incursion inside the Indian territory and pitching tents in Rakinala.

Top sources revealed that the high-level China Study Group (CSG) — consisting of national security advisor Shiv Shankar Menon, cabinet secretary Ajit Seth, defence secretary Shashikant Sharma, home secretary RK Singh and top heads of the central security agencies — took a very dim view of the army giving an inaccurate picture of its manoeuvres in Chumar.

When the CSG sat down to take stock of the Chinese incursion on April 15, the army had apparently said that it had only set up some makeshift shelters in Chumar sector to take care of its troops in times of need.

Within the next couple of days, the CSG gathered evidence about the army’s actual position from independent sources and confirmed it with the agencies. The information proved that the army had given inaccurate information and was building bunkers that were not in line with the 2005 Border Patrol protocol signed by the two countries. On being asked by dna, the army denied having undertaken construction of any bunkers or intensifying patrolling in Chumar sector.

The episode has prompted the CSG to take a strong view of maintaining the independence of the ITBP and not to handover its operational control to the army.

Sources said that the army had undertaken construction of seven bunkers of which one had already been built and earthwork of four others had finished when China flexed its muscles in Daulat Beg Oldi sector. This sector is strategically important from Indian perspective as it overlooks the Karakoram highway.

By positioning themselves in Rakinala, the Chinese prevented Indian forces from patrolling to at least for patrol points along the Line of Actual Control, just as Indian manoeuvre in Chumar had prevented the Chinese from entering into disputed areas of Eastern Ladakh, which it considers its own.

Sources told dna that when the CSG discussed Chinese incursion in Daulat Beg Oldi Sector on April 15, it asked the army to suspend the visit of its delegation to China to finalise the proposed joint counter terrorism exercise in October later this year.

However, top officials of the army later met the NSA and surprisingly the decision was overturned and the delegation went ahead with its visit to China on April 18.

The unsavoury face-off between the two countries has prompted India to re-look at China’s offer to rework the 2005 border protocol and may seek to redraft in the near future.

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If this is indeed true, then we need to be more aggressive and win the war of Aksai Chin. Even as mostly we are peace loving, we may have to collaborate with some other countries and just wait it out on this one for the opportune moment to break away Tibet and reclaim our lands.

When it comes to short and decisive wars, against a foe like China we need to ensure the better equipment is on our side for which we must milk US and Japan - the two powerhouses on this planet.
 
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Why I am not surprised the Indian army lied. And this was not the first time.

Not wonder the Malaysians considered the Indians untrustworthy.

Lying seems to be their second nature.

OH...

You know how many times Pakistan has been lied to by the Indians?

They are not trustworthy people at all.


Instead of reaching out to them like the Chinese are trying to do in futility, we Pakistanis know the only way is to rid our region of this menace is through war.

Indian media and their army even lies to their general public, that's what you see so many brainless Indians on the forum spewing the same propaganda their media tells them. They take it as the word of God.
 
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First it was blatant denial by some Indian who had thought India could not act so nasty; I still respect that since it was purely out of patriotism. Now you burst into narcissistic rage after learning about evidences from the Indian government, and that is simply despicable. But it is not a big deal since you most likely are just a troll and false flagger.

If this is indeed true, then we need to be more aggressive and win the war of Aksai Chin. Even as mostly we are peace loving, we may have to collaborate with some other countries and just wait it out on this one for the opportune moment to break away Tibet and reclaim our lands.

When it comes to short and decisive wars, against a foe like China we need to ensure the better equipment is on our side for which we must milk US and Japan - the two powerhouses on this planet.
 
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One thing I notice about India as a country.

If you are "nice" to them, they think you are in a lower position and they turn up their nose.
If you are "terrible" to them, they behave like victim.

If you are weak, not only they will not give an inch, they will take whatever they could from you.
Just ask Nepal.

Nepal now is turning to China for help.
 
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the difference isnt as big as people here say
Global Firepower Military Ranks - 2013

This blog site is the best you could do? :no:

Just compare actual numbers and platforms, and the statements from the Indian Army itself.

I guess the Indian Army is perfectly qualified to speak on their own behalf, and they have done so often.
 
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One thing I notice about India as a country.

If you are "nice" to them, they think you are in a lower position and they turn up their nose.
If you are "terrible" to them, they behave like victim.

If you are weak, not only they will not give an inch, they will take whatever they could from you.
Just ask Nepal.

Nepal now is turning to China for help.

since your are a pakistani, your opinion of india is inaccurate and irrelevant
 
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India is hegemonic whereas China is a peaceful neighbor.

Don't believe me?

Ask all the countries in South Asia.

Pakistan and China are friends, because instead of trying to force us, China has always engaged us in discussion.

Where as India only goes to war and try to bully smaller neighbors.
 
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This blog site is the best you could do? :no:

Just compare actual numbers and platforms, and the statements from the Indian Army itself.

this 'blog site' compares almost every factor required for conventional warfare. in fact what it does not take into account is favored towards india.

one indian admiral says that china is going to have a much large navy and we are doomed. another says if china tries anything in SCS we will sink them. subjective sources with different perceptions.

India is hegemonic whereas China is a peaceful neighbor.

Don't believe me?

Ask all the countries in South Asia.

Pakistan and China are friends, because instead of trying to force us, China has always engaged us in discussion.

Where as India only goes to war and try to bully smaller neighbors.

most pakistanis think that india treats all the neighbours the same way it treats pak.

If you remove your anti india contacts you will notice that india has invested BILLIONS in each of its neighbours. maybe pak will get it too if it gets its head out of its a$$
 
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