Indian Army shot Pakistani officers, after calling flag meeting

[FullMetalJacket]

and when did PAK asked for ur protection, oh well no one can stop people from having wet dreams.. pretty amusing i must say...lol

Seems like you need all the help and protection you can get. You people sure as hell didn't stop all the latest attacks.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Indian media is busy reporting in Gazwa-e Hind on new years lol

 

[Devil Soul]

Seems like you need all the help and protection you can get. You people sure as hell didn't stop all the latest attacks.

I must congrat u on stopping bodos @ Assam attack few days back,

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Then it certainly is a surprise on why she would leave out such a major angle (assuming its true). The fact she does not bring up such a hot and current issue in the briefing where she chose to talk about years old Samjhota blast issue. Seems to me that the Chenab rangers spokesperson bent the truth somewhat and MoFA is trying to downplay that.

I don't see that at all - the language of the FO is consistent with the account provided by the Chenab Rangers. For the FO to demand that 'India investigate the incident and bring the perpetrators to justice' clearly indicates that the BSF engaged in activities beyond the usual ceasefire violations that occur periodically.

What is funny is how tribune blatantly misquoted FO spokesperson in quotes... That is if the rush transcript hasnt left it out.

Until the FO denies the Tribune story and issues a statement saying the the spokesperson was misquoted, there is no reason to suspect any wrongdoing/error on the part of the Tribune.

Dont think so.... She was probably referring to the Indian continued firing which prevented the evacuation of the injured soldiers which then lead to their deaths. If indeed there was a flag meeting ambush, she would have called it out clearly and not missed an opportunity to embarrass India

Even if there was no reference to the white flag meeting and ambush (and we have to wait for the FO to clarify whether the spokesperson was misquoted), the demands for an investigation and punishment of the perpetrators PLUS the comments regarding the violation of international norms and bilateral agreements still support the Chenab Rangers position.

Pak doesn't seem to learn any lesson: Manohar Parrikar

I'm X-posting my comment from another thread:

The lessons to be 'learned' here by the Pakistani side are that:

1. The BSF will act in a completely cowardly manner and against international norms of armed conflict and engagement by calling 'Flag Meetings' and then ambushing the opposing side's soldiers deputed for said flag meeting.

Pakistan claims that the latest round of incidents began when Indian border guards killed two Chenab Rangers’ personnel in Shakargarh sector on Wednesday after calling them for a flag meeting on the Working Boundary.

Naik Riaz Shakir and Lance Naik Mohammad Safdar, who were deputed for the meeting sought by the BSF, died amid a hail of bullets, the Chenab Rangers said.

The Foreign Office summoned the Indian deputy high commissioner to lodge a protest over the incident.

A demarche given to the Indian diplomat asked New Delhi “to investigate the incident, bring the perpetrators to justice and ensure maintenance of peace and tranquility along the Line of Control and the Working Boundary”.

According to Chenab Rangers, the BSF firing on Wednesday morning was unprovoked. Flag meetings are routinely held by troops to settle local matters between the two sides.
Exchange of fire along Indo-Pak working boundary, five killed - Pakistan - DAWN.COM

2. The BSF has openly admitted its desire to commit 'War Crimes' given its recent statement that:

""If Pakistan rangers fire on us, we will also fire on them. If they suffer collateral damages (in our action), they (Pakistan) should be ready for that," Inspector General (IG) of BSF, Jammu Frontier, Rakesh Sharma told reporters here today. "
Pak should be ready for collateral damages if they fire: BSF - The Times of India

Whether Pakistan fires first or not, threatening the other side with 'collateral damage' indicates an intent to knowingly target non-military assets (civilians/non-combatants) which would be considered a War Crime under international law.

The BSF has, in both of the above instances, openly declared a complete lack of respect for the international law of armed conflict, not really surprising I suppose, given the Indian Government's decades long policy of violating her international commitment to implement the UN Resolutions on Kashmir, commitments that India in fact further ratified under the Simla Agreement (see first para of agreement reiterating commitment of both India and Pakistan to the UN Charter, under which the UNSC Resolutions fall).

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just love the cartoon media and politician in India , with dramatic video , Pakistani soldiers opened fire in new years celebration and then showing the defence minister talking some dialogs lol

 

[OTTOMAN]

Any statement from Pakistani politicians? and if not, than.. any courting from opposition?

 

[Daedalus]

Delete the thread if you can. Else try to delete your first post.

Mods have hi-jacked my thread, am not able to edit it in any way.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Mods have hi-jacked my thread, am not able to edit it in any way.

Interesting.

 

[Jf Thunder]

likewise

invalid

 

[karan.1970]

I don't see that at all - the language of the FO is consistent with the account provided by the Chenab Rangers. For the FO to demand that 'India investigate the incident and bring the perpetrators to justice' clearly indicates that the BSF engaged in activities beyond the usual ceasefire violations that occur periodically.

No it is not. Unless she calls out the flag meeting ambush, there is no reason to read anything into it except the standard demand put in with a purpose of accusing India for starting the skirmish and not allowing the injured to be evacuated during the firing. Chenab rangers and FO were not on the same page at all. You can read into that statement basis your desire to read something into it, but she clearly avoided any mention of a flag meeting.

Until the FO denies the Tribune story and issues a statement saying the the spokesperson was misquoted, there is no reason to suspect any wrongdoing/error on the part of the Tribune.

Thats a weird line of reasoning. The transcript of the statement is public information published in MoFA site which clearly shows Tribune misquoting your spokesman. The burden of denial is not on MoFA at all. Tribune's story is not matching with official Pakistani govt's version. Now if you want to give more credibility to tribune than the official statements of Pakistan govt, that's your prerogative.

Even if there was no reference to the white flag meeting and ambush (and we have to wait for the FO to clarify whether the spokesperson was misquoted),

No we dont. Since official govt papers say otherwise. Unless MoFA changes the transcript and admits there was an error in the previous transcript, its a fake news by Tribune. Surprisingly there was not a single question about this from the assembled media apart from one about ceasefire violations.

the demands for an investigation and punishment of the perpetrators PLUS the comments regarding the violation of international norms and bilateral agreements still support the Chenab Rangers position.

No they don't. Demand for investigation is for ceasefire violations as per the transcript and nothing else. Unless MoFA amends the transcript, linking those words with what Chenab rangers said is simply fanciful kite flying.

2. The BSF has openly admitted its desire to commit 'War Crimes' given its recent statement that:

""If Pakistan rangers fire on us, we will also fire on them. If they suffer collateral damages (in our action), they (Pakistan) should be ready for that," Inspector General (IG) of BSF, Jammu Frontier, Rakesh Sharma told reporters here today. "
Pak should be ready for collateral damages if they fire: BSF - The Times of India

Whether Pakistan fires first or not, threatening the other side with 'collateral damage' indicates an intent to knowingly target non-military assets (civilians/non-combatants) which would be considered a War Crime under international law.

By your logic, Here's Pakistani COAS openly asking his troops to commit war crimes but keeping them at a low scale

https://www.ispr.gov.pk/front/main.asp?o=t-press_release&date=2009/5/13

Here's another COAS apologizing for war crimes

COAS Apologizes for Tirah Valley Collateral Damage | Page 2

The BSF has, in both of the above instances, openly declared a complete lack of respect for the international law of armed conflict, not really surprising I suppose, given the Indian Government's decades long policy of violating her international commitment to implement the UN Resolutions on Kashmir, commitments that India in fact further ratified under the Simla Agreement (see first para of agreement reiterating commitment of both India and Pakistan to the UN Charter, under which the UNSC Resolutions fall).

Wrong again. The Simla agreement ratifying the charter solidifies the non binding nature of the Kashmir resolution. and after not following the binding resolution(both on financial transactions and his ability to frrely travel within Pakistan) on Hafiz Saeed & JuD by the same UNSC, Pakistan has no standing to demand any thing from India regarding any resolution.

invalid

Fail

and when did PAK asked for ur protection, oh well no one can stop people from having wet dreams.. pretty amusing i must say...lol

Well, looks like you believe (some would say rightfully so) that Pakistan is not part of the whole mankind

But applies every time to India.

43 years.. Still not cold enough for you ?

 

[Jf Thunder]

Fail

still invalid

 

[Zarvan]

Modi is gauging our reaction, he must be shown whats in store.

He would be shown. He and Indian Army needs to prepare woods to be ready to burn several of there soldiers.

 

[Devil Soul]

Well, looks like you believe (some would say rightfully so) that Pakistan is not part of the whole mankind

Dil kay behlanay ko ghalib yeah khayal accha hai....

 

[ares]

BBC News - Kashmir: Five troops killed in India, Pakistan clashes

Kashmir: Five troops killed in India, Pakistan clashes

India and Pakistan agreed a ceasefire in 2003, but it is often violated
Continue reading the main story
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Indian forces in Kashmir have killed four Pakistani troops on the border ending a year in which hostilities between the neighbours have escalated.

Firing took place on the international border between Samba sector and Pakistan after an Indian soldier was killed in an attack blamed on Pakistan.

A ceasefire agreed in 2003 remains in place, but it is often violated.

In October, 16 people - nine Pakistanis and seven Indians - died when the two sides exchanged fire for several days.

"We have retaliated effectively... four Pakistani rangers have been killed along the international border in Samba sector [in Jammu region]," Reuters quoted BSF [Border Security Force] inspector general for Jammu region Rakesh Sharma as saying.

"As Pakistani rangers suffered casualties, they waved white flags, asking BSF to stop the firing so that they can lift the bodies of the dead men. We stopped the firing after their request," Mr Sharma added.

Pakistan said it had lodged a protest with the Indian high commissioner in Islamabad.

"The Indian deputy high commissioner was summoned to the ministry of foreign affairs to lodge a strong protest on the unprovoked firing," a Pakistani foreign office statement said.

On Thursday morning, India said Pakistani forces had fired at several Indian posts late in the night along the border.

Correspondents say 2014 saw an escalation in hostilities between the neighbours with some of the worst violence in a decade. Both sides have accused each other of starting hostilities.

Earlier in the summer, India's new Prime Minister Narendra Modi invited his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif to his inauguration and there were hopes that relations between Delhi and Islamabad would improve.

But ties have deteriorated since then with India cancelling scheduled talks with Pakistan in August and insisting that Delhi would "not tolerate acts of border violations by Pakistan" and that "ceasefire violations must stop".

Kashmir, claimed by both countries in its entirety, has been a flashpoint for more than 60 years and the South Asian rivals have fought two wars over the region.

 

[Zarvan]

BBC News - Kashmir: Five troops killed in India, Pakistan clashes

Kashmir: Five troops killed in India, Pakistan clashes

India and Pakistan agreed a ceasefire in 2003, but it is often violated
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories

• In pictures: Life on line of control
• Why Kashmir is restive again
• Q&A: Kashmir dispute

Indian forces in Kashmir have killed four Pakistani troops on the border ending a year in which hostilities between the neighbours have escalated.

Firing took place on the international border between Samba sector and Pakistan after an Indian soldier was killed in an attack blamed on Pakistan.

A ceasefire agreed in 2003 remains in place, but it is often violated.

In October, 16 people - nine Pakistanis and seven Indians - died when the two sides exchanged fire for several days.

"We have retaliated effectively... four Pakistani rangers have been killed along the international border in Samba sector [in Jammu region]," Reuters quoted BSF [Border Security Force] inspector general for Jammu region Rakesh Sharma as saying.

"As Pakistani rangers suffered casualties, they waved white flags, asking BSF to stop the firing so that they can lift the bodies of the dead men. We stopped the firing after their request," Mr Sharma added.

Pakistan said it had lodged a protest with the Indian high commissioner in Islamabad.

"The Indian deputy high commissioner was summoned to the ministry of foreign affairs to lodge a strong protest on the unprovoked firing," a Pakistani foreign office statement said.

On Thursday morning, India said Pakistani forces had fired at several Indian posts late in the night along the border.

Correspondents say 2014 saw an escalation in hostilities between the neighbours with some of the worst violence in a decade. Both sides have accused each other of starting hostilities.

Earlier in the summer, India's new Prime Minister Narendra Modi invited his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif to his inauguration and there were hopes that relations between Delhi and Islamabad would improve.

But ties have deteriorated since then with India cancelling scheduled talks with Pakistan in August and insisting that Delhi would "not tolerate acts of border violations by Pakistan" and that "ceasefire violations must stop".

Kashmir, claimed by both countries in its entirety, has been a flashpoint for more than 60 years and the South Asian rivals have fought two wars over the region.

Only two Pakistani soldiers have died who are buried with full military honors