Indian Army ORBAT Against Pakistan-Visualised

[PanzerKiel]

I really take the point made by the person nudging us to wake up and read that more such should be printed and read, before we open our mouths on any military subject.

Exactly dear. Obviously, reading through whatever is available even on internet would allow the members here to discuss such matters in a much better manner, keeping more of the ground realities in view, instead of just playing a numbers game which gives all such discussions an artificial color.

 

[khansaheeb]

In this era of the asymmetric warfare via technology how will this WW2 style mindset prevail? It's now an war by, of and for the engineers....

and computer scientists.

 

[Joe Shearer]

They should be open for everyone to read and rate but should be selective only to member s to post by invitation.

Aapka muh mein ghee shakkar.

 

[Ghost 125]

In this thread I have tried to not only summarize but also visualize Indian army's deployment especially along the Paksitani front.
(Hopefully this thread will help us to not only have an accurate force comparison and but also to run exercises with relative realism and professionally)



Western Command:

II Corps - Ambala
1 Armd Div- Patiala
9 Inf Div- Meerut
22 Inf Div- Meerut
40 Arty Div - Ambala
16 (I) Armd bde- Mamun


IX Corps - Yol
26 Inf Div - Jammu
29 Inf Div -Pathankot
2 (I) Armd bde- Mamun
3 (I) Armd bde- Ratnuchak


XI Corps - Jalandhar
7 Inf Div- Firozpur
15 Inf Div- Amritsar
23 (I) Armd bde - Amritsar
55 (I) Mech bde- Beas


View attachment 827931
(Deployment of Indian Army's Western command)

Southwestern Command:

I Strike Corps - Mathura
33 Armoured Division -Hisar
4 RAPID- Allahabad
42 Arty Div- Alwar
14 (I) Armd bde- Bathinda

X Corps - Bhatinda
16 Infantry Division - Sriganganagar
18 RAPID -Kota
24 RAPID - Bikaner
6 (I) Armoured Brigade - Suratgarh


Southern Command:

XXI Corps - Bhopal
31 Armoured Division- Jhansi
36 RAPID - Sagar
54 Infantry Division Secunderabad
41 Artillery Division- Pune

XII Corps - Jodhpur
11 Infantry Division - Ahmedabad
75 (I) Infantry Brigade- Bhuj
12 RAPID - Jodhpur
4 (I) Armoured Brigade - Bathinda


View attachment 827932
(Deployment of Indian Army's South-Western and Southern commands)

Northern Command:

XIV Corps - Leh
3 Inf Div - Leh
8 MD- Dras
121 (I) Inf bde- Kargil
102 (I) Inf bde - Partapur
118 (I) Inf bde- Nyoma
254 (I) Armd bde- Leh

XV Corps - Srinagar:
19 Inf Div- Baramulla
28 Inf Div-Gurez

XVI Corps - Nagrota
10 RAPID- Akhnoor
25 Inf Div- Rajauri
39 Inf Div- Yol

View attachment 827938
(Indian Army Northern command deployment. The formations marked in orange are of Western command)

Took me a whole day but was worth it.
Any amendment would be welcome.

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I would also request the mods to make this a sticky thread so it can be utilised by all in the future. (@The Eagle )

121 is not independent brigade, it is part of 8 mountain division

 

[Ghost 125]

What is the size of 10th RAPID and how many armor/mech infantry units are under its command ?

Size of 8th Mountain Division is conflicting. There seem to 4+ Brigades under it.
a. 59 Mountain Brigade
b. 81 Mountain Brigade
c. 56 Mountain Brigade
d. 192 Mountain Brigade
e. 8 Mountain Artillery Brigade

These 2 brigades fall under which IA division?
a. 303 Mountain Brigade
b. 79 Mountain Brigade


Where will 50 Para (I) Brigade be deployed in case of war ?

only 121, 56 and 192 in 8

 

[Signalian]

Aapka muh mein ghee shakkar.

That’s old school ! U can get innovative.

Ghee ? Ur making a curry in his mouth
Shakar ? As in jaggery, this isn’t 12th century.

What do you really get when you mix ghee with shakar.

How about chocolate with caramel coating and topping melting strawberry chunks with a layering of cream.

Or keep it simple like in army. Gulab jaman will do.

Exactly dear. Obviously, reading through whatever is available even on internet would allow the members here to discuss such matters in a much better manner, keeping more of the ground realities in view, instead of just playing a numbers game which gives all such discussions an artificial color.

To everyone !

Get the hint ?

That’s how fauji presentations are made

 

[Joe Shearer]

That’s old school ! U can get innovative.

Ghee ? Ur making a curry in his mouth
Shakar ? As in jaggery, this isn’t 12th century.

What do you really get when you mix ghee with shakar.

How about chocolate with caramel coating and topping melting strawberry chunks with a layering of cream.

Or keep it simple like in army. Gulab jaman will do.

Simple? Got it. The man wants simple. A simple choice of sweets from a simple Bangali.

PS: What's a Gulab Jamun? Is it that thing north Indians and Pakistanis make, something like a taste-free Pantua or a Ledikeni?
There are some Kalo Jams here, bottom right.

To everyone !

Get the hint ?

That’s how fauji presentations are made

 

[Joe Shearer]

https://carnegieendowment.org/files/Tarapore_Ground_Forces_in_Indian_Military.pdf

This is a paper that everyone is likely to have read - correction: everyone that reads is likely to have read.

It argues that the Indian Army needs to stop thinking about fighting wars that punish the opponent - the orthodox offensive doctrines - and to move away from that paradigm to other, different paradigms. The orthodox offensive doctrine, in a nutshell, is designed to overwhelm the enemy troops in battle, and occupy a tract of enemy land, that can be used in the treaty to follow to extract concessions and agreements compensating for the original provocation.

The recommendations are a joy to read.

 

[Raja Porus]

PAKSITAN ARMY ORBAT:

Central Command(Mangla):

30 Corps(Gujranwala):
8 Inf Div- Sialkot
15 Inf Div- Sialkot
54(I) inf bde- Sialkot
19 IABG - Gujranwala
30(I) inf bde- Lahore

1 Strike Corps (Mangla):
6 Armd Div - Gujranwala
17 Inf Div - Kharian
19 Inf Div- Mangla
37 Inf Div - Kharian
8 IABG - Jallapur Jattan

4 Corps (Lahore):
10 Inf Div - Lahore
11 Inf Div - Lahore
212(I) inf bde - Chunian
3 IABG - Chunian

2 Arty Div - Gujranwala
3 Air Defence Div- Sargodha

( Formations marked in Black belong to I Corps.Those in yellow are of 30 Corps. The ones in Blue are of 4 corps)

Southern Command (Quetta):

XXI Corps (Bahawalpur):
14 Inf div- Okara
26 Mech div (10, 14, 44 IABGs)- Bahawalpur
35 Inf div- Bahawalpur
101(I) inf bde

II Strike Corps (Multan):
1st Armd div- Multan
40 Inf div - Okara
42 IABG- Multan

V Corps (Karachi):
16 Inf bde- Pano Aqil
21 Arty Div- Pano Aqil
18 Inf Div- Hyderabad
25 Mech div(2, 12, 330 IABGs, 30 IMBG)- Malir, Karachi
One bde plus of 16ID- Rahim yar khan

XII Corps (Quetta):
33 Inf div- Quetta
41 Inf Div- Quetta
44 Light Inf Div(CPEC Duties)- Gawadar

- 4 Air Defence Div(Karachi)

(Marked in White are formations of 31 Corps. In Yellow are those of 2 corps. In Blue are 5 Corps formations and in Green are of 12 Corps)

Northern Command(Rawalpindi):

X Corps (Rawalpindi):
23 Inf Div - Jhelum
12 Inf div (Oversized having 6×bdes) - Murree
FCNA - Gilgit
34 Light Inf Div- Chilas
1×bde equivalent Gilgit Scouts.

(Marked in Black are 10 Corps formations while in Blue are of 11 corps)

(However won't the deployment of X corps be better visualised of we break it down to Bdes just like we've done with Indian? @siganalian )

There are MANY more IABGs/IMBGs especially with Southern command. I strongly believe that there are IABGs in Umerkot, Mailsi, Fort Abbas areas)

@Joe Shearer

 

[Samurai_assassin]

So if Narinder Modi decided to attack Pakistan are Indians to believe they will somehow capture and occupy parts of Pakistan without any retaliation?

 

[farooqbhai007]

PAKSITAN ARMY ORBAT:

Central Command(Mangla):

30 Corps(Gujranwala):
8 Inf Div- Sialkot
15 Inf Div- Sialkot
54(I) inf bde- Sialkot
19 IABG - Gujranwala
30(I) inf bde- Lahore

1 Strike Corps (Mangla):
6 Armd Div - Gujranwala
17 Inf Div - Kharian
19 Inf Div- Mangla
37 Inf Div - Kharian
8 IABG - Jallapur Jattan

4 Corps (Lahore):
10 Inf Div - Lahore
11 Inf Div - Lahore
212(I) inf bde - Chunian
3 IABG - Chunian

2 Arty Div - Gujranwala
3 Air Defence Div- Sargodha
View attachment 828855
( Formations marked in Black belong to I Corps.Those in yellow are of 30 Corps. The ones in Blue are of 4 corps)

Southern Command (Quetta):

XXI Corps (Bahawalpur):
14 Inf div- Okara
26 Mech div (10, 14, 44 IABGs)- Bahawalpur
35 Inf div- Bahawalpur
101(I) inf bde

II Strike Corps (Multan):
1st Armd div- Multan
40 Inf div - Okara
42 IABG- Multan

V Corps (Karachi):
16 Inf bde- Pano Aqil
21 Arty Div- Pano Aqil
18 Inf Div- Hyderabad
25 Mech div(2, 12, 330 IABGs, 30 IMBG)- Malir, Karachi
One bde plus of 16ID- Rahim yar khan

XII Corps (Quetta):
33 Inf div- Quetta
41 Inf Div- Quetta
44 Light Inf Div(CPEC Duties)- Gawadar

- 4 Air Defence Div(Karachi)

View attachment 828856
(Marked in White are formations of 31 Corps. In Yellow are those of 2 corps. In Blue are 5 Corps formations and in Green are of 12 Corps)

Northern Command(Rawalpindi):

X Corps (Rawalpindi):
23 Inf Div - Jhelum
12 Inf div (Oversized having 6×bdes) - Murree
FCNA - Gilgit
34 Light Inf Div- Chilas
1×bde equivalent Gilgit Scouts.

View attachment 828857
(Marked in Black are 10 Corps formations while in Blue are of 11 corps)

(However won't the deployment of X corps be better visualised of we break it down to Bdes just like we've done with Indian? @siganalian )

There are MANY more IABGs/IMBGs especially with Southern command. I strongly believe that there are IABGs in Umerkot, Mailsi, Fort Abbas areas)

@Joe Shearer

A lot has changed including several major cantts not listed here but imma leave that to opsec.

 

[Raja Porus]

A lot has changed including several major cantts not listed here but imma leave that to opsec.

I know but I will only use what is on the internet...

 

[Khan vilatey]

Simple? Got it. The man wants simple. A simple choice of sweets from a simple Bangali.

View attachment 828784​

PS: What's a Gulab Jamun? Is it that thing north Indians and Pakistanis make, something like a taste-free Pantua or a Ledikeni?
There are some Kalo Jams here, bottom right.

Stop it @Joe Shearer I can’t look at excellent bong/bangali sweets this early in the morning!!! I must admit that the greatest loss of losing Bangladesh was the sweets and food. The mutka qurma with a sheermall and bangali sweets is one of my favorite meals

K

 

[Joe Shearer]

Stop it @Joe Shearer I can’t look at excellent bong/bangali sweets this early in the morning!!! I must admit that the greatest loss of losing Bangladesh was the sweets and food. The mutka qurma with a sheermall and bangali sweets is one of my favorite meals

K

PAKSITAN ARMY ORBAT:

Central Command(Mangla):

30 Corps(Gujranwala):
8 Inf Div- Sialkot
15 Inf Div- Sialkot
54(I) inf bde- Sialkot
19 IABG - Gujranwala
30(I) inf bde- Lahore

1 Strike Corps (Mangla):
6 Armd Div - Gujranwala
17 Inf Div - Kharian
19 Inf Div- Mangla
37 Inf Div - Kharian
8 IABG - Jallapur Jattan

4 Corps (Lahore):
10 Inf Div - Lahore
11 Inf Div - Lahore
212(I) inf bde - Chunian
3 IABG - Chunian

2 Arty Div - Gujranwala
3 Air Defence Div- Sargodha
View attachment 828855
( Formations marked in Black belong to I Corps.Those in yellow are of 30 Corps. The ones in Blue are of 4 corps)

Southern Command (Quetta):

XXI Corps (Bahawalpur):
14 Inf div- Okara
26 Mech div (10, 14, 44 IABGs)- Bahawalpur
35 Inf div- Bahawalpur
101(I) inf bde

II Strike Corps (Multan):
1st Armd div- Multan
40 Inf div - Okara
42 IABG- Multan

V Corps (Karachi):
16 Inf bde- Pano Aqil
21 Arty Div- Pano Aqil
18 Inf Div- Hyderabad
25 Mech div(2, 12, 330 IABGs, 30 IMBG)- Malir, Karachi
One bde plus of 16ID- Rahim yar khan

XII Corps (Quetta):
33 Inf div- Quetta
41 Inf Div- Quetta
44 Light Inf Div(CPEC Duties)- Gawadar

- 4 Air Defence Div(Karachi)

View attachment 828856
(Marked in White are formations of 31 Corps. In Yellow are those of 2 corps. In Blue are 5 Corps formations and in Green are of 12 Corps)

Northern Command(Rawalpindi):

X Corps (Rawalpindi):
23 Inf Div - Jhelum
12 Inf div (Oversized having 6×bdes) - Murree
FCNA - Gilgit
34 Light Inf Div- Chilas
1×bde equivalent Gilgit Scouts.

View attachment 828857
(Marked in Black are 10 Corps formations while in Blue are of 11 corps)

(However won't the deployment of X corps be better visualised of we break it down to Bdes just like we've done with Indian? @siganalian )

There are MANY more IABGs/IMBGs especially with Southern command. I strongly believe that there are IABGs in Umerkot, Mailsi, Fort Abbas areas)

@Joe Shearer

I'll try to do what you suggested. Let's see how it looks.

So if Narinder Modi decided to attack Pakistan are Indians to believe they will somehow capture and occupy parts of Pakistan without any retaliation?

রামাযান পড়ে সীতা কার বাপ !

...to read the Ramayan and ask whose father was Sita.

 

[Khan vilatey]

I'll try to do what you suggested. Let's see how it looks.


রামাযান পড়ে সীতা কার বাপ !

...to read the Ramayan and ask whose father was Sita.

I did not understand the refrence. I remember watching ramayan on dur Dar Shan ( we lived near the border and could get this in Lahore) as a kid but it spoke about Ram’s epic battle against the ravan to get his wife back with an army. Does it say who Sita’s father was in Ramayan ?

This is a learning opportunity for me.
K