Indian Army Continues to Use Civilians as Shield Along LOC

[Joe Shearer]

LOL, you're drunken ex-military as I predicted. In India, many years ago, I have hung out with BSF and IA officers and listened to their tall tales over the cheapest whisky. Was it Director's Special? I can't remember but it sure tasted like turpentine oil.

BKN. Black Knight.

I never touched it. The cheapest I have drunk is Johnny Walker Red. When I could no longer afford it, I stopped drinking whisky.

 

[Joe Shearer]

LOL, you're drunken ex-military as I predicted. In India, many years ago, I have hung out with BSF and IA officers and listened to their tall tales over the cheapest whisky. Was it Director's Special? I can't remember but it sure tasted like turpentine oil.

BKN. Black Knight.

I never touched it. The cheapest I have drunk is Johnny Walker Red. When I could no longer afford it, I stopped drinking whisky.

What @Joe Shearer @Shantanu_Left and probably many other Indians fail to comprehend is quite simply that ever since 1947, the persistent dehumanisation of (in no particular order) Pakistanis, muslims, mughals and Kashmiris by a significant subsection of the Indian population - which was ostensibly intended to psychologically facilitate any number of overt or clandestine struggles against these specific entities for Delhi's perceived gain - has backfired catastrophically.

It was NEVER done for Delhi's gain. Your foundation is flawed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

None of these entities has been silenced or crippled or defeated or removed from the pages of history, and they never can be. Psychological warfare and indoctrination of one's own people to "hate" one's perceived enemies is a methodology that is useful in any war but is emphasised particularly by fascist entities. 20th century history attests to this.

I can only smile at this tragic mis-reading of reality. It deserves nothing more.

 

[-=virus=-]

Let me remind you of the motto of the Keiths, Lords Marischal of Scotland

They say,
What say they?
Let them say.

The Indian Army has stood for a set of values. These have been compromised on occasion, but never by official direction, always - every time - due to the individual weaknesses of soldiers and junior officers concerned. There are less than a score of events that come under that heading.

Please do not smear that record by saying glib things like the phrase you used.

Fair enough.

There must be some kind of tactical reason for such clever arty placement then.

 

[Joe Shearer]

This imprinting on the collective consciousness of the Indian people results in the simplistic and crude "excusing" of or "apologism for" a blatant war crime because the victims of said war crime are perceived as "them", not "us". Even if the definition of Kashmiris is not absolutely "them", they are still "less us" than the Hindu population of Jammu for example.

There is no collective consciousness of the Indian people. That is the mistake of an utterly ignorant set of neighbours whose original sin is to think that we are the same undifferentiated mass as they are. Those Pakistanis who have actually walked our streets have been traumatised out of their fixations. Read Raza Rumi on Delhi (not my favourite city).

This is not surprising considering the seriously right-wing militarist anti-democratic slant of the members here. You represent Pakistan about as much as Swarajya magazine represents India.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I'm not saying it's a conscious choice in every case. I can't read minds. However, the net effect is the same whether a conscious choice or a subconscious reflex. Automatic defensiveness of what is quite simply a war crime on Muslims (this "defensiveness" arising because Pakistanis happen to be the accusers) can only be sustained within the collective psyche of Hindustan because of the subconscious dehumanisation of these various entities as described previously.

There is far too much pop psychology, and its toxic cousin, pop sociology, swirling around in here for a simple post to correct.

For those who have read my detailed description of how India came to occupy the position that she is in today, these glib conclusions will sound infantile.

For those who rage in bi-syllabic words about Indians being a different race from Pakistanis, about the virtues of the Indus culture, a continued culture for five thousand years or more, and in the same breath congratulate themselves on belonging to a larger brotherhood, for clever young gentlemen settled abroad, indulging themselves with every democratic safeguard, deploring the people and the culture that built those safeguards, and endorsing the primitive backward mores that they are inwardly thankful to have left, this is a brilliant exposition of the situation as they see it.

I am more than contented to let these gross contradictions play themselves out. The situation needs no nursing.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Awesome.

You pr**k, that was a better post than mine. You are a pain in the, um, elbow.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Fair enough.

There must be some kind of tactical reason for such clever arty placement then.

When you find out, do not delay in letting me know. If I am still alive. I have a hunch you may take some time finding out the tactical reason for such clever arty placement.

 

[-=virus=-]

When you find out, do not delay in letting me know. If I am still alive. I have a hunch you may take some time finding out the tactical reason for such clever arty placement.

It's giving our Pakistani friends the heartburn/break and a severe case of the rage.

Good enough for me.

 

[untitled]

It's giving our Pakistani friends the heartburn/break and a severe case of the rage.

I bet pictures of Kashmiris being used as human-sheilds give you your daily dose of sadistic delight
Here is another one

 

[-=virus=-]

I bet pictures of Kashmiris being used as human-sheilds give you your daily dose of sadistic delight
Here is another one

They made t-shirts out of that one.

 

[xeuss]

There is no collective consciousness of the Indian people. That is the mistake of an utterly ignorant set of neighbours whose original sin is to think that we are the same undifferentiated mass as they are. Those Pakistanis who have actually walked our streets have been traumatised out of their fixations. Read Raza Rumi on Delhi (not my favourite city).

This is not surprising considering the seriously right-wing militarist anti-democratic slant of the members here. You represent Pakistan about as much as Swarajya magazine represents India.

Joe,

What are you talking about that there is no "collective consciousness" of the Indian people. For the last six years, we have been told by the corridors of power in Delhi and their mouthpieces that everything that is being done is to satisfy the "collective conscience" of the country.

How can you blame a foreigner for not reading the mood of the street correctly when every message that emanates from India (save yours) triumphantly proclaims the "collective conscience" of the country?

 

[Krptonite]

Joe,

What are you talking about that there is no "collective consciousness" of the Indian people. For the last six years, we have been told by the corridors of power in Delhi and their mouthpieces that everything that is being done is to satisfy the "collective conscience" of the country.

How can you blame a foreigner for not reading the mood of the street correctly when every message that emanates from India (save yours) triumphantly proclaims the "collective conscience" of the country?

Good points, seconded.

One needs to experience the diversity at the ground level of our nation to disabuse any notion of any collective. Unfortunately the current regime has managed to silence it's opposition and successfully paint the narrative as a majoritarian initiative. Can't really blame a foreigner going by what happens in our media.

 

[Joe Shearer]

What are you talking about that there is no "collective consciousness" of the Indian people. For the last six years, we have been told by the corridors of power in Delhi and their mouthpieces that everything that is being done is to satisfy the "collective conscience" of the country.

Are you seriously telling me that they are right in saying what they did? That they and their mouthpieces are doing anything more than venting their prejudice?

If it hadn't been such a sad post, with all its underlying pain, I would have been laughing uproariously.

 

[xeuss]

Are you seriously telling me that they are right in saying what they did? That they and their mouthpieces are doing anything more than venting their prejudice?

If it hadn't been such a sad post, with all its underlying pain, I would have been laughing uproariously.

Who is the "they" that you talk about? I am confused, so cannot provide a response.