Indian Army Continues to Use Civilians as Shield Along LOC

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Again, indians are justifying the indian army murdering, oppressing and killing innocent civilians. If so called "indian liberals" think like this then imagine what an average indian thinks.

Some even editing the vid and claim it as Pak shelling.

 

[Joe Shearer]

A humane army will accept to saturate a civilian area with 800,000 soldiers ?

No, it will not.

Your first mistake - there are less than 300,000 soldiers in the Kashmir Valley, and many of them are on the borders.

Even if you include the Rashtriya Rifles and the central armed police, the figure does not come anywhere near what you thought it was.

DO NOT swallow propaganda statistics and jump to conclusions.

 

[Joe Shearer]

a humane army will do door to door search of EVERY house like in jagamohan humiliating the head of house and women folk ?

This was done in Assam, in Kerala, in West Bengal; this is done by the police, and they have a right to do the door-to-door searching to locate concealed weapons and fugitives. Humiliating the head of the house and women folk is not the intention.

I have lived through this situation, so I speak from personal experience.

 

[Joe Shearer]

a humane army will accept to enforce an internet blockade on civilians for a year ?

How does a humane army influence that kind of political decision? What does it have to do with it? Even the Governor did not agree to it and objected; what happened to him?

Your complaint is not about the Army; your complaint is about the repressive, fascist power, the BJP. The Army has nothing to do with it.

 

[Joe Shearer]

a humane army will house arrest someone like mehabooba mufti for an entire year - someone who was an ex-cm and a daughter of ex-union home minister ?

Sorry, wrong address.

You must learn to distinguish between what the politicians do and what the Army does. Behaving like a soda-water bottle shaken up and released doesn't help. It makes you seem like a mouthpiece for hostile propaganda.

 

[Joe Shearer]

a humane army will post soldiers armed with ak-47s at every adda, every street corner in a civilian area for decades ?

Look carefully. Those are not soldiers.

 

[Joe Shearer]

a humane army insists on securing land for delhi despite knowing the people do not want to be under delhi ?

The Army secures the borders, and it undertakes counter-insurgency, fighting armed people who are responsible for killing administrative people. The Army does not secure land for Delhi. It is not a real-estate agent.

 

[Joe Shearer]

a humane army accepts sacrifices of thousands of its own soldiers and brutalizes civilians because they wanted their azadi?

This is a counter-insurgency situation; the Army across the border goes through the exact same situation itself, and has lost countless officers and men in these counter-insurgency operations. They use helicopters and tanks against the insurgents.

I think your feelings and emotions are misplaced.

Not a single sentence of your post is accurate or well-founded. Not a good position to take.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Seriously man.some humane that is.

Hysteria will not help anyone; not you, not the ones for whom you express these feelings, no one.

 

[Vapour]

Sincerely hope that these guns are targeted by the Pakistani army so that IA can no longer endanger its occupied population in this town.

 

[letsrock]

No, it will not.

Your first mistake - there are less than 300,000 soldiers in the Kashmir Valley, and many of them are on the borders.

Even if you include the Rashtriya Rifles and the central armed police, the figure does not come anywhere near what you thought it was.

DO NOT swallow propaganda statistics and jump to conclusions.

That is your response? - a squabble about numbers and playing bureaucratic game such as " hey that is RR not army, that is ITBF not army thats BSF not army"?.

And its you, with all due respect to your seniority, that is lying through the teeth about "counter insurgency". Counter insurgency operations are usually brief operations - they dont last decades. And what insurgency - it is AZADI. There is a context to it and even a UN resolution to boot.

I havent said a single untruth in my post.

Saying our job is only this, we are only following rules is a nazi like monster excuse. Indian army can refuse to do such horrible things and worst is your justification to be complicit or Look away by using bureacratic excuses such as - because thats BSF thats ITBP or that is not army role.

IN the end you have a heart or you dont - there is something about india that caste infested society which takes away the heart from a man.

 

[Joe Shearer]

That is your response? - a squabble about numbers and playing bureaucratic game such as " hey that is RR not army, that is ITBF not army thats BSF not army"?.

Yes, that is my response; jumping up and down about it doesn't take anything away from the fact that you apparently know nothing about the situation and only flourish your emotions. Doesn't help anybody.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And its you, with all due respect to your seniority, that is lying through the teeth about "counter insurgency". Counter insurgency operations are usually brief operations - they dont last decades. And what insurgency - it is AZADI. There is a context to it and even a UN resolution to boot.

Just shows you don't know anything.

You know nothing about counter-insurgency; some of these have lasted decades. I don't see where you are getting your definitions from, other than a need to contradict whatever disagrees with your overheated statements.

We have been through the Azadi and UN Resolution bits dozens of times on PDF; read them. I can't repeat them for every hysterical individual who thinks he has a unique hold on the situation.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I havent said a single untruth in my post.

Every SINGLE sentence is untrue. I have said why, in writing. Just saying, again and again, that you are right is not an answer.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Saying our job is only this, we are only following rules is a nazi like monster excuse. Indian army can refuse to do such horrible things and worst is your justification to be complicit or Look away by using bureacratic excuses such as - because thats BSF thats ITBP or that is not army role.

Again, to accuse everybody in some sort of uniform as the Indian Army is only a propaganda view. It refuses to do horrible things; it has refused to do so in the past, and it will continue to do so in future. Your statements or beliefs or posts make no difference to the situation. They may satisfy whatever urges you to post what you do, but you are not getting any change to the situation. There is an unpleasant term for such self-indulgence.