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Yasser76 said:
Again, you are changing the subject deliberately (it's a fairly routine tactic that is obvious for all to ssee now).

In 2-3 years as a percentage of it's combat force IAF will still compromise of around 10 Sqds of Jaguars and MIG-21s, SU-30 is still using 90s tech and missiles, our beloved "AMRAAM Dodgers". That is 12 Sqds of SU-30s that will no probably not see upgrade.

That leaves you with the Rafale, M2K and MIG-29, approx 8 Sqds that can be considered modern

PAF will compromise approx

2 Sqds J-10C (possibly more if the Chinese feel the need to annoy you more)
10 Sqds of JF-17s
5 Sqds of F-16s (Block 52 plus MLU)
2 sqds of ROSE Mirages (obsolete but handy for strike/attack)

You will be facing 17 Sqds of planes that will be carrying AMRAAM/PL-12/PL-15
You will have two Rafales units with Meteor.


Most of the combat over South Asia will not involve Rafales so any idiot can figure out that relative to the PAF, the IAF is slowly getting older and older.
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Bhai..bol to diya..we are not rich and intelligent as you.
 
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dbc said:
by a farm tractor ...:lol:
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We use farm tractors on our aircraft carriers too. :D
 
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Yasser76 said:
Nothing to do with money, it's how you spend it, having a long term strategy and access to high tech equipment.

PAF, only a very small budget, has ensured that in around 2-3 years 80% of it's fighters will be 4/4.5th gen.
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Very small budget is wrong.
 
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Yasser76 said:
Again, you are changing the subject deliberately (it's a fairly routine tactic that is obvious for all to ssee now).

In 2-3 years as a percentage of it's combat force IAF will still compromise of around 10 Sqds of Jaguars and MIG-21s, SU-30 is still using 90s tech and missiles, our beloved "AMRAAM Dodgers". That is 12 Sqds of SU-30s that will no probably not see upgrade.

That leaves you with the Rafale, M2K and MIG-29, approx 8 Sqds that can be considered modern

PAF will compromise approx

2 Sqds J-10C (possibly more if the Chinese feel the need to annoy you more)
10 Sqds of JF-17s
5 Sqds of F-16s (Block 52 plus MLU)
2 sqds of ROSE Mirages (obsolete but handy for strike/attack)

You will be facing 17 Sqds of planes that will be carrying AMRAAM/PL-12/PL-15
You will have two Rafales units with Meteor.


Most of the combat over South Asia will not involve Rafales so any idiot can figure out that relative to the PAF, the IAF is slowly getting older and older.
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Nope.
J 10 - 24 / Rafale - 36
10 Sqds of JF-17s and F-16s (Block 52 plus MLU) - 250 - Su 30 Mki - 270
NOte- Su 30 mki is not a bad or outdated fighter aircraft ... it is 4.5 gen aircraft - during the day, she was equipped with Max 90 KM AAM VS F 16 110 KM AAM....... now, it has got the upgraded missiles with range approx 110 KM.....

2 sqds of ROSE Mirages (obsolete but handy for strike/attack) - if these are handy then Jaguar, Mig 29, and the newest Mirage 200 are handier.


You will be facing 17 Sqds of planes that will be carrying AMRAAM/PL-12/PL-15
You will have two Rafales units with Meteor.

NOpe - They will be facing HAL Tejas Mk1a with presently Astra with missile range 110 KM and from 2024, Astra -2 with missile range 150 KM, Su 30 Mki with AAM 110 KM and Astra -2 with missile range 150 KM. Equal capable to F 16 = Mirage 2000 fighters with AAM 110 KM ...... I am not adding Mig 29 UPG and Mig 29 Keven that have AAM with 110 KM range....

PAF was and is never having such leverage over the IAF after 1971 and would not see that will happen also,,

If we talk about 42 fighter squad needed then we say that we need 42 for Two front war.. including China.

We need 42 to fight against the chinese.... IAF always has the numerical advantage and PAF does not have any technical advantage over IAF...... except AWACS Aircrafts
 
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Raj-Hindustani said:
Nope.
J 10 - 24 / Rafale - 36
10 Sqds of JF-17s and F-16s (Block 52 plus MLU) - 250 - Su 30 Mki - 270
NOte- Su 30 mki is not a bad or outdated fighter aircraft ... it is 4.5 gen aircraft - during the day, she was equipped with Max 90 KM AAM VS F 16 110 KM AAM....... now, it has got the upgraded missiles with range approx 110 KM.....

2 sqds of ROSE Mirages (obsolete but handy for strike/attack) - if these are handy then Jaguar, Mig 29, and the newest Mirage 200 are handier.


You will be facing 17 Sqds of planes that will be carrying AMRAAM/PL-12/PL-15
You will have two Rafales units with Meteor.

NOpe - They will be facing HAL Tejas Mk1a with presently Astra with missile range 110 KM and from 2024, Astra -2 with missile range 150 KM, Su 30 Mki with AAM 110 KM and Astra -2 with missile range 150 KM. Equal capable to F 16 = Mirage 2000 fighters with AAM 110 KM ...... I am not adding Mig 29 UPG and Mig 29 Keven that have AAM with 110 KM range....

PAF was and is never having such leverage over the IAF after 1971 and would not see that will happen also,,

If we talk about 42 fighter squad needed then we say that we need 42 for Two front war.. including China.

We need 42 to fight against the chinese.... IAF always has the numerical advantage and PAF does not have any technical advantage over IAF...... except AWACS Aircrafts
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Again, I post facts and you post wishful thinking.

The SU-30MKI is not 4.5th gen by anyones criteria. Do you even know what the defination is of 4.5th gen? Feb 27th showed that it was outgunned by the F-16 and SU-30s spent most of their time avoiding AMRAAMs and not taking a shot, that is not me stating it but an admission by your very own IAF.

Relativeky speaking the IAF was in a stronger position against PAF in '65 and '71 then it is now. Astra MK2 is not even in service or properly qualified, there has been no Tejas delivery (not a single one) in 18 months.

Again, hard to debate you when I use facts and you continue to use fiction....
 
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Raj-Hindustani said:
Nope.
J 10 - 24 / Rafale - 36
10 Sqds of JF-17s and F-16s (Block 52 plus MLU) - 250 - Su 30 Mki - 270
NOte- Su 30 mki is not a bad or outdated fighter aircraft ... it is 4.5 gen aircraft - during the day, she was equipped with Max 90 KM AAM VS F 16 110 KM AAM....... now, it has got the upgraded missiles with range approx 110 KM.....

2 sqds of ROSE Mirages (obsolete but handy for strike/attack) - if these are handy then Jaguar, Mig 29, and the newest Mirage 200 are handier.


You will be facing 17 Sqds of planes that will be carrying AMRAAM/PL-12/PL-15
You will have two Rafales units with Meteor.

NOpe - They will be facing HAL Tejas Mk1a with presently Astra with missile range 110 KM and from 2024, Astra -2 with missile range 150 KM, Su 30 Mki with AAM 110 KM and Astra -2 with missile range 150 KM. Equal capable to F 16 = Mirage 2000 fighters with AAM 110 KM ...... I am not adding Mig 29 UPG and Mig 29 Keven that have AAM with 110 KM range....

PAF was and is never having such leverage over the IAF after 1971 and would not see that will happen also,,

If we talk about 42 fighter squad needed then we say that we need 42 for Two front war.. including China.

We need 42 to fight against the chinese.... IAF always has the numerical advantage and PAF does not have any technical advantage over IAF...... except AWACS Aircrafts
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Doesn't a 4.5 generation aircraft require an AESA radar at least? ...
 
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Bleek said:
Doesn't a 4.5 generation aircraft require an AESA radar at least? ...
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Do not bother, he will try and convince you the BARS is an AESA simply because IAF flies the plane and his mislaid pride cannot accept that early 90s tech is no match for 2020s tech....
 
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dbc said:
by a farm tractor ...:lol:
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If it does the job, why not. Being a developing we have to improvise in lots of ways to get things done as don't have budget to purchase specialized equipments. Back in the 70s our space agency didn't even had money to purchase special vehicles to transport Satellite as it needed to be transported in a non-magnetic environment so regular trucks were not an option. So they had two choices one was to purchase expensive vehicles to the job straining ISROs already tight budget, second they can literally transport million dollar satellite on a wooden cart driven by cattle. And walla.
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As long as it does the job well, it's all fair game
 
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Yasser76 said:
Again, I post facts and you post wishful thinking.

The SU-30MKI is not 4.5th gen by anyones criteria. Do you even know what the defination is of 4.5th gen? Feb 27th showed that it was outgunned by the F-16 and SU-30s spent most of their time avoiding AMRAAMs and not taking a shot, that is not me stating it but an admission by your very own IAF.

Relativeky speaking the IAF was in a stronger position against PAF in '65 and '71 then it is now. Astra MK2 is not even in service or properly qualified, there has been no Tejas delivery (not a single one) in 18 months.

Again, hard to debate you when I use facts and you continue to use fiction....
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Your wishful thinking is out of the scope.
 
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