India-US Naval Drills: How US using India to counter China...!!!

[4GTejasBVR]

Firstly, a "war with China" is a hugely multi-faceted and highly dynamic scenario, the result of which one would definitely not gauge with a mere "I think" or "I do not think". How does India, for instance, ensure that NATO members and the US would assist India in a hypothetical conflict, and to what extent? India is neither part of nor have any binding treaties with NATO. The Philippines had a defense treaty with the United States, only to see the latter renege on that very agreement when the Chinese disputed their claims in the SCS. In the same vein, the US and Pakistan also hold a mutual defense pact, and yet it would be prospectively unfathomable to see the former providing direct military support to the latter should a conflict with India arise. Historically, the US never divulged one iota of support to Islamabad during its standoffs with India.

Secondly, the driving forces behind China's economic slowdown, again a multi-faceted and immensely-convoluted issue, has little to do with the dynamics of the SCS dispute (which involves many nations, not just China). China is predominantly a second-sector economy, one in which the manufacturing and export of tangible goods are utmost. This means that any major change to its labor force & cost would determine the lion's share of its GDP. Chinese wages are rising, leading to rising labor costs, and with increased automation of production in the United States and developed countries, it is no surprise that manufacturing in China has lost its luster. Likewise, the inability of Chinese firms to move hop overseas and the holistic lack of entrepreneurial spirit (I blame Communism for this one) make it tough for the country to move from a second-sector (manufacturing-based) to a tertiary-sector (services-based) economy. Factor in property & stock bubbles and a history of deficit-driven economic growth (i.e. government spends to promote infrastructure projects), and you get an idea of why their economic miracle doesn't last forever. Japan and South Korea faced the same problems and consequences. A lot of factors are at play, but few, if any, of them are directly precipitants of China's actions in and about the SCS.

Think sensibly. When ever China pulls up public stunt in SCS more and more fdi inflow diverted to other western countries and in Asia India set gain. Recent figures proves that

See India Vs China war will end up in stalemate without any results. Or confused results. Some parts when China gains while India gains on other. We don't need American boots to defend our land it's quite obvious.

Why I think war against China could be more of a gang bang against? It's due to China's policies and foolishness on regards of urgency shown to project and capture SCS. A mistake. May be China understand the changing scenario in SCS and Asia. Given the slowing economy, decrease in fdi inflow, growing US presence and partnership in SCS should be threatening for her ambitious plan. Overall China's plans have broken down terribly in the past few years.

How can you think you can win war against rest of the world man? China is not where Japan or Germany was in 30s - 40s

 

[帅的一匹]

India is too big and Strong to be "use" by USA but surely India has its own interests in that region such as Vietnamese Oil blocks and freedom of Navigation.

Tell me what is freedom of navigation? Then why India is bitching around every time PLA navy sail near the Indian Ocean region? Cause we have freedom navigation rights? Freedom navigation is the biggest joke I've ever heard, ever.

 

[帅的一匹]

Think sensibly. When ever China pulls up public stunt in SCS more and more fdi inflow diverted to other western countries and in Asia India set gain. Recent figures proves that

See India Vs China war will end up in stalemate without any results. Or confused results. Some parts when China gains while India gains on other. We don't need American boots to defend our land it's quite obvious.

Why I think war against China could be more of a gang bang against? It's due to China's policies and foolishness on regards of urgency shown to project and capture SCS. A mistake. May be China understand the changing scenario in SCS and Asia. Given the slowing economy, decrease in fdi inflow, growing US presence and partnership in SCS should be threatening for her ambitious plan. Overall China's plans have broken down terribly in the past few years.

How can you think you can win war against rest of the world man? China is not where Japan or Germany was in 30s - 40s

If China can't defend its SCS, there is no reason that we shall exist anymore. As a nationa we are polite and nice group of people. If anyone dare to insult and want to take our lands by force and trend on on our dignity, we will go all out to fight to the last dip of blood. If our adversaries gang bang, we destroy them all.

 

[Akasa]

Think sensibly. When ever China pulls up public stunt in SCS more and more fdi inflow diverted to other western countries and in Asia India set gain. Recent figures proves that

FDI has been stable, with an overall upward trend, for the past few decades. There is no indication that FDI has been undermined in tandem with stability in the SCS. FDI is, as far as I understand, influenced by the potential of growth and ROI within a country's business climate. This can be affected by a lot of factors, such as the expanding market in China's population, which do not significantly fluctuate with a region's political climate. Unless there are crippling sanctions that overtly damage a country's credit ratings, as with Russia, there is no reason for foreign entities to divest their resources from China should other factors hold well.

See India Vs China war will end up in stalemate without any results. Or confused results. Some parts when China gains while India gains on other. We don't need American boots to defend our land it's quite obvious.

And this is according to whom?

Why I think war against China could be more of a gang bang against? It's due to China's policies and foolishness on regards of urgency shown to project and capture SCS. A mistake. May be China understand the changing scenario in SCS and Asia. Given the slowing economy, decrease in fdi inflow, growing US presence and partnership in SCS should be threatening for her ambitious plan. Overall China's plans have broken down terribly in the past few years.

How can you think you can win war against rest of the world man? China is not where Japan or Germany was in 30s - 40s

"Foolishness", as much as that can be debated, has zero bearing on another country's moxie to aid its partners in a conflict if it determines that the risks outweigh the resultant political or tangible benefit. No single sovereign state on this planet formulates these decisions without giving primary thought to the impact thereof on its own interests. If a conflict with one of the largest trading partners on the planet serves to benefit one of India's partners more than it does to harm it, perhaps there will be some sort of action. If not, then there will be no "coalition of the willing" for New Delhi to rely on.

 

[4GTejasBVR]

If China can't defend its SCS, there is no reason that we shall exist anymore. As a nationa we are polite and nice group of people. If anyone dare to insult and want to take our lands by force and trend on on our dignity, we will go all out to fight to the last dip of blood. If our adversaries gang bang, we destroy them all.

In my before comment I particularly started with two magic word which keeps us alive!!!

check out please. And South China Sea is not ur right or ur sea and all these countries in our neighborhood are not morons and jokers all willing to defend their own share with their last dripping blood. Only thing is its China alone and ur last dripping blood Vs all other powers in the regions with all their dripping bloods.

No sense in ur comment

FDI has been stable, with an overall upward trend, for the past few decades. There is no indication that FDI has been undermined in tandem with stability in the SCS. FDI is, as far as I understand, influenced by the potential of growth and ROI within a country's business climate. This can be affected by a lot of factors, such as the expanding market in China's population, which do not significantly fluctuate with a region's political climate. Unless there are crippling sanctions that overtly damage a country's credit ratings, as with Russia, there is no reason for foreign entities to divest their resources from China should other factors hold well.

Every time China’s military forces advance with a territorial claimin the East or South China Seas or in India’s Arunachal Pradesh or across the Taiwan Strait, foreign direct investment into China retreats. As Senator Everett Dirksen once said, “a billion here, a billion there,” and pretty soon it’s real money.

If a strong economy is key to survival of the Chinese Communist Party, Beijing’s brain trust has made a huge strategic blunder inabandoning its “peaceful rise” in favor of a rapid military buildup and pursuit of territorial claims throughout Asia. Naked aggression by the People’s Liberation Army, coupled with Beijing’s hard, bullying line on a host of disputes, is not just driving most of the rest of Asia into America’s arms. The specter of a new Imperial China is also raising very real questions in corporate boardrooms around the world as to the wisdom of long-term capital investment in China.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chinas-aggression-killing-foreign-investment-16435

And this is according to whom?

What do u mean according to whom. Are you trying to say that you belive China will have hands down victory against Indian Armed forces? Even if the one on one battle?

"Foolishness", as much as that can be debated, has zero bearing on another country's moxie to aid its partners in a conflict if it determines that the risks outweigh the resultant political or tangible benefit. No single sovereign state on this planet formulates these decisions without giving primary thought to the impact thereof on its own interests. If a conflict with one of the largest trading partners on the planet serves to benefit one of India's partners more than it does to harm it, perhaps there will be some sort of action. If not, then there will be no "coalition of the willing" for New Delhi to rely on.

First and foremost thing to learn about what is foolish and what cleaver in military terms one must always look back into the history of man kind... And u must understand India has two front to face while China has several loose fronts to face. When it's two front war against India then u can be assured there will be mutually exclusive reaction from world powers especially US in this regards. Don't worry China will be left alone to face India as we have clear cut deeper relationship with Russia. Russia shares same conflict of interest in SCS as of India.

It doesn't mean since it's China made her mind to go for attack on its neighbors it's perfectly fine and right move !!! Foolishness is some you realize after getting defeated. Till then it's sounds like great idea my friend.

 

[Akasa]

Every time China’s military forces advance with a territorial claimin the East or South China Seas or in India’s Arunachal Pradesh or across the Taiwan Strait, foreign direct investment into China retreats. As Senator Everett Dirksen once said, “a billion here, a billion there,” and pretty soon it’s real money.

If a strong economy is key to survival of the Chinese Communist Party, Beijing’s brain trust has made a huge strategic blunder inabandoning its “peaceful rise” in favor of a rapid military buildup and pursuit of territorial claims throughout Asia. Naked aggression by the People’s Liberation Army, coupled with Beijing’s hard, bullying line on a host of disputes, is not just driving most of the rest of Asia into America’s arms. The specter of a new Imperial China is also raising very real questions in corporate boardrooms around the world as to the wisdom of long-term capital investment in China.
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chinas-aggression-killing-foreign-investment-16435

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/chinas-aggression-killing-foreign-investment-16435

I'd like to see some charts that indicate a dip in FDI as a direct result of Beijing's activities in the SCS. Data retrieved from web-based sources indicate that the only major dip occurred in early 2016, most likely as a result of China's stock market fumble. Aggression and political brinkmanship do not always deter those who wish to invest in a country's business culture. Unless, granted, the country's credit ratings drop, which has not happened in Beijing's case.

What do u mean according to whom. Are you trying to say that you belive China will have hands down victory against Indian Armed forces? Even if the one on one battle?

That's not what I'm implying at all. What you've proposed, however, is that India could single-handedly beat the Chinese to a stalemate in a conflict, and I am simply inquiring as to how you arrived at that hypothesis.

First and foremost thing to learn about what is foolish and what cleaver in military terms one must always look back into the history of man kind... And u must understand India has two front to face while China has several loose fronts to face. When it's two front war against India then u can be assured there will be mutually exclusive reaction from world powers especially US in this regards. Don't worry China will be left alone to face India as we have clear cut deeper relationship with Russia. Russia shares same conflict of interest in SCS as of India.

It doesn't mean since it's China made her mind to go for attack on its neighbors it's perfectly fine and right move !!! Foolishness is some you realize after getting defeated. Till then it's sounds like great idea my friend.

As far as the history of mankind goes, not one of India's supposed allies stepped up to the plate to offer materiel or monetary assistance when India fought a border war with China and later additional conflicts with Pakistan. Countries prioritize their own interests before those of other nations, so unless there is a sound reason as to why a war with their likely biggest trading partner would be of benefit to them, a nation has little incentive to dive into the quagmire of war, regardless of whatever binding agreements they may or may not have with India.

 

[帅的一匹]

Modi must make his mind clear, don't do stupid stuffs like Nehru. China won't be hesitate to provide Pakistan anything to revenge India, even H bomb. If a war occurs this time, we will take back South Tibet. We won't let it float away from our fingers anymore. Time to take what belonged to us.

 

[4GTejasBVR]

I'd like to see some charts that indicate a dip in FDI as a direct result of Beijing's activities in the SCS. Data retrieved from web-based sources indicate that the only major dip occurred in early 2016, most likely as a result of China's stock market fumble. Aggression and political brinkmanship do not always deter those who wish to invest in a country's business culture. Unless, granted, the country's credit ratings drop, which has not happened in Beijing's case.

I don't see anyone will be willing to invest in a country which is on verge of war. Not due to external factors but picks war on itself. How Fdi will be flowing into China?
China’s consumer price index (CPI) weakened unexpectedly in May, while factory gate prices fell for the 51st consecutive month, a sign the world’s second largest economy continues to battle weak demand.

The official CPI rate rose 2% in the 12 months through May, down sharply from 2.3% in April, the National Bureau of Statistics reported Thursday. The official reading came in below a median 2.3% gain forecast by economists.

Your economy is ever declining. Some believes it's gonna be some hectic task to keep gap floating at 6.5% in coming years for China. US dollars getting stronger Asian countries seeing improved fdi investments. Manufacturers in Asian countries are gaining new grounds in world markets. India opening new opertunity at you back yard. Mann you still belive aggressive standard by China is good for economy? I beg to differ

That's not what I'm implying at all. What you've proposed, however, is that India could single-handedly beat the Chinese to a stalemate in a conflict, and I am simply inquiring as to how you arrived at that hypothesis.

If it's not stalemate are you saying China will outrun India and occupy? Is that what you meant?

As far as the history of mankind goes, not one of India's supposed allies stepped up to the plate to offer materiel or monetary assistance when India fought a border war with China and later additional conflicts with Pakistan. Countries prioritize their own interests before those of other nations, so unless there is a sound reason as to why a war with their likely biggest trading partner would be of benefit to them, a nation has little incentive to dive into the quagmire of war, regardless of whatever binding agreements they may or may not have with India.

US is up in arms to contain China. Don't you see that. If war breaks out between India and China India first pressure from Russia while same time goes with US assistance which range from hardware to intelligence support. Don't forget. SCS rim will be at full size combat mode. I don't see why Japan Vietnam Philippines US won't take this opportunity to out from South to East Coast if war takes toll at global economy. As you know India and China holds global economy aspects

Modi must make his mind clear, don't do stupid stuffs like Nehru. China won't be hesitate to provide Pakistan anything to revenge India, even H bomb. If a war occurs this time, we will take back South Tibet. We won't let it float away from our fingers anymore. Time to take what belonged to us.

Rolf seriously...? You are welcome to take whatever you want . Don't waste time just take it...

We will do the same with Vietnam Philippines...

 

[sherin616]

Usa used china long back and they are no 2 now and used Pakistan too but never got what they needed now its indias chance to milk the cow

 

[Akasa]

I don't see anyone will be willing to invest in a country which is on verge of war. Not due to external factors but picks war on itself. How Fdi will be flowing into China?
China’s consumer price index (CPI) weakened unexpectedly in May, while factory gate prices fell for the 51st consecutive month, a sign the world’s second largest economy continues to battle weak demand.

The official CPI rate rose 2% in the 12 months through May, down sharply from 2.3% in April, the National Bureau of Statistics reported Thursday. The official reading came in below a median 2.3% gain forecast by economists.

The CPI is not an effective indicator of FDI; rather, it measures the fluctuations in the price of consumer goods, which are essentially sculpted by forces within a typical market economy, including but not limited to inflation, aggregate supply & demand, and such. FDI to China hovered around ~$105b in 2010, rising to ~$110b in 2012 and finally over $200b in 2014. It dipped in the first quarter of 2016, likely due to the recent stock market crash. The trend is pretty clear in that the recent political tension in the SCS has little, if any, effect on investors. And it makes sense, since none of the major credit rating agencies (S&P, etc.) have significantly downgraded China's credit rating.

Your economy is ever declining. Some believes it's gonna be some hectic task to keep gap floating at 6.5% in coming years for China.

That's quite a loaded proposition that cannot be justified with a simple measurement of the GDP growth rate.

US dollars getting stronger Asian countries seeing improved fdi investments. Manufacturers in Asian countries are gaining new grounds in world markets. India opening new opertunity at you back yard. Mann you still belive aggressive standard by China is good for economy? I beg to differ

I hope it's clear to you that the Chinese want a lower RMB relative to the USD. In fact, it has been forcefully maintaining that position by pegging low exchange rates. This increases the purchasing power of other currencies relative to the RMB and in turn spurs Chinese exports. I agree with the fact that other Asian countries are becoming more competitive in the manufacturing sector, especially with lower labor costs when China is increasing wages of its workers, but China's economy should and is beginning to move past the manufacturing sector. Raw production and export are never the hallmarks of a modernized, developed economy and the Chinese realize that.

US is up in arms to contain China. Don't you see that. If war breaks out between India and China India first pressure from Russia while same time goes with US assistance which range from hardware to intelligence support. Don't forget. SCS rim will be at full size combat mode. I don't see why Japan Vietnam Philippines US won't take this opportunity to out from South to East Coast if war takes toll at global economy. As you know India and China holds global economy aspects

And all of this "assistance" and "hardware & intelligence support" would be decided by whom? Yourself? The decision of India's "allies" to participate in a conflict would ultimately be influenced by a stringent balance of benefits and cost. No country on Earth engages in utter altruism, especially when that involves a major conflict in which that country may be harmed, without giving thought to its own interests; this has been proved repeatedly in past conflicts.

 

[Jlaw]

https://timesofislamabad.com/india-us-naval-drills-how-us-using-india-to-counter-china/2016/06/08/

India is too big and Strong to be "use" by USA but surely India has its own interests in that region such as Vietnamese Oil blocks and freedom of Navigation.

 

[Penguin]

In the latest development India, Japan and US are holding trilateral naval drills starting from Friday in Western Pacific.

The drills named Malabar are annually held between US and India since 2007 and Japan is included permanently since last year.

The drills include anti-submarine warfare and air defense training that will last till June 17.

Exercise Malabar is a trilateral naval exercise involving the United States, Japan and India as permanent partners. Originally a bilateral exercise between India and the U.S., Japan became a permanent partner in 2015. Past non-permanent participants are Australia and Singapore. The annual Malabar series began in 1992 and includes diverse activities, ranging from fighter combat operations from aircraft carriers through Maritime Interdiction Operations Exercises.
Three exercises were conducted before 1998, when the Americans suspended exercises after India tested nuclear weapons. However, the U.S. renewed military contacts following the September 11 attacks when India joined President George W Bush's campaign against international terrorism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Malabar

It has been held annually since 2002. In the 1990s, it was held in 1992, 1995, and 1996.

Malabar Exercises 1992-2014: Participants and Exercise Areas

See also
http://www.academia.edu/7879273/INDIA-UNITED_STATES_MALABAR_NAVAL_EXERCISES_TRENDS_AND_TRIBULATIONS
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/malabar.htm
http://www.thequint.com/india/2015/...cs-evolution-of-us-india-maritime-cooperation

7th fleet exercises (annual)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/ex-pacfleet.htm

India also )occasionally) participates in RIMPAC
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/rimpac.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_RIMPAC