India turns down US plans to counter China

[junk]

India should buddy up with US to counter china & get a foot hold on afghanistan,

India should send 1 million active troops to afghanistan via iran this will boost the local manufacturing industry for tanks, mine protector vehicles, arms & ammunation, in the mean time india military will get a active combat experiences & will brush shoulders with the best of worlds military, whats the point having all the expensive toys when you never get to use it.

Come on india dont be a coward send your troops to afghanistan.

 

[Hello_10]

I used the term 'non-aligned' in the general context and not with regards to the NAM.We simply choose not to engage and the view from the fence is fantastic !!!

Our secular credentials as a nation help out too as India isn't unnecessarily drawn into the affairs of the Middle East like Islamic countries sometimes find themselves to.India's foreign policy is pretty much set,just needs a little fine-tuning from time to time and is mostly reactionary.

India is an independent power which is capable enough to defend itself without any external help. your rulers like Indira Gandhi didnt sign any NPT type agreement and did own nuclear test in 1974 then it was because India never wanted to compromise with its strength in any case, regardless how much US and other Western countries tried hard to force India to sign NPT. similarly, India always has full production line of every key defense arms like SU30MKI aircrafts, involvement in 5th gen aircrafts, T90 tanks, best missiles and best missile defense all with full techs, full production line of submarines/ carrier including home production of nuclear submarines also etc. own space research technologies which is considered among the top 5 countries in the world including US,EU,Russia,China and now India is close to them with their successful moon mission, with proposed manned mission also. with firm alignment with Russia whose veto in UN is always with us. India mainly came on the path of all these strengths since the time of Indira Gandhi and India dont need any help from outside to face any challenge imposed on the nation, this much your rulers like Indira Gandhi have given you...........

India is not the country who is dependent on other countries for any type of help so why would they join any group like NATO while Indian fundamental way of handling international disputes is based on the concept of NAM? even a small country like Vietnam, Thailand, Chile, Cuba etc are not as much worried for their security as we see in India while concerning specially China? was India ever dependent on others for any help to defend itself even in 70s/80s also while India has got this much economic growth till now? its the time when US/West would chase you to bring you in their group and you would keep kicking them to make them understand that its India whose terms and condition will work while talking to them now, this much strength your rulers like Indira Gandhi/ Rajiv Gandhi have founded in India during their time. rest, a permanent seat in UN is in the destiny of India, either West will accept India during this decade, or, by fall of most of the OECD economies by late 2020s, they will have finally accepted that world has changed................

 

[danger007]

India should buddy up with US to counter china & get a foot hold on afghanistan,

India should send 1 million active troops to afghanistan via iran this will boost the local manufacturing industry for tanks, mine protector vehicles, arms & ammunation, in the mean time india military will get a active combat experiences & will brush shoulders with the best of worlds military, whats the point having all the expensive toys when you never get to use it.

Come on india dont be a coward send your troops to afghanistan.

and who will pay wages to those 1 million troops.... will you....stop bs arguments without maturity..... don't reflect your id name into your words...

 

[danger007]

You Sir are an idiot, there is a saying if you have to gain something then you have to lose something no gain without pain,

how easily have you forgot afghan sits on few trillion worth of minerals if india has 1 million active troops cant they mine those minerals & bring it back via iran ? i can understand stupdity this is beyond stupidity.

This is a offer to india & should be grabbed by both hands & legs.

you are asking to occupy Afghanistan and get land mine beneath @##......... post reported....

 

[Hello_10]

and who will pay wages to those 1 million troops.... will you....stop bs arguments without maturity..... don't reflect your id name into your words...

Afghan is a mess. I dont think India may get any success there if whole NATO were failed??? also this much mess CIA has done there, having hands in suicide bombing/ drone attacks on the common people????? that, India must not be part of all these deeds of US/West. why would we come on the target of Al Qaeda terrorists who are mainly concerned with NATO countries, not India? even during recent bombing on the embassies in Afghan, a month before, Indian embassy wasn't attacked just because you are not part of this war. so, why do you want to be part of the mess of Afghan? we have concerns with Pakistan only and those certain militants who are worried fon Kashmir issue and we would solve this on bilateral terms only. also India has more Muslims than Pakistan who also proud to see Kashmir as part of India. we would think only to the level we are concerned with

we must not become an arm of Christianity against Islam, like how we find a type of religious war when NATO countries fund wars against the gulf nations one by one by targeting Iraq, Afghan etc and then people of gulf nations fund this Taliban type militia against US/West? most of those who fund Taliban are based in the Saudi Arabia type countries itself and it gives us a clear sense that you would always keep yourself out of this mess made between Christianity and Islam. India had firm support for the Palestine leader like Yasir Arafat and we maintain our support for Palestinian people and rest we dont know anything which aren't not concerned with our interests. thats it

 

[junk]

you are asking to occupy Afghanistan and get land mine beneath @##......... post reported....

You idiot i am not asking you to occupy afghanistan per say, i was merely saying india to spread democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of women in afghanistan for which you may need to send few million peacekeepers to keep the talibobs in check,

mean while whats wrong with mining while you give all the due share to afguns ?

Afghan is a mess. I dont think India may get any success there if whole NATO were failed??? also this much mess CIA has done there, having hands in suicide bombing/ drone attacks on the common people????? that, India must not be part of all these deeds of US/West. why would we come on the target of Al Qaeda terrorists who are mainly concerned with NATO countries, not India? even during recent bombing on the embassies in Afghan, a month before, Indian embassy wasn't attacked just because you are not part of this war. so, why do you want to be part of the mess of Afghan? we have concerns with Pakistan only and those certain militants who are worried fon Kashmir issue and we would solve this on bilateral terms only. also India has more Muslims than Pakistan who also proud to see Kashmir as part of India. we would think only to the level we are concerned with

we must not become an arm of Christianity against Islam, like how we find a type of religious war when NATO countries fund wars against the gulf nations one by one by targeting Iraq, Afghan etc and then people of gulf nations fund this Taliban type militia against US/West? most of those who fund Taliban are based in the Saudi Arabia type countries itself and it gives us a clear sense that you would always keep yourself out of this mess made between Christianity and Islam. India had firm support for the Palestine leader like Yasir Arafat and we maintain our support for Palestinian people and rest we dont know anything which aren't not concerned with our interests. thats it

Whats the mess in afghanistan, if afghanistan is a mess wont it becomes the responsiblity of regional super power to keep that mess in check, i think you are too scared of towel heads in afghanistan thats the reality....

india can send its brave troops to afghanistan create stability & enjoy the fruits of mining in afghanistan, if india cant do anything about afghun now its gonna be too late when USA leaves.

 

[fly2012]

You Sir are an idiot, there is a saying if you have to gain something then you have to lose something no gain without pain,

how easily have you forgot afghan sits on few trillion worth of minerals if india has 1 million active troops cant they mine those minerals & bring it back via iran ? i can understand stupdity but this is beyond stupidity.

This is a offer to india & should be grabbed by both hands & legs.

america cant do anything in afgun cuz of its shaky relations with pakistan, iran & on other hand you have russia & china,

Atleast india has friends iran, russia etc etc afgun is a treasure mine & india is refusing the key offered on a silver platter,

all the fighting & killing of talibobs has been done by the west all militants & terrorists are gone, india hasnt lost anything but west lost few trillion quid there, now the oppurutnity is in india's hands.

I do see a lot of pains on both US and Afghanistan sides, where's the gain? If countries wants to get minerals, won't it be better to spend the money on investment instead of on the troops? Cost per soldier deployed in Afghanistan is $800,000, a million troops? You do the math. And don't forget US can use Pakistan roads. And the cost doesn't include post-war trauma treatment and other social cost related. Oh, and as there're not enough terrorist attacks in India.

This is a offer to india & should be grabbed by both hands & legs.

Sure we will see a lot of more missing hands and legs following your advise.

 

[danger007]

Afghan is a mess. I dont think India may get any success there if whole NATO were failed??? also this much mess CIA has done there, having hands in suicide bombing/ drone attacks on the common people????? that, India must not be part of all these deeds of US/West. why would we come on the target of Al Qaeda terrorists who are mainly concerned with NATO countries, not India? even during recent bombing on the embassies in Afghan, a month before, Indian embassy wasn't attacked just because you are not part of this war. so, why do you want to be part of the mess of Afghan? we have concerns with Pakistan only and those certain militants who are worried fon Kashmir issue and we would solve this on bilateral terms only. also India has more Muslims than Pakistan who also proud to see Kashmir as part of India. we would think only to the level we are concerned with

we must not become an arm of Christianity against Islam, like how we find a type of religious war when NATO countries fund wars against the gulf nations one by one by targeting Iraq, Afghan etc and then people of gulf nations fund this Taliban type militia against US/West? most of those who fund Taliban are based in the Saudi Arabia type countries itself and it gives us a clear sense that you would always keep yourself out of this mess made between Christianity and Islam. India had firm support for the Palestine leader like Yasir Arafat and we maintain our support for Palestinian people and rest we dont know anything which aren't not concerned with our interests. thats it

im against Indian troops in afganistan....

 

[junk]

I do see a lot of pains on both US and Afghanistan sides, where's the gain? If countries wants to get minerals, won't it be better to spend the money on investment instead of on the troops? Cost per soldier deployed in Afghanistan is $800,000, a million troops? You do the math. And don't forget US can use Pakistan roads. And the cost doesn't include post-war trauma treatment and other social cost related. Oh, and as there're not enough terrorist attacks in India.



Sure we will see a lot of more missing hands and legs following your advise.

you post is misleading - yes US has spent billions on dollars in afghanistan but things got wary cuz of the uneven relationship with pakistan, china, russia, iran which are the borders of afghanistan,

Now if you replace West with india, Iran & russia are on india's side the pakistan side can be fenced & china wont bother as they have their own uigher problem,

so here india is at advantage to send the troops now where all the insurgency, taliban, al-qaeda defeated, after a 12 year tiresome war with 40 odd countries afghuns are tired & depleted, now india has to replace as West draw downs so india can enjoy the fruits of rich minerals in afghun.

im against Indian troops in afganistan....

are you scared of towel head talibobs ? or scared that indian empire will get destroyed in grave yard of empires?

few pictures for you to get scared

looks like you are really scared of the graveyard

 

[CZAR]

Just a few nukes on new delhi and india is done.

The stupidity of your comment apart, keep in mind that China is not the only nation with nukes. Also keep in mind that, India is not the only n-capable country that is not overtly fond of the chinks. But alas, there is no shortage of trigger happy jingoists.

Secondly, the only real challenge, today, to china's sovereignty is the sensitive Tibet issue. So given that india plays host to the architect of that challenge - the Dalai Lama, and given that India also plays host to a large Tibetian community, and given that india allows enough space for "liberals and intellectuals" to voice their support for the Tibetian cause - India clearly, if not in words, in actions is playing the role of a facilitator of the challenge to chinese sovereignty - which judging by your desperate levels of jingoism, i'm sure doesn't sit too well with the self image that your inflated egos manage to conjure up and reflects poorly on central leadership.

So if nuking the indian capital was that simple, what exactly has been holding the chinese back. After all it’s a matter of "just a few nukes" to finish India?! Why does china only resort to soft measures, at best, such as auropolitics and blowing of some steam in national dailies in poor attempts to whip up nationalistic emotions, etc.

It’s ironic, that you and your friends like to quote IQ figures, while throwing caution to the wind before showing, like in this instance, a spectacular lack of intelligence.

Cheers.

 

[ADAMANSKA]

Why don't you guys just block these retarded Chinese/Falseflaggers and discuss the topic? Block them, nice and easy.

 

[CZAR]

I did not 'blame'. I opined that it is shortsighted. China is not a force for 'good' in Asia, as much as the Chinese crowd here would like to convince us 'inferior' Asians to believe. Look at your own troubles with China. Failure to contain China at this time with US help and India will regret the refusal of opportunity.

Indians perceive the intentions of the Chinese with an equal measure of suspicion. Indians also see the US as a potential partner. But that's where most draw the line. India is willing to engage with the US, but on its own terms. India's ambitions of evolving into one of the poles of a future multi-polar world order, will not allow it to settle for a subservient role. India, has to be accommodated as an equal partner, with no bogeys of foreign policy being added.

Besides, being overtly dependent on the US for everything from weapons to orientation of foreign policy hasn't worked too well previously for other american allies. And indians are just wary of that.

And secondly, stop making it sound like a favour. You are here, for no other reason than the fact that you need to be here for your own interests. A resurgent china will do as much damage to american interests, if not more, as it will to india's. you guys seem to have realized that the war in afghanistan / iraq was hurtful not only by way of getting your A$$ kicked but also by way of having allowed a fast rising nation such as china, a vacuum in the far east and pacific region to enhance its influence.

Your one man show, since the fall of the soviets, is running the risk of coming to an end. All the economic and strategic benefits that the US feels entitled to - would have to be kissed goodbye.

I mean the scope of losses that the US would have to incur merits a book. So, drop the "holier than thou" attitude cause it appears you have a lot more at stake.

And not to mention, that any “contain china” strategy minus india is likely to look flimsy, given the influence that India could yield on the IOR and the sensitive sea lanes.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

India opposed the USA plan to counter China, India wants to Join the SCO, India wants stronger ties with China, India is still buying Iranian Oil LOL and people call India a western lapdog unlike some.

 

[faithfulguy]

India is making a big mistake by not siding with the US. Either it will join the US lead western democracy or it will play second fiddle to the China/Soviet SCO camp. India by itself is not strong enough to be an independent player, it will just remain a card to be played by the other countries. However, Indian can gain influence by join the US lead coalition as a equal partner now. Otherwise, it will come begging for American assistance when its more powerful enemies kick the crap out of its decrepit military sometime in the near future.

 

[Hello_10]

im against Indian troops in afganistan....

me too

but Im willing to support any move by SCO on this region which includes China, Pakistan itself, Central Asian countries etc, if this may help us have peace in this part of the world. but it would first be discussed by SCO group