India Tops World's Racism Charts

[Jayanta]

Have you heard about Professor Ahmad Hasan Dani who attended BHU and studied archeology, and said that he was ostracized and treated as a pariah by Hindu students and faculty at BHU. He was not allowed to sit and eat with his fellow students, he was asked to keep his plates and dishes separate in his room, and required to stand outside the dining hall to be served his meal and then wash the dishes himself. Later, when he graduated at the top of the archeology class, he was offered a faculty position, but the University head and former president of India Radhakrishnan told him that he would be paid a salary but he would not be allowed to teach. Here is a video clip of late Prof Dani talking about it:

BTW..learning foreign language was also considered as HARAM.

 

[INDIC]

I know it Spring Onion was claiming Brahui has no Dravidian connection. I have seen lots of wannable White Pakistanis trying to prove that they have no connection with Indians since Indians are Dravidians.

 

[Sugarcane]

I know it Spring Onion was claiming Brahui has no Dravidian connection. I have seen lots of wannable White Pakistanis trying to prove that they have no connection with Indians since Indians are Dravidians.

I don't go into color debate but genetic analysis tells us that Pakistan+North Indian are genetically different from South Indians

 

[Thirdfront]

a while back some of your own countrymen here were claiming that if the survey was about religion India would have scored best

for the claimers of vedic this and vedic that Vedic rayans were NOT Hindu in the first place anyway move on we accept for a while that hindus are NOT dravidian they are all pure aryans the martial race thats why they dont want any other race (dravidians) as their neighbour

Ho..ho..ho.. hold your horses... some pretty tall talk... there is no such thing as aryan and dravidian race in actual, it is just a perception, and both "dravidian" and "aryans" are Hindus. It is not only about "aryans" not wanting "dravidian", it is also about "dravidian" not wanting "aryan", also, muslims not wanting hindus or christias etc etc...

On another note (off topic), You must be pretty athletic and well built, huh?

 

[INDIC]

I don't go into color debate but genetic analysis tells us that Pakistan+North Indian are genetically different from South Indians

Not entirely different. Such thing even exist in Pakistan.

 

[Sugarcane]

Not entirely different. Such thing even exist in Pakistan.

Here is research of your own institute Study throws light on genetic diversity of Indian population - The Hindu

 

[Spring Onion]

Ho..ho..ho.. hold your horses... some pretty tall talk... there is no such thing as aryan and dravidian race in actual, it is just a perception, and both "dravidian" and "aryans" are Hindus. It is not only about "aryans" not wanting "dravidian", it is also about "dravidian" not wanting "aryan", also, muslims not wanting hindus or christias etc etc...

On another note (off topic), You must be pretty athletic and well built, huh?

pakhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok you bharatis or for that you bharati hindus are ALL ARYANS

happy. ok come back to the topic will you.

and whats with being athletic or not?

 

[474474]

I'd rather say this list is surveying how honest the respondents are about being racist. Many from the 'tolerant' countries have learned to hide their true opinions regarding this sensitive issue carefully because of their rampant historical racism, but that does not mean they are really more tolerant.

Pakistanis have no pressure to be politically correct, we say what we feel like. ANd tbh, we don't feel racist.

 

[Spring Onion]

I know it Spring Onion was claiming Brahui has no Dravidian connection. I have seen lots of wannable White Pakistanis trying to prove that they have no connection with Indians since Indians are Dravidians.

oh and oye bharati why dont you tell that i was saying that Balochs ARE NOT NEVER were hindus. and you indian Hindus came with claim that since brahui a language spoken in Balochistan shows that they are Hindus.

I'm sorry but this is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen. India is one of the most, if not the most diverse, nation on the planet. It is a melting pot of different races,religions, colours etc- you'll find Mundirs next to Mosques, next to A Church and opposite a Gurdwara.


According to this survey India is the most racist nation surveyed?

If Indians are so racist why is a WHITE, Italian born, Catholic arguably the most powerful person in the country?

And I'd say that in the West you're not going to get many people admit to being racist it's not "politically correct".

Correction : If India is NOT racist why the Whit Italian Born is still NOT considered as Indian and was barred from becoming PM?

and still why she is called italian ***** and ****** and so on by Indians?

 

[pk_baloch]

oh and oye bharati why dont you tell that i was saying that Balochs ARE NOT NEVER were hindus. and you indian Hindus came with claim that since brahui a language spoken in Balochistan shows that they are Hindus.

not only aryans even dravidians were not hindus and dravidans of pakistan were not indians ...
by the way read this ......this article is becoming famous world wide ....


Some called it an artificial creation while others grieved on the vivisection of an ancient land. Yet, no one realized on that fateful night of 14th of August in 1947, that an ancient land has resurrected itself from the ashes of a lost civilization. That night the people of Meluhha came to life again as Pakistan. It was celebrated as an emergence of a new nation on the world map, least realizing that with minor differences in boundaries, the map which housed the people of Meluhha for over 9000 years, simply reclaimed its heritage as Pakistan. Meluhha were the people of Indus Valley Civilization.

The sub-continent has geographically been divided into two major regions since thousands of years; the Indus Valley with its tributaries and the Ganges Valley with its tributaries, separated by the watershed created by Gurdaspur-Kathiawar Salient. The maps of these two regions roughly align with the maps of present day Pakistan and India.

Historically also these two regions have remained separate entities for most part of known history. The only period when these two regions even remained as one political unit in over 9000 years of known history, were during the era of Mauryan, Muslim and British rule. The major historic difference between the two regions was that while the people of Indus Valley created one of the oldest unified civilizations of the world and those of Ganges Valley remained separated and segregated. The Two Nations Theory which became one of the founding principles of creation of Pakistan and partition of British India in 1947, in historical hindsight, helped create status quo ante where history merely repeated itself.

During 1920s when the excavations at Harappa (Punjab, Pakistan) began, despite the veil of obscurity, British Indian establishment called Indus Valley Civilization as Indian civilization. However, later research and emergence of additional archeological, geological, historical and genetic evidence cleared much of the ambiguity. It was confirmed that not only the core of this civilization lay in modern day Pakistan but the civilization itself had its mooring deeply embedded there. And therefore it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the people of Pakistan are the true embodiment of the ancient Meluhha.

The true impact of this great civilization can not be ascertained only through its intrinsic and internal virtues. The influence it had, which profoundly impacted and transformed the later world, can only be understood in its entirety through identifying and recognizing its linkages with religio-political evolutionary progression and subsequent development and growth. The linkages of Indus Valley Civilization with Sumer (Mesopotamia), ancient Egypt and Central Asia are accepted archeological and historical facts as does the overlap in time period of existence of these civilizations. Thus the occurrence of major events of historical impact and value related to that era can not be isolated to only one of these civilizations alone.

Major events of religio-political virtue impacted the period of existence of Indus Valley Civilization (7000 – 1300) which peaked between 3000 – 2000 BC and having declined from 1900 BC onwards till losing its trace around 1300 BC. This time period was laden with probable emergence of Prophets Nuh (Noah), Hud (Eber), Saleh (Shela) and certainly according to most scholars, the emergence of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) around 2000 BC, till Prophets Musa (Moses) 1436 – 1316 BC and Haroon (Aaron) 1439 – 1317 BC. All these Prophets spread the belief in one God (monotheism) and interestingly, as accepted by most scholars, the people of Indus Valley Civilization were the only ones who believed in monotheism out of the three contemporary civilizations.

The unified system of governance and integrated and fused economic system, peaceful nature of living and lack of identifiable war fighting and war material, the remarkably similar construction and construction methodology and unified measuring system, all point towards a unitary and inclusive way of life. In addition to this, the absence of religious places and temples, lack of clearly identifiable deities and other polytheist artifacts are but some of the examples that make Indus Valley Civilization one of the few known civilizations of that era to have practiced monotheism. This also is reflective of the fact that monotheism acted as a unifying, integrated and a cohesive societal influence impacting the people of Indus Valley Civilization.

The linkages and influence, people of this civilization had with Sumer (Mesopotamia) are fairly well pronounced. Surprisingly though, such influences are also more pronounced by the absence of Mesopotamian linkages with Indus Valley. This is reflective of their maturity and also highlights their resolve in maintaining societal independence against foreign influences, wherein the practice of monotheism was upheld against polytheism practiced in the adjoining contemporary civilizations, despite the regular contacts and interactions even through enhanced trade linkages.

This also brings out the question as to why these people practiced monotheism when the other contemporary civilizations practiced polytheism. One may find the answer within the known historical aspects related to the spread of early monotheism. The time period of its emergence, its precursor, the peak and the decline of Indus Valley Civilization clearly relates it to the probable known historical influence of Prophets of that era, who spread monotheism. The possibility that there may have been a Prophet present amongst them, whose influence chartered the course of this remarkable civilization, can not be thus completely ruled out.

These societal influences may also help solve the riddle as to why this civilization started declining after 1900 BC. Were there any linkages between the birth of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham) around 2000 BC in Sumer (Mesopotamia), who also spread monotheism. If such a probability has a measure of belief, the priests, the governing elite and a part of the population may have migrated to Sumer (Mesopotamia) after the news of Prophet Ibrahim’s (Abraham) proclamations would have reached Indus Valley. The remaining population, leaving those who could not and did not follow them to Sumer in search of Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham), were left ungoverned and thus initiated the gradual collapse of Indus Valley Civilization which many have attributed to various natural calamities, indications of which have never been confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt.

After the decline and fading out of Indus Valley Civilization, it took many more centuries in formation of an alternative local culture and life style. This apparently took the form of ancient Vedic Hindu culture which emerged during its declining period or after the civilization had faded out. The influence was quite apparent in the then emerging Vedic Hindu culture and was pronounced by the fact that it also propagated monotheism in its earlier instance, which however was later diluted to polytheism.

It took many more centuries to bring the Ganges Valley and its adjoining planes under this new found influence. Monotheism, though in a different format, did stretch its wings again and again during the course of later history, in the form of Buddhism, Jainism and Sikhism, though majority continued to revert back or follow Vedic Hindu culture. The arrival of Muslims however, effected a gradual and major change and the people of Indus Valley Civilization again accepted the virtues of monotheism which they had followed thousands of years earlier.

It was this civilizational clash between monotheism and polytheism which brought to fore the Meluhha in the form of Pakistan in 1947 and re-enacted it as an embodiment of a long lost great civilization.

 

[INDIC]

oh and oye bharati why dont you tell that i was saying that Balochs ARE NOT NEVER were hindus. and you indian Hindus came with claim that since brahui a language spoken in Balochistan shows that they are Hindus.

Now you are changing Dravidian word into Hindus. you claimed that Brahui people had no connection with Dravidians.

 

[Thirdfront]

pakhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ok you bharatis or for that you bharati hindus are ALL ARYANS

happy. ok come back to the topic will you.

and whats with being athletic or not?

That is what you got from my reply? I mean, I clearly said "both aryans and dravidians are hindus"...
ny ways, just curious about how much calories you are burning daily by jumping up and down in all threads... have some descent discussion for PDFs sake...

 

[INDIC]

Here is research of your own institute Study throws light on genetic diversity of Indian population - The Hindu

Its true there were two races. Now, there are two language families in the North and the South.

 

[GoodBoy]

That is what you got from my reply? I mean, I clearly said "both aryans and dravidians are hindus"...
ny ways, just curious about how much calories you are burning daily by jumping up and down in all threads... have some descent discussion for PDFs sake...

Burning calories on PDF is her daily workout regime and it's funny how much hatred and frustration she has inside her.

 

[Spring Onion]

This is from 2012 The Hindu




Most Indians think racism exists only in the West and see themselves as victims. It's time they examined their own attitudes towards people from the country's North-East

The mysterious death of Loitam Richard in Bangalore, the murder of Ramchanphy Hongray in New Delhi, the suicide by Dana Sangma and other such incidents serve as reminders of the insecure conditions under which people, particularly the young, from the north-east of India have to live with in the metros of this country. What these deaths have in common is that the three individuals were all from a certain part of the country, had a “particular” physical appearance, and were seen as outsiders in the places they died. These incidents have been read as a symptom of the pervasive racial discrimination that people from the region face in metropolitan India.

An institutionalised form

Quite expectedly, such an assertion about the existence of racism in India will not be taken seriously; the response will be to either remain silent and refuse to acknowledge this form of racism or, fiercely, to reject it. Ironically, most Indians see racism as a phenomenon that exists in other countries, particularly in the West, and without fail, see themselves as victims. They do not see themselves harbouring (potentially) racist attitudes and behaviour towards others whom they see as inferior.

But time and again, various groups of people, particularly from the north-east have experienced forms of racial discrimination and highlighted the practice of racism in India. In fact, institutionalised racism has been as much on the rise as cases of everyday racism in society.

In a case of racial profiling, the University of Hyderabad chose to launch its 2011 “initiative” to curb drinking and drug use on campus by working with students from the north-east. In 2007, the Delhi Police decided to solve the problems of security faced by the north-easterners in Delhi, particularly women, by coming up with a booklet entitled Security Tips for North East Students asking north-eastern women not to wear “revealing dresses” and gave kitchen tips on preparing bamboo shoot, akhuni, and “other smelly dishes” without “creating ruckus in neighbourhood.”

BRICS summit

Very recently, in the run-up to the BRICS summit in New Delhi, the Delhi Police's motto of “citizens first” was on full display, when they arrested or put under preventive detention the non-citizens — the Tibetan refugees. But the real problem for the security personnel cropped up when they had to identity Tibetans on the streets of Delhi. This problem for the state forces was compounded by the fact that Delhi now has a substantial migrant population from the north-east whose physical features could be quite similar to those of Tibetans. So, the forces went about raiding random places in Delhi, questioning and detaining people from the region. North-eastern individuals travelling in vehicles, public transport, others at their workplaces, and so on all became suspects.

Many were asked to produce their passports or other documents to prove that, indeed, they were Indian citizens and not refugee Tibetans. In some cases, “authentic” Indians had to intervene in order to endorse and become guarantors of the authenticity of the nationality of these north-easterners. The situation became farcical and caught the attention of the judiciary reportedly after two lawyers from the region were interrogated and harassed. The Delhi High Court directed the Delhi police not to harass people from the north-east and Ladakh. How much easier it would have been for the Delhi Police, if only citizenship and physiognomy matched perfectly.

But should one expect otherwise from these state and public institutions, given the fact that racism is rampant at the level of societal everyday experiences? For north-easterners who look in a particular manner, everyday living in Indian cities can be a gruelling experience. Be it the mundane overcharging of fares by autoricksaw-wallahs, shopkeepers and landlords, the verbal abuse on the streets and the snide remarks of colleagues, friends, teachers, or the more extreme experiences of physical and sexual assaults. It is often a never-ending nightmare, a chronicle of repetitive experience.

One also wonders if racial attitudes, if not outright racism, influence many more aspects of life than one imagines. For instance, whether there is any racial profiling of employment opportunities, given the concentration of jobs for north-easterners mostly in the hospitality sector, young women in beauty salons, restaurants and as shop assistants.

Visible and unseen

Of course, racism is difficult to prove — whether in the death of Richard or in the case of harassment of a woman from the north-east. And it should not surprise us if racism cannot be clearly established in either of these cases because that's how racism works — both the visible, explicit manifestations as well as the insidious, unseen machinations. Quite often, one can't even recount exactly what was wrong about the way in which a co-passenger behaved, difficult to articulate a sneer, a tone of voice that threatened or taunted, the cultural connotations that can infuriate.

How does one prove that when an autorickshaw driver asks a north-easterner on the streets of Delhi if he or she is going to Majnu ka Tila, a Tibetan refugee colony, that the former is reproducing a common practice of racial profiling? This remark could be doubly interpreted if made to a woman from the region — both racial and gendered. How do I prove racism when a young co-passenger on the Delhi Metro plays “Chinese” sounding music on his mobile, telling his friend that he is providing, “background music,” sneering and laughing in my direction? And what one cannot retell in the language of evidence, becomes difficult to prove. Racism is most often felt, perceived, like an invisible wound, difficult to articulate or recall in the language of the law or evidence. In that sense, everyday forms of racism are more experiential rather than an objectively identifiable situation.

Of course, every once in a while, there will be an incident of extreme, outrageous violence that is transparently racial in nature and we will rally around and voice our anger but it is these insidious, everyday forms of racial discrimination that bruise the body and the mind, build up anger and frustration. Fighting these everyday humiliations exhausts our attempts at expression.

If one is serious about fighting racial discrimination, this is where rules must change — by proving to us that in Richard's death there was no element of racism. Given the pervasiveness of racism in everyday life, why should we listen when we are told that those who fought with him over a TV remote were immune to it?

To recognise that racism exists in this country and that many unintended actions might emanate from racism can be a good place to start fighting the problem. To be oblivious of these issues or to deny its existence is to be complicit in the discriminatory regime. Also, the reason for fighting against racism is not because it is practised against “our” own citizens but because it is wrong regardless of whether the victims of racism are citizens of the country or not. One way to be critical of racism is to recognise and make visible the presence of racism rather than merely resorting to legalistic means to curb this discrimination.

(Yengkhom Jilangamba is a Visiting Associate Fellow at the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies, Delhi.)

Let's stop pretending there's no racism in India - The Hindu