India 'too late' in artillery modernisation: Army chief

[kashith]

Pakistans total budget is around almost 10 billion$ plus billion or 2 come from coalition fund plus we get military hardware in foriegn assistence .......total around 12 billion$.....30% rise may follow in mid of this year so 14-15 billion $$....our army ratio is far wider
1:3 or 4 soldier......
How many cj-17 are u buyin???
each costs 202 million......

total deal is close to 2.8 billion with the 5 billion figure to represent the total life cycle cost...including maintenance and spares.we are buying 10 c-17

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

So you point is who ever developing something is yours!!! Chinese means yours.. Turkish means yours.. French means yours....

Turkish T-129
Chinese attack heli
French Tiger
US Super cobra

Why left others? Why can't Pakistan get Rooivalk from SA? In that theory India have Super Cobra, Ka-52, Longbow, Tiger, Rooivalk etc etc because if India wants can get all of them. And as 'Pakistan Nationalist' we can start comparing cobra with all of them.

Another troll?
Compaire wat u have...
i replied to ur last post.....and looks like ur just embarassed and frustrated.
Go through my post again.
I said We will HAVE super cobra my 2015.
ATAK T 129 is already in evaluation
We already have 54 plus vipers.
several(more then a dozenor even 24 unclear number coz of army secrecy)Fennecs
18 on order eurocopters

 

[KS]

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Oops, i smell burnt vegies

wats there in ur 300 t-90s tht our 500 AKs dont have?

300 t-90s....??!!

India operated currently abt 700 t-90s and another 1000 is to be built in India.

. Lol the crappy, troll mentality of a typical indian?
u never had good arty......

is that y ur country got split into two aprts in 71 and lost more territory than India in 65 war..?

Another thing....these things were paid on cash... only a nutless monkey can say wat u said....

Only a nutless monkey will say that Pakistan pays for its defence imports.U buy majority of weapons either by sellers credit from papa China or as free aid from Unkil for WOT.

.P8I????ISNT THT NAVY???
08 PC-3 waith hawk eye 2000 radars and latest avionics for PN...
LOL

U high or wat..?P-8 is simultaneously given to India as to US navy...So u can decide which is better P-3 or P-8..nd u r getting hawkeye2000..?? hahaha we r getting E-2D sentry..gogole to find out wich is better.

Good news for indian airforce now tht il have 4 c-17s to replace russian junk

Ignorance at its stupid best.

P.S=Ur mentality and grammer suck.

If u look at ur posts u can see that it is ur grammar and spellings that suck.

I said We will HAVE super cobra my 2015.
ATAK T 129 is already in evaluation

We will have Apache longbow in 2015,...pls dont tell super cobra is better than Apche jus because Pakistan operates them.

We already have 54 plus vipers.
several(more then a dozenor even 24 unclear number coz of army secrecy)Fennecs
18 on order eurocopters

Sources for Eurocopter....Otherwise ill also tel India has ordered raptors...

 

[farhan_9909]

our budget is very huge for our miliatry
vt almost our budget is spended in the operations..Us only provided 11Bn since 2005 and we total spened including the us aid 35 Bn on the war on terror(search in google you will find the news)

nt only US we hav many partner for military hardware
like france,china,germnay,
we can buy rafale frm france and they will agree if we pay them cash..
france offered us the marlin class sub and at the same time they offered you the scorpene wher as the marlin class share tech with barrcauda subs too

 

[gurjot]

dude do you knw how much defence budget of pak is now?2010,,

its more then your i can prove this

anyway tell a single reason,also if u r doing so then it will be the best as i will get something ,which never happened and far away frm thinking

 

[kashith]

37 billion?

your defence budget is between 30-32bn..
your army is 2 times larger then us,air force personals near three times..navy 3 times..

wher as your defence budget is 3 times larger then us..and will increase to 12-13 Bn by june...

it means we can buy anything we want in small numbers like israel.
let suppose if we spend only 4 Billion on Af frm the 12Bn
s we can buy about 15 rafale,can manufacture 20-25 jf-17,can buy misile and many otehr air force stff only in this 4 bn..

Thing is would that be a game changer?i mean we might spend another 2-3 billion if the situation would appear as a game changer to MOD.remember India buying 1000 T-90s from Russia when you got T-80???an advantage of a bigger economy i guess.This is why India is behind China.
a simple mathematical equation would be(economy wise)
Pakistan x 3<India x 3<China x 3 <USA

 

[farhan_9909]

ok wait then
i will do it and post it tomorrow.its very simple..i check your current defence budget is 30 Bn for 2010-11,
and our currently is 9.5Bn nt including the american aid.
now compare your total troops and paksitan total troops then compare the budget..
if you dnt understand leave reply

too late am going to sleep

 

[kashith]

our budget is very huge for our miliatry
vt almost our budget is spended in the operations..Us only provided 11Bn since 2005 and we total spened including the us aid 35 Bn on the war on terror(search in google you will find the news)

nt only US we hav many partner for military hardware
like france,china,germnay,
we can buy rafale frm france and they will agree if we pay them cash..
france offered us the marlin class sub and at the same time they offered you the scorpene wher as the marlin class share tech with barrcauda subs too

thing is would the situtation remain the same for PA after WOT? a 11 Bn grant is no joke.what about that?
China is the only country which would give seller's credit,and as for paying for subs,that would be a difficult propositions at the economic conditions.
well not digressing much,True,time has been lost,but nothing a few extra bucks wont solve

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

300 t-90s....??!!

India operated currently abt 700 t-90s and another 1000 is to be built in India.

Links?
or it never happened?where the proof tht 700 are in service??

is that y ur country got split into two aprts in 71 and lost more territory than India in 65 war..?

If there was no civil war,russian support.wat then?
65 Still we made u beg for a cease fire in tashkent?u lost half ur airforce?
Do u think u won Try celebrating 48,65 lol world will laugh at u.
Pathetic

Only a nutless monkey will say that Pakistan pays for its defence imports.U buy majority of weapons either by sellers credit from papa China or as free aid from Unkil for WOT.

So ur mama paid for our F-16s? 150 plus M109A5s?4 tankers?
Sellers credit is also paid in the end.......maybe u dont pay ur russian or israeli illegitemate fathers?
A nutless AIDs infected monkey cant understand wat sellers credit means....or US doesnt do buissness on sellers credit.

U high or wat..?P-8 is simultaneously given to India as to US navy...So u can decide which is better P-3 or P-8..nd u r getting hawkeye2000..?? hahaha we r getting E-2D sentry..gogole to find out wich is better

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http://www.forum.********************/lofiversion/index.php/t61430.html

http://www.deagel.com/AEWandC-ISR-and-EW-Aircraft/Hawkeye-2000_a000554002.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P-3_Orion


Lol diversions and derailing threads is wat u indins can do.

Ignorance at its stupid best.

Ok jamal

If u look at ur posts u can see that it is ur grammar and spellings that suck.

Ring any bells?

Unkil for WOT

ThaanKU cum agan.

We will have Apache longbow in 2015,...pls dont tell super cobra is better than Apche jus because Pakistan operates them.

LOL looks like LCH junk failed again...lol hahahha...wat abt ATAK T 129???

Sources for Eurocopter....Otherwise ill also tel India has ordered raptors...

Sorry son u can google tht u....or see for urself when they arive....PAK ARMY doesnt advirtise every little thing like indian fanboys.....
LOL Indians are claiming su 30 is on par with F-22 lol so its gone...lol hahahahah

 

[kashith]

ok wait then
i will do it and post it tomorrow.its very simple..i check your current defence budget is 30 Bn for 2010-11,
and our currently is 9.5Bn nt including the american aid.
now compare your total troops and paksitan total troops then compare the budget..
if you dnt understand leave reply

too late am going to sleep

good night...

 

[gurjot]

37 billion?

your defence budget is between 30-32bn..
your army is 2 times larger then us,air force personals near three times..navy 3 times..

wher as your defence budget is 3 times larger then us..and will increase to 12-13 Bn by june...

it means we can buy anything we want in small numbers like israel.
let suppose if we spend only 4 Billion on Af frm the 12Bn
s we can buy about 15 rafale,can manufacture 20-25 jf-17,can buy misile and many otehr air force stff only in this 4 bn..

if this is a matter,then next year india will increase the budget more than 40 bln dollars,which will keep both pak and u.s happy

 

[KS]

Links?
or it never happened?where the proof tht 700 are in service??

y asking me links..have u provided any links for all the stupid claims u make..? that is reciprocated..

If there was no civil war,russian support.wat then?
65 Still we made u beg for a cease fire in tashkent?u lost half ur airforce?
Do u think u won
Pathetic

Ha ithought after all these days in PDF it was RAW which started the civil war....Glad u admitted it was Pakistans fault that the civil war happened.
U made us to beg for ceasefire..?..u made my day..

read this :
* According to the United States Library of Congress Country Studies:

The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.[52]

* TIME magazine reported that India held 690 mi2 of Pakistan territory while Pakistan held 250 mi2 of Indian territory in Kashmir and Rajasthan. Additionally, Pakistan had lost almost half its armour temporarily.[53] The same article stated that -

Severely mauled by the larger Indian armed forces, Pakistan could continue the fight only by teaming up with Red China and turning its back on the U.N.

* Devin T. Hagerty wrote in his book "South Asia in world politics"[54] –

The invading Indian forces outfought their Pakistani counterparts and halted their attack on the outskirts of Lahore, Pakistan's second-largest city. By the time United Nations intervened on September 22, Pakistan had suffered a clear defeat.

* In his book "National identity and geopolitical visions",[55] Gertjan Dijkink writes –

The superior Indian forces, however, won a decisive victory and the army could have even marched on into Pakistani territory had external pressure not forced both combatants to cease their war efforts.

* An excerpt from Stanley Wolpert's India,[56] summarizing the Indo-Pakistani War of 1965, is as follows:

In three weeks the second Indo-Pak War ended in what appeared to be a draw when the embargo placed by Washington on U.S. ammunition and replacements for both armies forced cessation of conflict before either side won a clear victory. India, however, was in a position to inflict grave damage to, if not capture, Pakistan's capital of the Punjab when the cease-fire was called, and controlled Kashmir's strategic Uri-Poonch bulge, much to Ayub's chagrin.

* In his book titled The greater game: India's race with destiny and China, David Van Praagh wrote[57] –

India won the war. It gained 1,840 square kilometers of Pakistani territory: 640 square kilometers in Azad Kashmir, Pakistan's portion of the state; 460 square kilometers of the Sailkot sector; 380 square kilometers far to the south of Sindh; and most critical, 360 square kilometers on the Lahore front. Pakistan took 540 square kilometers of Indian territory: 490 square kilometers in the Chhamb sector and 50 square kilometers around Khem Karan.

* Dennis Kux's "India and the United States estranged democracies" also provides a summary of the war.[58]

Although both sides lost heavily in men and materiel, and neither gained a decisive military advantage, India had the better of the war. New Delhi achieved its basic goal of thwarting Pakistan's attempt to seize Kashmir by force. Pakistan gained nothing from a conflict which it had instigated.

* "A region in turmoil: South Asian conflicts since 1947" by Robert Johnson mentions[59] –

India's strategic aims were modest – it aimed to deny Pakistani Army victory, although it ended up in possession of 720 square miles of Pakistani territory for the loss of just 220 of its own.

* An excerpt from William M. Carpenter and David G. Wiencek's "Asian security handbook: terrorism and the new security environment"[60] –

A brief but furious 1965 war with India began with a covert Pakistani thrust across the Kashmiri cease-fire line and ended up with the city of Lahore threatened with encirclement by Indian Army. Another UN-sponsored cease-fire left borders unchanged, but Pakistan's vulnerability had again been exposed.

* English historian John Keay's "India: A History" provides a summary of the 1965 war[61] –

The 1965 Indo-Pak war lasted barely a month. Pakistan made gains in the Rajasthan desert but its main push against India's Jammu-Srinagar road link was repulsed and Indian tanks advanced to within a sight of Lahore. Both sides claimed victory but India had most to celebrate.

* Uk Heo and Shale Asher Horowitz write in their book "Conflict in Asia: Korea, China-Taiwan, and India-Pakistan"[62] –

Again India appeared, logistically at least, to be in a superior position but neither side was able to mobilize enough strength to gain a decisive victory.

Busted.

So ur mama paid for our F-16s? 150 plus M109A5s?4 tankers?
Sellers credit is also paid in the end.......maybe u dont pay ur russian or israeli illegitemate fathers?
A nutless monkey cant understand wat sellers credit

Delusional rant aimed at saving face.


I again repeat..

P-8 is simultaneously given to India as to US navy...So u can decide which is better P-3 or P-8..nd u r getting hawkeye2000..?? hahaha we r getting E-2D sentry..gogole to find out wich is better.


We will have Apache longbow in 2015,...pls dont tell super cobra is better than Apche jus because Pakistan operates them.



Sources for Eurocopter....Otherwise ill also tel India has ordered raptors...

 

[gurjot]

Links?
or it never happened?where the proof tht 700 are in service??





If there was no civil war,russian support.wat then?
65 Still we made u beg for a cease fire in tashkent?u lost half ur airforce?
Do u think u won Try celebrating 48,65 lol world will laugh at u.
Pathetic



So ur mama paid for our F-16s? 150 plus M109A5s?4 tankers?
Sellers credit is also paid in the end.......maybe u dont pay ur russian or israeli illegitemate fathers?
A nutless AIDs infected monkey cant understand wat sellers credit means....or US doesnt do buissness on sellers credit.


U.

Pakistani Defence Forum > Usa Will Sell 3 Pc-3 Orions To Pakistan.

Hawkeye 2000

P-3 Orion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Lol diversions and derailing threads is wat u indins can do.



Ok jamal



ThaanKU cum agan.





LOL looks like LCH junk failed again...lol hahahha...wat abt ATAK T 129???


Sorry son u can google tht u....or see for urself when they arive....PAK ARMY doesnt advirtise every little thing like indian fanboys.....
LOL Indians are claiming su 30 is on par with F-22 lol so its gone...lol hahahahah

c who beg to ceasefire in tashkent,and c y u.s is imp 4 u.have u ever thought y u always go 4 u.s hardware coz u.s wants the money wat u r going to spend,u.s wants money 4 the hardware .it makes pak reliable on both sides.firstly take money frm u.s and returning money back to u.s.

 

[Kinetic]

Another troll?
Compaire wat u have...

Go through my post again.
I said We will HAVE super cobra my 2015.
ATAK T 129 is already in evaluation
We already have 54 plus vipers.
several(more then a dozenor even 24 unclear number coz of army secrecy)Fennecs
18 on order eurocopters

Stop talking about what you are evaluating. India also evaluating AH-64D, now are we talking about that? lol

Indian upgraded Mi-24/35 are much better than Pakistani Cobra in terms of sensors and firepower.

i replied to ur last post.....and looks like ur just embarassed and frustrated.

Tell me who was busted? You are the one who claimed India doesn't have any SPG. Busted! You are the one who claimed India have 300000 INSAS but I put with source that it is nearly1000000. Again busted.

 

[xMustiiej70]

We will have Apache longbow in 2015,...pls dont tell super cobra is better than Apche jus because Pakistan operates them.

Accourding to the specs of Atak T-129 It will be the most modern and best helicopter in its catogory which is attack helicopter.
Accourding to specs and italy.