India to test subsonic cruise missile in February

[Safriz]

Su 30 has a capacity for an 8 ton weapons load. Air launched Brahmos weighs 2500 kg. So a Su 30 should be able to tak 3 Brahmos.

The problem is airframe not the weight itself..
carrying 2.5 tons on one pylon isnt what the aircraft is built for

 

[MilSpec]

Su 30 has a capacity for an 8 ton weapons load. Air launched Brahmos weighs 2500 kg. So a Su 30 should be able to tak 3 Brahmos.

two configuration on MKI where it will only carry one on center pylon.... or two on the inboard wing pylons with center empty.

 

[trident2010]

The first question should be..
Can it carry itself or not? as in..can it fly?

Later after this test has been completed then you can worry about warheads...

First thing is, No one asked "you" the question so keep your suggestion to your self.

Later, does Nirbhay carry nukes?

 

[sepoi]

probably you are right.now can u guess the fate of that US stealth state of art UAV that downed by the iran? is it in chengdu now ?

Not history, rest was Chinese

i heard that the j-20 technology came from the serbia ,when serbian missile down one f-117 stealth fighter at 2nd balkan war. no sure

stealing technology is a great benifit.no research ,no funding, no hard work just get it almost free like 20 rps windows 8 dvd .the russian t-72 tank you are using now is an american tank.this is one of the most famous technology stealing incident done by the KGB. after then the usa completely cancelled the project and start a new research.the abrahams tank is the result. Amazing isnt it

 

[IND151]

So finally india is playing catch up with Pakistan's cruise missile technology.

It is possible that The Nirbhay is under development and already tested from many years but due some factors GOI kept it under wraps and decided to unveil it slow in systematic manner

The main reason could be its range. If my guess is right the current version has 1000 to 1200 KM range(confirmed by many sources) but it could be 2000 KM for upcoming version of Nirbhay.

The 750 KM range version mentioned in OP could be conventionally armed smaller ALCM vesrion meant be carrid by Jaguar Daren III, as mentioned by P.K Sengupta.

OR

They are deliberately making contradictory claims and understating range to downplay its capacity.

 

[IND151]

both do the same job...

CM 400 warhead weighs 70 to 90 Kg

on other hands Brahmos warhead weighs 200KG (300 KG for ALCM version)

Due to its weight, speed and warhead the kinetic impact and damage created by Brahmos will be much more than CM 400

 

[Safriz]

http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-air-force/221101-cm-400akg-pakistans-supersonic-carrier-killer-2.html


CM-400 carries 400 kg warhead and comes with satellite navigation built in and other sensors/guidence systems.
The claimed impact velocity at maximum range is mach 5.5,so the kinetic energy plus warhead has equivalent destructive force than Brahmos.
Only at much lower cost and a bit reduced range. But a small plane JF-17 Can carry two of these , leaving Brahmos even further behind.
Thats super/hyper sonic missile capability dealt with...

Now lets see what India comes up with in subsonic missiles regime...and if it will be any better than Babur and Raad.

 

[The Deterrent]

Pakistan have only land attack version of babur but India developing all (land, air or sub launch) verients of Nirbhay.
You got technology for only land version so you made it what about others ????

That is not true. Ra'ad ALCM is very much an aircraft-deliverable version of the Babur GLCM. Just like India, Pakistan is also developing the SLCM version of Babur.

 

[GURU DUTT]

well nirbhey has already made many tests unkown to general publik over the years and most of its sysytems have long been watered down in face of shaurya among others dont worry many will be amazed keep your fingers crossed

as for Raad & babur well they are as paksiatni as the JF17 so dont question it its plain pakistanies have them in large nos but dont loose heart we khair jane do

 

[Safriz]

SS-N-27 (Klub class)missile married with TRDD-50 and you got 'le indigenous' nirbhay.

 

[janon]

Su 30 has a capacity for an 8 ton weapons load. Air launched Brahmos weighs 2500 kg. So a Su 30 should be able to tak 3 Brahmos.

I don't think it works like that. The 8 ton payload is only when distributed across 12 hardpoints. If they try to put 2.5 tonnes on one hardpoint, it will put unbearable stresses on the airframe. Hence the need for airframe strengthening.

Although the TOTAL payload capacity of an MKI is 8 tonnes, the capacity of an individual point will be less than one tonne.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I don't think it works like that. The 8 ton payload is only when distributed across 12 hardpoints. If they try to put 2.5 tonnes on one hardpoint, it will put unbearable stresses on the airframe. Hence the need for airframe strengthening.

Although the TOTAL payload capacity of an MKI is 8 tonnes, the capacity of an individual point will be less than one tonne.

You do not seem to understand what @Penguin is saying. The under-wing hard points have less load bearing abilities. The under-fuselage has far more. Consider this point- the fuselage is the strongest part of the aircraft; it supports the even the engines, wings (and the loads on under-wing hard points). Hence the load of the Brahmos can be easily under-fuselage borne; plus its well within the 8 tonne stores payload limit of the aircraft.

That ought to help?

 

[janon]

You do not seem to understand what @Penguin is saying. The under-wing hard points have less load bearing abilities. The under-fuselage has far more. Consider this point- the fuselage is the strongest part of the aircraft; it supports the even the engines, wings (and the loads on under-wing hard points). Hence the load of the Brahmos can be easily under-fuselage borne; plus its well within the 8 tonne stores payload limit of the aircraft.

That ought to help?

Well but it is a fact that some of the MKIs are being sent to Russia for airframe strengthening to give it the ability to carry the Brahmos under the fuselage, right?

Or are you saying that after this strengthening, the MKI will be able to carry 3 brahmos?

At present the brahmos cannot be carried by the MKI, isn't that right? The fuselage is the strongest part, but for the very reason you mentioned - that it already has to support the weight of the engines, wings and the loads of other hardpoints - it cannot carry another 2.5 tonnes unless it is further strengthened.

That is my guess. Otherwise, I don't understand why the MKIs are being sent to Russia for strengthening.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

The problem is airframe not the weight itself..
carrying 2.5 tons on one pylon isnt what the aircraft is built for

Is that what @Penguin is saying. Where the suspension position is makes a huge difference; whether under-wing or under-fuselage!

 

[Penguin]

So How Su30 will protect itself with no BVr or Wvr weapons May be with AK47.

I´m sure it would not fly alone, but as part of a package. Other aircraft could be assigned to ride shotgun. The initial question related to the number of full-size Brahmos he Su-30 could carry, not wether that would be the ideal operational load-out.

Without taking into account the difference between tonnes and tons ( see http://grammarist.com/spelling/ton-tonne/ ) , suffice to say R-77 weighs 175kg and R-73 weighs 105kg. So a pair of each weighs together 560 kg. Brahmos weighs 2,500 kg (air-launched). So, 3x 2500 equals 7500kg plus 560 is 8060 kg.

Su/30mki is said to be able to carry large (up to 8,000 kg/ 17,650 lb) and diverse weapon loads over a very good unrefueled radius (more than 700 nm) for strike missions. http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/malaysia-receives-first-2-su30mkms-03336/

I´m sure it could manage 8060kg at the cost of a couple of nm in strike range....

You do not seem to understand what @Penguin is saying. The under-wing hard points have less load bearing abilities. The under-fuselage has far more. Consider this point- the fuselage is the strongest part of the aircraft; it supports the even the engines, wings (and the loads on under-wing hard points). Hence the load of the Brahmos can be easily under-fuselage borne; plus its well within the 8 tonne stores payload limit of the aircraft.

That ought to help?

Su-30 can carry a 4 ton Moskit on the centerline....