India to buy 60-63 Rafales jets off the shelf from France; MMRCA deal off:

[AMCA]

I'm surprised at the scared reaction of the Indian fanboys. Sounds like they've woken up to the reality of the MMRCA flop saga... just like they woke up to the LCA - Flying Rickshaws.

I don't think Pakistan has restricted any country from importing the JF-17 Thunder, so, if the push comes to shove there's always that option for India.

Lol, thats the biggest Joke I've ever heard. The Kaveri engine that you people call "FAILED" has better ergonomics and performance than what powers your flagship aircraft. Speaks a lot about the sacrifice your forces have done to get something into their bowls.

LCA on the other hand is an evolution of Indian Engineering. Your nation can only dream of building something like this, unless Chinese do it for you and give you kits to assemble.

 

[JohnyD]

where the heck is much hyped TOT ,,and what abt Make In India?

 

[axisofevil]

Quick probing question. The UAE and other Guld nations typically don't make a move on fighter jet selection only after India does. Is there something more to it? They trust India will do a great job examining all the pro's and con's and thus their final selection will be a worthy jet?


The other issue is how the UAE and other Gulf nations allow Pakistani's to fly their jets and engage in training. How will this affect India?

 

[jamahir]

Are you serious ?
Waste of billions when farmers are out there suiciding

i was being sarcastic... i was too tired then to post links to different things, including farmer suicides and the tag of "suicide capital of the world".

 

[indianBong]

Lol, thats the biggest Joke I've ever heard. The Kaveri engine that you people call "FAILED" has better ergonomics and performance than what powers your flagship aircraft. Speaks a lot about the sacrifice your forces have done to get something into their bowls.

LCA on the other hand is an evolution of Indian Engineering. Your nation can only dream of building something like this, unless Chinese do it for you and give you kits to assemble.

@Abingdonboy you people are forgetting they have a 10th gen aircraft which can bring down aircraft carrier, ballistic missile , heck even mangalayan from mars...... raphale is a kid in front of it..... so plzz accept that we are a failure.....

I'm surprised at the scared reaction of the Indian fanboys. Sounds like they've woken up to the reality of the MMRCA flop saga... just like they woke up to the LCA - Flying Rickshaws.

I don't think Pakistan has restricted any country from importing the JF-17 Thunder, so, if the push comes to shove there's always that option for India.

These number of Rafael are too low to make any impact.
More over Pakistan was not really kept in frame of mind for Rafael.

The whole Pakistani doctrine of minimum attack maximum defence is perfect. No matter how much india try to increase number once in the Pakistani territory their radar and most importantly better pilot. Will come in framework. In dog fights it's a Pakistani edge.

when 36 rafale won't create any impact to pak airforce.... then why do you people open threads like these... with everyone so tensed about only 36 rafale.......
Option's for PAF ?

 

[Mustang06]

Which all weapons would be bought in the package?
And what about pilot training?

 

[SamantK]

I think it is opposite.

Had it been 63 , there was a high chance of MMRCA being dead as 63 is a sustainable number.

But 36 does not even make economic and operational sense for IAF. There is a very high chance that MMRCA is on but there are some technicalities left to be sorted out. With these 36 aircraft ordered, India could sort out those issues in sweet time.

What I meant is MMRCA in the current format is dead, Modi has brought with him a face saver and a chance to take up on offer any other jet, think of it. French can't complain we dint buy jets from them.

 

[DeathInvader]

None cares about your opinion in here.

I do, how else do you think I will get my entertainment at this forum?

 

[munchkin]

Interesting timing. J-20 and Rafael both delivery starting in 2017. Good competition.

 

[Cry.me.a.River]

As for Pakistan they have superior pilot training. Just see the falling number of jets on indian side. They have much less andThey are flying older fighter.

Bhai, Jo muh me aayega woh bole chae jaaoge!!!

What superior pilot training? Would Pakistani mard-e-momin Übermensch shoot down IAF planes with their Imaan!!



Pilot training is directly proportional to hours flown by pilot which costs money , a lot of money;a metric which would be favorable for IAF by virtue of it having larger budget.

 

[maniac@666]

@halloweene @Gabriel92 @Taygibay @DrSomnath999 @Abingdonboy could any of you mates clarify whether we will getting Front-Sector Optronics(FSO)System on our rafale's,that we're getting because as per statement released it states that it should have all the systems that IAF tested on rafale during MMRCA competition.Production F3.3 versions don't have it(FSO)on them and Egyptian rafale's don't have it either.It's a bit confusing,on the other hand India wants latest tranche and all the goodies tested during MMRCA competition.Could that be possible?

 

[maniac@666]

(If i understood well the question...) The FSO is fully integrated into the Rafale. (So yes)

but it's not in latest tranche F3.3 rafale,may be it will be integrated in rafale for India as per costumer's request.

 

[maniac@666]

Where did you see/read that ?

didn't see in pics of Egyptian rafale and heard from a senior member on some another rafale thread that French air force is not interested in FSO any more and thales won't be producing next generation FSO ,Funding is not there.Just like HMDS, French air force is not interested in FSO.Will HMDS be integrated on Indian rafale?as it is one of the crucial requirement of IAF.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@halloweene @Gabriel92 @Taygibay @DrSomnath999 @Abingdonboy could any of you mates clarify whether we will getting Front-Sector Optronics(FSO)System on our rafale's,that we're getting because as per statement released it states that it should have all the systems that IAF tested on rafale during MMRCA competition.Production F3.3 versions don't have it(FSO)on them and Egyptian rafale's don't have it either.It's a bit confusing,on the other hand India wants latest tranche and all the goodies tested during MMRCA competition.Could that be possible?

FSO will come for the IAF's Rafales.

Will HMDS be integrated on Indian rafale?as it is one of the crucial requirement of IAF.

HMDS are part of the customer nominated equipment and thus will be coming on the IAF's Rafales (most likely TOPSIGHT-I)

 

[ashok321]

Swamy takes on Narendra Modi, calls new Rafale jet deal between India, France a 'case of arbitrariness' - IBNLive

New Delhi: Prime Minister Narendra Modi's decision to buy 36 Rafale fighter jets in fly-away condition under a new deal with France has come will severe criticism from a prominent member of his own party. After meeting French President Francois Hollande in Paris on Friday, Modi announced that Indian Air Force will get 36 Rafale jets which is apart from the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) agreement for 126 more planes.

But senior BJP leader Subramanian Swamy termed the new Rafale fighter jet deal between India and France a case of arbitrariness. Swamy is yet to decide on what action to take over Modi government's decision to purchase 36 aircraft from France.

Swamy said, "I have not yet decided on whether to approach the court. I am waiting for papers on the new Rafael deal. It prima facie appears to be a case of arbitrariness." Swamy requested Modi not to go ahead with the Rafale deal, which was negotiated by the previous UPA government, and said the performance of the French jet "turned out to be worst of all the aircraft" in Libya and Egypt.

"There are two major issues with the Rafale aircraft deal which would embarrass the BJP government. The first is that Rafale is less fuel efficient aircraft and lacking in essential performance characteristic that no country in the world has agreed to buy these aircraft," Swamy said in a statement.

"If the Prime Minister for some other 'compulsion' decides to go ahead with the deal, I will have no option but to approach the court in PIL to get it set aside," he said.

Sources said that Finance Minister Arun Jaitley crafted the new arrangement between India and France during his brief spell as the defence minister earlier.

IAF selected the Rafael fighter under the Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) deal after a close competition which also saw Eurofighter Typhoon, Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen in the race. While Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon, Mikoyan MiG-35 and Saab JAS 39 Gripen were eliminated very early, Dassault Rafale edged out the Eurofighter Typhoon in the final negotiation.

At present the IAf has just 34 fighter squadrons against the ideal 45 squadrons required to take on the threat from both Pakistan and China simultaneously. The ageing MiG-21 and MiG-27 planes are being phased out which will see the IAF strength depleting by at least eight more squadrons.

Under the MMRCA terms, India is to get only 18 Rafale directly while the rest 108 fighters will be manufactured by state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited. But the final deal between India and France is stuck over who would be responsible for the manufacturers' guarantee on 108 jets which could be built HAL. India wants Rafale maker Dassault Aviation to take full responsibility which the latter has till now not agreed to.