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the 90's was a lost decade for the LCA Program
ECONOMIC CRISIS IN EARLY 90'S CAUSED FUNDING TO BE CUT WHEN FULL FUNDING STARTED AGAIN U.S AND OTHER COUNTRIES PLACED TECHNOLOGY SANCTIONS ON INDIA AFTER NUCLEAR TESTS IN 1998
yet we still got the LCA to fly in 2001 if that time is considered it took 10 years to develop LCA
LCA FIRST FLIGHT IN 2001 IOC IN 2011
@MZUABIR we are talking about future AMCA Stealth fighter why you bring up LCA and derail thread?
Jiyo.... Your source is source, My source is Bogus??? Still My challenge remains, Show me one Aircraft which is design from scratch in less than 20 years...
Give me a break man, can't you see to which post we are replying to? it was an open challenge by your mate "blackwidow" in which he clearly stated that mention any aircraft developed from scratch in less than 20 years then i will quit , now don't divert the issue
I wish I could Fullfill you dreams, But Alas! it won't be possible...
The Lightweight Fighter (LWF) program was a U.S. Air Force technology evaluation program initiated in the 1960s (1960s means 1950-1959) by a cabal of officers and defense analysts known as the "Fighter Mafia". It was spurred by then Major John Boyd's Energy-Maneuverability (E-M) theory of maneuverability, which indicated that excessive weight would have severely debilitating consequences on the maneuverability of an aircraft. Boyd's design called for a light-weight fighter with a high thrust-to-weight ratio, a gross weight of less than 20,000 pounds (9,100 kg) (half that of its counterpart, the F-15 Eagle), and high maneuverability.[1] It resulted in the development of the General Dynamics YF-16 and Northrop YF-17
Now you can calculate the timeline of development.. there is a proverb in India " Half knowledge is dangerous"
Come with Other Examples...
Jiyo.... Your source is source, My source is Bogus??? Still My challenge remains, Show me one Aircraft which is design from scratch in less than 20 years...
Give me a break man, can't you see to which post we are replying to? it was an open challenge by your mate "blackwidow" in which he clearly stated that mention any aircraft developed from scratch in less than 20 years then i will quit , now don't divert the issue
When was the LCA design finalized??
1990??
the LWF program was initiated in the mid to late 60's.
as a study.. it had not left the offices of the pentagon and to the manufacturers..
A Request For Proposals (RfP) was issued to the industry on January 16, 1971.!!
now.. both GD and Northdrop using their insider info had made some basic concepts starting from 65..
even then.. that is 7 years from pure conceptual drawing to a first flight in less than ten years!
But please dont quit PDF because of this.
Unlike GD(ex-convair).. and northdrop..
DRDO and HAL had not really built a fighter from scratch on that scale.. and with such requirements(Kurt tank's HF-24 doesnt really count).
So the hiccups were expected.
The blame must also go the IAF for presenting revised requirements again and again.. and to the bureaucratic mentality prevalent still in the Indian defense ministry.
And no.. the 1960's doesn't mean December 59... it means dates after 1st Jan 1960
dont mess around with dates to try and prove your point.
My source is not everyone's love wikipedia, where every rikshaw drive can come and edit it, my source is official f-16 website , developed by officials associated with f-16 program and some ex pilots .
Secondly its already proved thrice that it was developed in less than 20 years , even if we go by your stats of 1960 still it less than 20 years , you can argue all day and night
When was the LCA design finalized??
1990??
the LWF program was initiated in the mid to late 60's.
as a study.. it had not left the offices of the pentagon and to the manufacturers..
A Request For Proposals (RfP) was issued to the industry on January 16, 1971.!!
now.. both GD and Northdrop using their insider info had made some basic concepts starting from 65..
even then.. that is 7 years from pure conceptual drawing to a first flight in less than ten years!
But please dont quit PDF because of this.
Unlike GD(ex-convair).. and northdrop..
DRDO and HAL had not really built a fighter from scratch on that scale.. and with such requirements(Kurt tank's HF-24 doesnt really count).
So the hiccups were expected.
The blame must also go the IAF for presenting revised requirements again and again.. and to the bureaucratic mentality prevalent still in the Indian defense ministry.
And no.. the 1960's doesn't mean December 59... it means dates after 1st Jan 1960
dont mess around with dates to try and prove your point.
Like I said. Please refer post #83. It's naive to believe a 5th gen jet can be designed from scratch within 5 years or so as some PDF members are trying to suggest. This is an entirely different league where the additional element of stealth comes into play. Irrespective of whether it's 100% indegenious or not, it'll take around 15-20 years from concept to IOC.
On a lighter note, if it could be done sooner, the Chinese would've done it.![]()
When was the LCA design finalized??
1990??
the LWF program was initiated in the mid to late 60's.
as a study.. it had not left the offices of the pentagon and to the manufacturers..
A Request For Proposals (RfP) was issued to the industry on January 16, 1971.!!
now.. both GD and Northdrop using their insider info had made some basic concepts starting from 65..
even then.. that is 7 years from pure conceptual drawing to a first flight in less than ten years!
But please dont quit PDF because of this.
Unlike GD(ex-convair).. and northdrop..
DRDO and HAL had not really built a fighter from scratch on that scale.. and with such requirements(Kurt tank's HF-24 doesnt really count).
So the hiccups were expected.
The blame must also go the IAF for presenting revised requirements again and again.. and to the bureaucratic mentality prevalent still in the Indian defense ministry.
And no.. the 1960's doesn't mean December 59... it means dates after 1st Jan 1960
dont mess around with dates to try and prove your point.
Yar if Mzubair had any conflict with you on 5th gen program or anything related to it i m not upto that , neither i m arguing on that, if you check out my posts i was only referring to "blackwidow" neither i targeted you nor anyother member
No issues. We're as skeptical about HAL and DRDO as you are but can't help defending it when it's criticized by any other nationality. It's natural for Blackwidow to go out of his way to defend it. Anyways I enjoy these kind sparring sessions. At the end of the day I leave with a little more info in my arsenal.
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I had a bit of a rumble with Punjabi Sidhu myseld Mani, best if you leave them alone in their fantasy world and not derail the thread, and avoid a infraction by doing so.!