India to build its own stealth fighter jet.

[gambit]

Like I said. Please refer post #83. It's naive to believe a 5th gen jet can be designed from scratch within 5 years or so as some PDF members are trying to suggest. This is an entirely different league where the additional element of stealth comes into play. Irrespective of whether it's 100% indegenious or not, it'll take around 15-20 years from concept to IOC.
On a lighter note, if it could be done sooner, the Chinese would've done it.

You want to develop a 'stealth' aircraft in five years or less? Here is how: You devote %100 of your defense budget and %100 of your human capital into the program. You find out you need new tools? You devote %100 of your national resources to either develop or buy those new tools. Keep in mind that Lockheed had to do the same for the SR-71. Any contractor related to the program MUST NOT be allowed to devote anything less than %100 of his company's resources into the program. All other defense related program such as maintenance or upgrade are not budgeted. In other words, your country's defense will not exist while you are working on the 'stealth' aircraft program. But you will have that 'stealth' aircraft in five years or even less.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

AMCA first flight 2017 and enters production in 2025 hopefully there will be no delays for the AMCA the fighter should be fitted with cutting edge AAM's like

the future MBDA Meteor missile (BVR)

Python 5 (short range)

IRIS-T (short range)

Astra MK2 (BVR)

 

[Mani2020]

AMCA first flight 2017 and enters production in 2025 hopefully there will be no delays for the AMCA the fighter should be fitted with cutting edge AAM's like

the future MBDA Meteor missile (BVR)

Python 5 (short range)

IRIS-T (short range)

Astra MK2 (BVR)

lol you yourself stated in this post that the AMCA will enter production in 2025 it means 14 more years to go , so till then all these missiles you have mentioned will be old ducks and new generation missiles will be on the scene specially with the pace whole world is developing and improving technologies , so better come up with new missiles or wait untill something further advance than IRST and Meteor comes out . Till than its good to please yourself.

By the way don't be sad about it you will be getting these missiles with EF or Rafale depending upon what you choose b/w them, So being a 5th generation aircraft AMCA should be better equipped than 4.5 generation aircrafts

 

[LiberalAtheist]

lol you yourself stated in this post that the AMCA will enter production in 2025 it means 14 more years to go , so till then all these missiles you have mentioned will be old ducks and new generation missiles will be on the scene specially with the pace whole world is developing and improving technologies , so better come up with new missiles or wait untill something further advance than IRST and Meteor comes out . Till than its good to please yourself.

By the way don't be sad about it you will be getting these missiles with EF or Rafale depending upon what you choose b/w them, So being a 5th generation aircraft AMCA should be better equipped than 4.5 generation aircrafts

your ignorance amazes me you think think missiles won't have upgraded variants in the future? the Aim-9 sidewinder has been in service for how many years? how long has the R-73 been in service? AMRAAM? all of them well over 14 years yet they are still in active service today

@bold part the AMRAAM has been in service since 91 and it is on use on the F-22 Raptor

 

[IndianArmy]

Interesting, One could never define an aircraft based on what we are trying to produce, I would suggest to invest on the technology rather than the aircraft. To have a cutting edge technology one needs to go by equal pace which everyone agrees that we dont have, so why bother going behind an aircraft which would be obsolete in the 2030's?

Researches are happening on Anti stealth radars which if successful ,AMCA would be as humble as today's aircraft are.

 

[Vibs]

Interesting, One could never define an aircraft based on what we are trying to produce, I would suggest to invest on the technology rather than the aircraft. To have a cutting edge technology one needs to go by equal pace which everyone agrees that we dont have, so why bother going behind an aircraft which would be obsolete in the 2030's?

Researches are happening on Anti stealth radars which if successful ,AMCA would be as humble as today's aircraft are.

Well, both anti-stealth radar systems and anti-anti stealth radar system technologies are currently being developed. A number of aircrafts including the Su-30MKI are said to have systems that can detect the infrared signature left behind by the engine. So even if the RCS of the aircraft is low, the infrared signature will give it away. To counter this many planes (including Su 30 MKI) are trying to reduce the amount of infrared signature that they leave behind them. This has the added benefit of reducing the trail available for an IR guided missile to follow.

 

[coffin]

Guys don't you think 2025 is a little late to introduce a 5th gen aircraft( and my previous experience with development of HAL there is no doubt we will see delays in this project too) as by then nearly all countries will be testing 6th gen fighter.

 

[IndianArmy]

Well, both anti-stealth radar systems and anti-anti stealth radar system technologies are currently being developed. A number of aircrafts including the Su-30MKI are said to have systems that can detect the infrared signature left behind by the engine. So even if the RCS of the aircraft is low, the infrared signature will give it away. To counter this many planes (including Su 30 MKI) are trying to reduce the amount of infrared signature that they leave behind them. This has the added benefit of reducing the trail available for an IR guided missile to follow.

My concern is the date when the aircraft would be introduced... But nevertheless would be a better replacement to the then aging fleet.

 

[coffin]

My concern is the date when the aircraft would be introduced... But nevertheless would be a better replacement to the then aging fleet.

So don't you think we should develop something in the category of 6thgen as many nations have all ready started the development of 6th gen or have skipped 5th gen.

 

[LiberalAtheist]

Guys don't you think 2025 is a little late to introduce a 5th gen aircraft( and my previous experience with development of HAL there is no doubt we will see delays in this project too) as by then nearly all countries will be testing 6th gen fighter.

not really late as it would still be in the 5th gen era, (2005-2030) besides it does not matter as long as it enters service in the required year (2025) which we will need to replace/supplement Mirage 2k MiG-29UPG Jaguars MiG-27 etc

 

[Vibs]

My concern is the date when the aircraft would be introduced... But nevertheless would be a better replacement to the then aging fleet.

You are right of course. I suspect it will be similar to the development of the LCA. Every 5 years something new kept being incorporated into the aircraft design. Once the basic prototype is designed, developing an advanced version (Mk2) will not take as long and it's expected to be close to a 4.5 gen spec. We may see the same trend with the initial version of AMCA being bashed on for being out dated but the subsequent version quickly being designed on the base to match the latest specs available.

 

[IndianArmy]

So don't you think we should develop something in the category of 6thgen as many nations have all ready started the development of 6th gen or have skipped 5th gen.

Invest in technology rather on product. Once you match the rest of the world then you can introduce yourself to the world with a product refined to the extent of others.

 

[IndianArmy]

You are right of course. I suspect it will be similar to the development of the LCA. Every 5 years something new kept being incorporated into the aircraft design. Once the basic prototype is designed, developing an advanced version (Mk2) will not take as long and it's expected to be close to a 4.5 gen spec. We may see the same trend with the initial version of AMCA being bashed on for being out dated but the subsequent version quickly being designed on the base to match the latest specs available.

Where is marketing in it? You need to crash in with your product rather provide a guarantee to what follows. Dont you think it would be a nightmare for the govt if the desired revenue is not generated out of a product it has invested in? The first one the best one is the way to move.

 

[Vibs]

Invest in technology rather on product. Once you match the rest of the world then you can introduce yourself to the world with a product refined to the extent of others.

We seem to have done this (or rather forced to) by delinking the developement of the Kaveri Mk2 engines and LCA. Doing the same with radars would also be a good idea. But how do you separately research stealth air frame without incorporating it into the aircraft design itself?

 

[coffin]

LCA took 30 years, still its without engine [ only few engines were delivered from US for testing & prototypes] and there is a long way to develop LCa may be 30 more years.....

For Indian Stealth, first they will learn to develop engine after 30 years that will take them to 2040, then another 30 years to understand STEALTH technology, that will take them to 2080, then 20 more years would be required to develop Stealth AC which will take them to 3000 [Next Millinium]....

Good to see dreams for 3000

You guys love to comment on others but just give us a name of us one plane made in pak (and please don't say jf17 cause its a jv).