India to acquire 200 fighter jets for Indian Air Force: Defence secretary

[Dash]

JF-17 Block 3 gives Pakistan a Gripen E capable jet at less than half the cost and propels Pakistani aerospace tech and some of the money stays in Pakistan as well.

The people who initiated this programme should be national heroes.

Since you have compared Gripen E (not even C/D but E) with JF 17 can you post your comparative analysis of both aircrafts and enlighten us on the superiority of JF 17?

And once again another mix of more types - why not including some MiG-29M2/-35 ?? - to continue the maintenance nightmare the IAf already has with its mixed fleet of MiG-21, MiG-27 (ok, no longer), MiG-29, Mirage 2000, Jaguar, Su-30??

I really don't understand this Air Force.

Its mostly RAFALE. No another fighter plane.

don't compare 2 jets in same category Gripen E Now Stand in Medium weight category but Block-3 still in light weight class
No one knows real/Classified capabilities of respected AESAs By manufacturer companies
Top speed doesn't matters in air to air war, its about accelerations and T/W ratio and Gripen E has supercruise only in clean configurations or with minimal air to air payloads, and supercruise is useless
and tell me F-35 also has a top speed of Mach 1.6 with no supercruise

And how exactly is supercruise useless? And you are giving example of F 35 which actually CAN supercruise without the use of AB. So what are we implying here?

 

[Ultima Thule]

And how exactly is supercruise useless? And you are giving example of F 35 which actually CAN supercruise without the use of AB. So what are we implying here?

And tell me why its useful at any combat for getting to the combat in quicker ways, you can't beat Air to air missiles and surface to air missiles relying only on supercruise and top speed, F-35 has ability to supercruise but only 100 miles or so which nothing worth in war situation

 

[NeptuneShadow]

And tell me why its useful at any combat for getting to the combat in quicker ways, you can't beat Air to air missiles and surface to air missiles relying only on supercruise and top speed/ F-35 has ability to supercruise but only 100 miles or so which nothing worth in war situation

If it is not useful, believe me, USA and other countries do not want this in their jets. Do not start a worthless debate, instead search on google to find better answers to your ambiguities. BTW SC expands time for combat missions where every second matter.

 

[Ultima Thule]

If it is not useful, believe me, USA and other countries do not want this in their jets. Do not start a worthless debate, instead search on google to find better answers to your ambiguities. BTW SC expands time for combat missions where every second matter.

And put more stress on engine/air frame of the jet for prolong time period hence more maintenance required after every flight, that's why they don't use this on F-35, do research before you post i already know what is the advantages and drawbacks of supercruise

 

[Tumba]

This is coming from Defence Secretary...
As Rafale procurement is too expensive to fill the gap in IAF.
Its bare minimum which Indian Govt has to do to maintain least recommended Squadron strength which is due to fall to below 31 once Mig-21 will be retired in coming 5 years.
Minimum recommend strength is 39 Squadrons and for facing 2 front war minimum defensive strength is 52 squadrons.

110 less expensive fighters are surely coming

Tejas MK1A is also a surety

36 Rafales are done deal... another batch of 36 is not sured as of now.

57 Indian Navy MRCA are also required which will likely be reduced to 35-45 in numbers.

I have this info. Not due to my sources but due to nature of work.
Anyway I have seen much filth poured on Indian PSUs all I can say right now Tejas MK1A will be able to hold its own against any fighter in broader Asian region.

 

[Dash]

And tell me why its useful at any combat for getting to the combat in quicker ways, you can't beat Air to air missiles and surface to air missiles relying only on supercruise and top speed, F-35 has ability to supercruise but only 100 miles or so which nothing worth in war situation

One simple answer, if supercruise cant beat A2A missiles, then we need to stop building fighter jets.

Supercruise is meant for different reasons apart from out ranging missiles, such as achieving combat radius in a given time and return with objectives accomplished, to reach an ally in distress, to ward of a tailing aircraft, be difficult to be tracked on sensors and higher weapons engagement capability etc. You need to look at everything before declaring supercruise as useless.

 

[Ultima Thule]

One simple answer, if supercruise cant beat A2A missiles, then we need to stop building fighter jets.

Supercruise is meant for different reasons apart from out ranging missiles, such as achieving combat radius in a given time and return with objectives accomplished, to reach an ally in distress, to ward of a tailing aircraft, be difficult to be tracked on sensors and higher weapons engagement capability etc. You need to look at everything before declaring supercruise as useless.

bring air frame and engine under extreme stress hence shorten the life of air frame and engine significantly therefore more maintenance prone (less time in air) as compare to drawbacks supercruise has less advantages that's why they are not using in F-35 and their upcoming 6th gen jets

 

[Dash]

bring air frame and engine under extreme stress hence shorten the life of air frame and engine significantly therefore more maintenance prone (less time in air) as compare to drawbacks supercruise has less advantages that's why they are not using in F-35 and their upcoming 6th gen jets

Please don't bring maintenance in this. Maintenance is a very generic statement. In actual combat it offers its real worth.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Please don't bring maintenance in this. Maintenance is a very generic statement. In actual combat it offers its real worth.

you wont try to understand my point, if supercruise is that necessary why they (especially USA) eliminating supercruise capabilities in F-35 and their upcoming 6th gen jet, its also be increases infrared signatures of stealth jet somehow

 

[Dash]

you wont try to understand my point, if supercruise is that necessary why they (especially USA) eliminating supercruise capabilities in F-35 and their upcoming 6th gen jet, its also be increases infrared signatures of stealth jet somehow

You need to understand why F 22/Typhoon has supercruise. Regarding removing supercruise is a little misunderstood as the supercruise with AF and without AF. F 35 can supercruise without AF for about 150 miles which is good enough. Aditionally, F 35 and 6th gen fighters are not meant for air superiority roles like mainstream AS fighters as mentioned above. You add remove a certain config for a particular goal. And if the goal is air superiority then SC is very advantageous. F 35 has a smaller air intake and it was not meant for any air superiority or escort roles. It was made on situational awareness in mind and upcoming fighters follow this concept, doesn't need that F22/Typhoon like fighters are going away in another 100 years, they are meant for a specific role and hence they have it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You need to understand why F 22/Typhoon has supercruise. Regarding removing supercruise is a little misunderstood as the supercruise with AF and without AF. F 35 can supercruise without AF for about 150 miles which is good enough. Aditionally, F 35 and 6th gen fighters are not meant for air superiority roles like mainstream AS fighters as mentioned above. You add remove a certain config for a particular goal. And if the goal is air superiority then SC is very advantageous. F 35 has a smaller air intake and it was not meant for any air superiority or escort roles. It was made on situational awareness in mind and upcoming fighters follow this concept, doesn't need that F22/Typhoon like fighters are going away in another 100 years, they are meant for a specific role and hence they have it.

oh what are you talking about, F-35 replaces all air superiority Jets of USAF as well as strike and multi-role jet like F-15/F/A 18 F-16/A-10, tell me how many F-22 USAF have and how many F-35 will have to replace teen series air superiority jets (F-15/F-18/F-16/A-10), supercruise for only 100-150 miles worth nothing in modern battlefields F-35 can't leaves or enter target area so it will be more chances to being hit by Long range modern SAMs like S-400
Their two 6th gen stealth fighter jets projects are currently going on one for USAF which intended to replace F-22 and other is for USN currently will replace F/A 18 E/F which is currently USN main Air superiority jet and will complementary to F-35, And as for Typhoon its only supercruise on clean or with minimal air to air payloads, do research before you post dude, its a sincere advice form me

 

[Path-Finder]

I doubt there were any critics of Thunders. There were, however, critics of the F-16 Block-52+ acquisitions in 2005/6, including myself. I wanted the funds to be invested in Thunders to make them even more effective.

critics were not homeborne(not many) but mostly internationational

 

[khanmubashir]

IAF only wants Rafale which doesn’t pacify Govt of India’s policy...
Rafale is not only costly but also France as a international strategic partner doesn’t match USA... India needs USA for expanding her trade and influence, USA has keys to all strategic groups in the world

Also Indian Navy is also looking for 57 MRCA ... F-18 with few growlers for both Navy and AirForce also streamlines maintenance operations..
F-18 although wont be able to match next generation stealth planes but is more than satisfying for Indian Navy and Air force operations

Tejas MK1A is necessary as Su-30 MKI prod lines will be closing by end of next year, Tejas also required to introduce AeroSpace base in military industry in India.

Rafale is Indian Air Force favourite they are just in love with this plane but 200 odd fighters for Navy and IAF wont leave anything else in budget to pursue either domestic program or gives India a strong enough strategic partner in long term.
France is weak simply can’t ever match clout of USA

what India should have done is get f16 for iaf
gets a very good and the most cost effective option with USA good books

for navy f18 best option

36 rafales enough
it price tag is close.to f15
even though he latter is heavy strike fighter the rafales medium weight
slightly
more
better then f16 latest versions

the only edge the Euro jets had over Americans 4 g was aesa and other such avionics
but Americans have now upgraded there f-teen series with f35 derivatives so that edge is lost and Americans one r cheaper too

 

[Tumba]

best option is buy naval version of rafales for in

50 odd F-18s are more than sufficient for taking care of all naval threats in Arabian sea.
In fact a overkill ...

 

[khanmubashir]

50 odd F-18s are more than sufficient for taking care of all naval threats in Arabian sea.
In fact a overkill ...

u thought the same about about 300 su 30 Sonny