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NEW DELHI: The utter lack of long-term strategic planning in the Indian defence establishment was once again evident on Wednesday when the country for the first time tested the 290-km range BrahMos supersonic cruise missile from underwater.

The submarine-launched version of the missile was "successfully" tested from an underwater pontoon off Visakhapatnam around 2.10pm. BrahMos chief A Sivathanu Pillai promptly declared, "The missile is fully ready for fitment in the 'Project-75 India' submarines of the Indian Navy in vertical launch configuration, which will make the platform (submarine) one of the most powerful weapon platform in the world."

Defence minister A K Antony also chipped in soon after by saying, "It's a wonderful achievement and proud moment for India." DRDO chief V K Saraswat said it was "a significant step towards boosting India's military strength". Other defence scientists proclaimed this was "first time any supersonic cruise missile has been launched vertically from a submerged platform".

Amid all these gushing accolades, they however forgot to mention one critical fact: the Project-75 India submarines are nothing but a mere pipedream at present. With even the initial global tender or RFP (request for proposal) for them yet to be floated, the Navy will not get the first such submarine anytime before 2023.

"What's the use of having bullets but no gun to fire them from? Even if the defence ministry gets cracking immediately on the long-delayed P-75I, it will take three to four years to select the foreign submarine-manufacturer for technological collaboration. Thereafter, it will take another seven to eight years for the first submarine to roll out," said a senior official.

The BrahMos missile cannot be fitted on the Navy's existing fleet of 10 ageing Russian Kilo-class and four German HDW submarines, half of them in any case are fully operational at any given time. Nor can it be deployed on the six French Scorpene submarines being constructed in the Rs 23,562-crore Project-75 underway at Mazagon Docks (MDL) in Mumbai, under which the vessels will now be delivered in the 2015-2020 timeframe three years behind schedule.

Project-75 India, in turn, has failed to take off after going around in circles for several years now. The Cabinet committee on security will have to clear the RFP before it is issued because two of the submarines have to imported from the foreign vendor finally selected. Three will subsequently be built at MDL, and the last at Hindustan Shipyard at Visakhapatnam, after transfer of technology.

All this of course does not detract from the utility of the air-breathing BrahMos, which flies at the speed of Mach 2.8, as a "precision strike weapon". It has been inducted by some artillery regiments in the Army as well as a few naval warships.

The Army is moving ahead to induct three versions of the multi-role BrahMos, having already placed orders worth Rs 9,484 crore, over the next two-three years. Navy and IAF, in turn, have ordered BrahMos missiles worth Rs 3,568 crore and Rs 1,295 crore, respectively, as of now.
India tests underwater BrahMos missile, but has no submarine to fire it - The Times of India
 
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Can India tow the underwater pontoon some where and than fire it from there?
 
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Indian Navy still has Brahmos in its arsenal and what is the purpose of publishing such a news report. India wants more submarines even if there was no Brahmos. Why are the two linked together is beyond me.
 
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Doing sea trials .



No need for pontoons .......P75I's are coming.

According to the article, India has not chosen the P75I yet. How can it purchase the sub when it have not decided on the sub to purchase. Furthermore, the ones it had decided to buy, the P75 project, is further delayed. Get the sub you purchased first before bragging about the subs you have not yet evaluated.

As a result, towing the pontoon is the only option. lol
 
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According to the article, India has not chosen the P75I yet. How can it purchase the sub when it have not decided on the sub to purchase. Furthermore, the ones it had decided to buy, the P75 project, is further delayed. Get the sub you purchased first before bragging about the subs you have not yet evaluated.

As a result, towing the pontoon is the only option. lol

Doesnot matter because the sub which will be selected for P75I will be having VLS module.As for P75 , the work is being completed in mazagon shipyard.As for Arihant which has a VLS , is in sea trials.

Whenever any discussion is going on ,you talk about bragging. So according to you chinese talking about J20 , J33 , etc will also be bragging .So you should advice your countrymen before trying to be a smart @ss in front of us.

There is a reason why we selected pontoons for testing.If you are testing a missile in developement , there are chances that something can go wrong and if that happens the missile will eventually fall back on sub just like what happened with the chinese SLBM test.China: SLBM Test Launch Failed (fell back to sub and almost sank it)
 
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Doesnot matter because the sub which will be selected for P75I will be having VLS module.As for P75 , the work is being completed in mazagon shipyard.As for Arihant which has a VLS , is in sea trials.

Whenever any discussion is going on ,you talk about bragging. So according to you chinese talking about J20 , J33 , etc will also be bragging .So you should advice your countrymen before trying to be a smart @ss in front of us.

There is a reason why we selected pontoons for testing.If you are testing a missile in developement , there are chances that something can go wrong and if that happens the missile will eventually fall back on sub just like what happened with the chinese SLBM test.China: SLBM Test Launch Failed (fell back to sub and almost sank it)

When Mohammad Ali said that he was greatest, he was not bragging. He was stating a fact. When you said that P75I is coming, that is bragging as this statement is above and beyond any truth. So stop bragging and start telling the truth.
 
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According to the article, India has not chosen the P75I yet. How can it purchase the sub when it have not decided on the sub to purchase. Furthermore, the ones it had decided to buy, the P75 project, is further delayed. Get the sub you purchased first before bragging about the subs you have not yet evaluated.

As a result, towing the pontoon is the only option. lol

Between the Nuclear powered submarine INS Arihant is SSBN and it is NOT a part of P75I. It is Arihant which is undergoing sea trials!
 
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Oh really. This sucks.
Keep the subs coming.
 
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Why not make a torpedo tube launched variant, like the Klub missiles???

Some of our Kilo class subs already use this technique.
 
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When Mohammad Ali said that he was greatest, he was not bragging. He was stating a fact. When you said that P75I is coming, that is bragging as this statement is above and beyond any truth. So stop bragging and start telling the truth.

P75I is a reality , so is Brahmos SLCM .Just because a chinese troller think it is bragging doesnot make it so .As a matter of fact you are the only one bragging here because of your @ss burning.

But then again who cares .Why wasting my time with a certified chinese troller .................:wave:

Why not make a torpedo tube launched variant, like the Klub missiles???

Some of our Kilo class subs already use this technique.

Brahmos 1 is too heavy to be launched from torpedo tubes.

That is why we aredeveloping Brahmos3 as a torpedo tube launch SLCM variant and for MRCA capable ALCM variant.
 
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