India successfully tests Nirbhay cruise missile

[TeesraIndiotHunter]

Lol Whatever man no matter how hard we try, you will never understand the true spirit of India. You are a Pakistani. Its really not your fault. I can understand.

Same goes for you buddy.

You will never understand the spirit of Islam and spirit of Pakistan as well

 

[HariPrasad]

INDIA DIRECTLY SHIPPED THIS MISSILE FROM RUSSIA OR ISRAEL WAT A JOKE ALL INDIAN MISSILES R IMPORTED FROM RUSSIA ND ISRAEL ND THEN INDIA CALLS IT IS DOMESTICALLY MADE WAT A JOKE.

Oh well come new recruit. You are an addition to many like you on the forum. You have potential to provide a lots of amusement to forum.

We have ballistic missiles to hit all parts of india.

With CEP measured in KM.

Exactly. Babur, as of now, is a much superior weapon system with much more reliability and already trial/tested under different parameters.

Nirbhay can only be compared with Tomahawk. It has such a rugged guidance that it can hit the target with 1 M accuracy without satellite signals. It can loiter, it can come back after delivering pay load etc. Go and find something else to compare Babur. We are a country which makes the missile which can hit the target at Mach 3 speed after double S maneuvers with 1 M CEP. Babur is totally unfit for compression.

 

[Zarvan]

Oh well come new recruit. You are an addition to many like you on the forum. You have potential to provide a lots of amusement to forum.




With CEP measured in KM.




Nirbhay can only be compared with Tomahawk. It has such a rugged guidance that it can hit the target with 1 M accuracy without satellite signals. It can loiter, it can come back after delivering pay load etc. Go and find something else to compare Babur. We are a country which makes the missile which can hit the target at Mach 3 speed after double S maneuvers with 1 M CEP. Babur is totally unfit for compression.

You are free to live in fools paradise

 

[The Deterrent]

Doesn't the TERCOM use altimeter? What other options are available?

In a nutshell, TERCOM is a complete navigation system which uses the radar altimeter for sensing altitude. After that it has to compare the altitude readings with pre-defined terrain data and output the result to the flight control computer.

Since sea-skimming missiles have to stay at a low altitude above water, only altimeters are enough for that purpose. There is no terrain so TERCOM is not needed, INS does the job of guiding the missile to the vicinity of the target, after which the onboard seeker takes over for terminal guidance.

Nirbhay can only be compared with Tomahawk. It has such a rugged guidance that it can hit the target with 1 M accuracy without satellite signals. It can loiter, it can come back after delivering pay load etc.

Can it deliver extra pizza toppings on demand?

 

[Kloitra]

Since sea-skimming missiles have to stay at a low altitude above water, only altimeters are enough for that purpose. There is no terrain so TERCOM is not needed, INS does the job of guiding the missile to the vicinity of the target, after which the onboard seeker takes over for terminal guidance.

What about sea/land dual, like Brahmos. When over land, it would have to manage the terrain.

 

[Bratva]

Ramjet engine( continuous power)propultion means terrain huging is possible.. Also you can check brahmos site it clearly states that army version block 2 has terrain hugging capability.. Can fly at an altitude of 5 meter.. But as a 3 mach supersonic missile low altitude makes so much drag.. Also being a supersonic missile stealth feature not needed as of now.. So it can be now used at high altitude..

There is a difference b/w terrain hugging through radar altimeter and terrain hugging through tercom. Brahmos does the former not the later

 

[The Deterrent]

What about sea/land dual, like Brahmos. When over land, it would have to manage the terrain.

Of course, BrahMos/TLAM are examples of land attack missiles. A simpler TERCOM aboard them would begin guidance after INS/GNSS guides the missile to vicinity of shore waypoint. But sources suggest that TLAM has a TERCOM system for the sea too, composed of magnetic imaging data of the flight path.

 

[Bratva]

Oh well come new recruit. You are an addition to many like you on the forum. You have potential to provide a lots of amusement to forum.




With CEP measured in KM.




Nirbhay can only be compared with Tomahawk. It has such a rugged guidance that it can hit the target with 1 M accuracy without satellite signals. It can loiter, it can come back after delivering pay load etc. Go and find something else to compare Babur. We are a country which makes the missile which can hit the target at Mach 3 speed after double S maneuvers with 1 M CEP. Babur is totally unfit for compression.

Neither Tomahwk could do that without satellite Navigation. You nirbhay must have been made my Martians then.

P.S. Instead of blowing up hot steam, you should make that claims once nirbhay is tested with TERCOM and DSMAC.

P.P.S. Pakistan missile which are currently employed have CEP in range of 10-50 Meters from shortest to Longest. Unless you could prove it through official sources, your claim would remain BS

 

[Kloitra]

There is a difference b/w terrain hugging through radar altimeter and terrain hugging through tercom. Brahmos does the former not the later

Given the speed, should not Brahmos require tercom? The reaction time would be smaller and handling harder for it.

I am talking land to land attack, not sea to land. I guess it would be similar cause of hi-low flight path.

 

[Bratva]

Given the speed, should not Brahmos require tercom? The reaction time would be smaller and handling harder for it.

I am talking land to land attack, not sea to land. I guess it would be similar cause of hi-low flight path.

Given the range, of 300 KM, INS/active seeker/S maneuver is more than sufficient for Brahmos. If it has a long range, say 1000 KM, you would then need a tercom so the deviations caused in flight path should be corrected by comparing terrain data and keeping missile low and on path.

As we know, longer the range, longer the deviation in flight path.

An example of Iskander-M qausi ballistic missile which has a CEP of 5-7 m despite being supersonic


system
Inertial, optical homing, use of GPS / GLONASS in addition to the inertial guidance system

 

[kaykay]

Neither Tomahwk could do that without satellite Navigation. You nirbhay must have been made my Martians then.

P.S. Instead of blowing up hot steam, you should make that claims once nirbhay is tested with TERCOM and DSMAC.

P.P.S. Pakistan missile which are currently employed have CEP in range of 10-50 Meters from shortest to Longest. Unless you could prove it through official sources, your claim would remain BS

Officially Nirbhay has accuracy 'better than 10 meters' though not 1 meter as claimed by other member.( One defence journalist and also owner of Tarmak007 blog claimed that It was 5-6 MTR during recent test.
Here is official release,
Print Release

 

[desimorty]

Wow talk about denial. Pakistan's expertise in missile technology is practically none existent. North Korea has more expertise. Where does Pak get the funding to RnD a cruise missile? lol
FYI there is no weight difference between brahmos and yahkont. So the range is 500 km for both. They only diclared on piece of paper it wasn't. And if the Russians can hand over a missile that doesn't meet the MTCR regime than the Chinese can hand over missile technology, just like North Korea to Pakistan for the right price. What you do with it after is up to Pakistan, just like Brahmos no turning into a superior verision of Yakhont.
FYI, Pakistanis nationalistic reotric is always funny.
PS sorry for the grammer.

Also given the development time of Babur, there is no doubt the Chinese have had their hand in it. Otherwise it would have taken very long to bring something from testing phase to full operation.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

The fact of the matter is Nirbhay is not a big technological break through and nver was from the beginning. its main advantages are
1. Its range (prasun Sengupta said the second test missile travelled 1157 kms) which i think can be developed over time to say 2000-2500-3000 kms
2. Its addition would add variety of delivery systems which can be used right from Brahmos to nirbhay to prithvi to agni and many more for different roles (nuclear/conventional).
3. The delivery of all such missiles from multiple platforms like land air sea over time which adds a potent and healthy mix


Now as more tests are carried out we need to see the terrain hugging and sattelite navigation based (our own GPS) progress. Interestingly, Nirbhay to me looks more tech demonstrator for a much larger missile plan. The only issue i see is that at 0.7 Mach there is a good chance of it being taken out (even with Stingers i believe). So if we could raise the speed and may be instead of fan use a engine capable of changing speeds from from 0.7 to may 2 mach the potency of such smart weapon can be increased.

 

[Lil Mathew]

Neither Tomahwk could do that without satellite Navigation. You nirbhay must have been made my Martians then.

P.S. Instead of blowing up hot steam, you should make that claims once nirbhay is tested with TERCOM and DSMAC.

P.P.S. Pakistan missile which are currently employed have CEP in range of 10-50 Meters from shortest to Longest. Unless you could prove it through official sources, your claim would remain BS

TERCOM is not some ultimate technological end for navigation.. Every countries has its own technologies and ways for navigation. Our hybrid inertial navigation system using a ring-laser gyro (RINS) coupled with a GPS receiver and a digital radar altimeter (all developed by the DRDO’s Research centre Imarat, or RCI, and integrated jointly by the Advanced Systems Laboratory, or ASL, and the Aeronautical Development Establishment, or ADE) is indigenous and highly effective.. Our terminal guidance Scene Correlation and Navigation (SCAN) using SAR/ISAR mapping is similar type correlation technology (even better in some aspects) like DSMAC.. Why we need to change it with DSMAC???.. SCAN is more reliable .. Because here high resolution satellite SAR images are compared by onboard x band SAR images.. These navigation techs are well proved in Brahmos.. INS correction using SAR image also will be their in Nirbhay which is better than TAINS( TERCOM using with INS)..
One disadvantage of TERCOM systems is that the entire route has to be pre-planned, including its launch point. If the missile is launched from an unexpected location or flies too far off-course, it will never fly over the features included in the maps, and become lost.This makes TERCOM based systems much less flexible than more modern systems like GPS, which can be set to attack any location from any location, and does not require any sort of pre-recorded information which means they can be targeted immediately prior to launch.
Why BABUR using TERCOM & DSMAC?? How you getting the pre-recorded contour map of the terrain for TERCOM (by satellite????? Which satellite???) and How you take photographs of target for DSMAC (using Surveillance aircraft???)... Each must develop their technology according to their available resources( satellites) and needs.. Here it is evident that Pakistan just copy paste old Tomohawk nav system blindly...
One more thing is the first two tests of Nirbhay are meant for validating the robustness of the missile’s airframe and that of its two-stage propulsion system (and hence are not equipped with digital terrain profile matching sensor and warheads. The next two, also to be conducted from ITR, will seek to validate the Nirbhay’s flight management system, inclusive of the digital terrain profile matching sensor (an X-band SAR)...

 

[cerberus]

Wow talk about denial. Pakistan's expertise in missile technology is practically none existent. North Korea has more expertise. Where does Pak get the funding to RnD a cruise missile? lol
FYI there is no weight difference between brahmos and yahkont. So the range is 500 km for both. They only diclared on piece of paper it wasn't. And if the Russians can hand over a missile that doesn't meet the MTCR regime than the Chinese can hand over missile technology, just like North Korea to Pakistan for the right price. What you do with it after is up to Pakistan, just like Brahmos no turning into a superior verision of Yakhont.
FYI, Pakistanis nationalistic reotric is always funny.
PS sorry for the grammer.

Also given the development time of Babur, there is no doubt the Chinese have had their hand in it. Otherwise it would have taken very long to bring something from testing phase to full operation.

You bot pakistan have much more potential than any other army there missile are world beaters