India snubs China, to attend Nobel ceremony

[Abhishek_]

So we want to ask, what is India's plans in Tibet? You even still have ambitions in Tibet, or that there is a future reconciliation plan and the china in Tibet?

tibet belongs to china period (GOI's official stance as well). you guys are developing it far more than GOI probably would

 

[Bang Galore]

and what gives you the right to impose democracy on china if 98% chinese are happy with their current govt.

Wouldn't that be the very essence of democracy? Finding out whether that is actually their wish?

 

[Abhishek_]

heheh if you think that border issue is easier to solve.... I mean come on if the opposition party will accuse the government of caving to China over the DL, what would they do when India starts negotiating the land dispute (which of course would involve give take of land that India claims as its own)

not at all CS. the easiest way is to declare LAC as the border. i can assure you GOI and the opposition will be perfectly content with it.
Nobody expects or desires to gain land, GOI just doesn't want to give up any.

 

[luckyyy]

Wouldn't that be the very essence of democracy? Finding out whether that is actually their wish?

even the burma's communist leaders used to think that way (98%)but when elections happened , they get rejected by the massess

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Wouldn't that be the very essence of democracy? Finding out whether that is actually their wish?

China has the highest percentage of people who support their Government in the entire world, by far. No one else even comes close.

Chinese satisfied with government - Washington Times

 

[huzihaidao12]

Wouldn't that be the very essence of democracy? Finding out whether that is actually their wish?

That is not theChinese official statistics, the statistics that come from abroad.

 

[CardSharp]

Banning TGE comes with its own set of consequences
1.whose is going to administer the Tibetan refugees?
2.Reaction of domestic political parties to it,as it is interpreted by opposition as submitting to Chinese interest.
3.Will it change China stance on India?

1. a government/administration in all but name
2. same point as raised by Abh (no solution and China can't do anything in internal political matters)
3. this was proposed by a chinese scholar in a conference who was semi-linked to the government. Besides the terms could be worked out before anything is done.

For the last point,from a pragmatic view,China mostly won't budge on stance on SA geopolitics as Pakistan is more valuable to China than India.

Just my opinion but the economic momentum dictates that greater payoff for cooperation is going to be had in the future with India. If we Chinese are anything, its pragmatic, I'm sure that China will remain dogmatic in its position.

For that to be done China has to make the first move.

Here is where I disagree. (see above) but what would you think the first move from China should be?

Say,comes a situation where an exiled Kashmiri militant leader takes refugee in China and is not allowed to preach his views from the context Chinese Govt adheres to Indian stance on Kashmiri militants.

Then as a sign of reciprocity India might tighten rules for TGE.

China can't make this gesture if there are no Kashmiri separatists seeking refuge in China, can it?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

not at all CS. the easiest way is to declare LAC as the border. i can assure you GOI and the opposition will be perfectly content with it.
Nobody expects or desires to gain land, GOI just doesn't want to give up any.

I find this the best overall solution as well.

However, geopolitical realities will make that a difficult thing to accomplish, at least at the moment.

 

[Bang Galore]

China has the highest percentage of people who support their Government in the entire world, by far. No one else even comes close.

Maybe. maybe not. I wouldn't know for certain either way. Fair to surmise that such a decision can hold credibility if that was proved through a open & fair voicing of that opinion through an election. Difficult to accept that statement at face value when there can be a price to pay for dissent which is clearly brought home by the original subject under discussion i.e. the awarding of a Nobel prize to a dissident.

That is not theChinese official statistics, the statistics that come from abroad.

So do many others, don't see you guys rushing to accept those at face value. My point though is different & is made above.

 

[CardSharp]

not at all CS. the easiest way is to declare LAC as the border. i can assure you GOI and the opposition will be perfectly content with it.
Nobody expects or desires to gain land, GOI just doesn't want to give up any.

Ahhh I think you underestimate the problem. There is no LAC unlike that which exists between Pak-Ind. From what I've read on the topic and listened to in conference recordings, the differences between what India claims and what China claims is tremendous.

also (a point I've made before) the Indian government doesn't have the political capital/is unwilling right now to enter negotiations (note difference between talks and negotiations). I have some pretty interesting material about the problems delaying the negotiations.

I find this the best overall solution as well.

However, geopolitical realities will make that a difficult thing to accomplish, at least at the moment.

Again not possible because no such agreed upon line exists from what I can find when reading about this.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Maybe. maybe not. I wouldn't know for certain either way. Fair to surmise that such a decision can hold credibility if that was proved through a open & fair voicing of that opinion through an election. Difficult to accept that statement at face value when there can be a price to pay for dissent which is clearly brought home by the original subject under discussion i.e. the awarding of a Nobel prize to a dissident.

Can't fault your opinion I suppose, even though it was an international poll.

One good way of finding out, is to visit China and actually ask Chinese people themselves.

For the record I live in HK and there is a constitutional guarantee of free speech here. And almost everyone I know here supports the CCP.

 

[BigTree.CN]

not at all CS. the easiest way is to declare LAC as the border. i can assure you GOI and the opposition will be perfectly content with it.
Nobody expects or desires to gain land, GOI just doesn't want to give up any.

Negotiation with prerequisite is not a real negotiation.

If someone wants to negotiate, then he should understand eveything can be compromised.

If the solution is to declare LAC as the border, then what is the point of negotiating, we just surrender.

 

[CardSharp]

Maybe. maybe not. I wouldn't know for certain either way. Fair to surmise that such a decision can hold credibility if that was proved through a open & fair voicing of that opinion through an election. Difficult to accept that statement at face value when there can be a price to pay for dissent which is clearly brought home by the original subject under discussion i.e. the awarding of a Nobel prize to a dissident.

Again with the "I don't believe you because you're brainwashed commies bullsht"

 

[Abhishek_]

Maybe. maybe not. I wouldn't know for certain either way. Fair to surmise that such a decision can hold credibility if that was proved through a open & fair voicing of that opinion through an election. Difficult to accept that statement at face value when there can be a price to pay for dissent which is clearly brought home by the original subject under discussion i.e. the awarding of a Nobel prize to a dissident.

BG, from what I have noticed CPC is actually quite concerned about public uprising. this is one of the reasons why it frantically tries to develop so that people are happy and allow it to stay in power.
But there will always some idiots who will want democracy just for the sake of it.
If the current system is working so well, why impose a change on it.
No system will make everyone happy.

 

[Bang Galore]

But there will always some idiots who will want democracy just for the sake of it.
If the current system is working so well, why impose a change on it.
No system will make everyone happy.

I don't find you rushing off to China because the rest of us are idiots.

Who are we to decide? I am not particularly concerned whether or not China becomes a democracy, my limited point was that there is no meaningful way to know whether a expression of satisfaction with the system existing is real or not when there is a price that might have to be paid for opining differently.