India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[KS]

As Mr. Devianz pointed out, deep strike with heavy load may not be possible for MMRCA machines given the load that they can carry.

The best possible way out is to use heavy MKI escorted with MMRCA in A2A mode or stealth fighters as and when they come.

Not possible for EFT, but possible for Rafale as said in the MRCA threads.

The reason being EFT was primarily developed as a A2A fighters to counter the Sukhois while the Rafale was from the start envisioned to be an omni-role fighter on the lines of the Mirage.

 

[rajusri]

Here is naming convention of Indian fighter by a BR webmaster...





Rakesh..... why did you call the Rafale .... Katrina ?

After the Bollywood actress Katrina Kaif. I have this embarrassing habit of assigning names of Indian actresses to the fighter aircraft we have or will buy. PVS Jagan Mohan is going to kill me for this, cause he hated the name Rambha and this stupid naming convention of mine! Anways, here is the list;

Su-30MKI: Rambha (a Tamil actress...see her photo and you will know why)

Rafale: Katrina (for being a real firecracker with just the right potency )

EF Typhoon: Shatru (after yesteryear actor Shatrughan Sinha for attempting various roles - hero & villian - but came up short IMHO, much like Typhoon's alleged multi-role capability. And as well for his moustache which bears a close resemblance to the Typhoon's front canards. Alas, Shatru did not go down too well with my fellow BRFites and I since renamed her to Sonakshi (Shatrughan's daughter)...but still no takers )

F-18: Rakhi Sawant (was not named by me...but by another BRFite...but aptly fits)

Mirage 2000 - Aishwariya Rai (because like the actress, she may be aging...but with an upgrade will come back with a bang! Also got the name Aishwariya Rai from an article I read by Air Marshal (Retd) Harish Masand about the MiG-29 vs Mirage 2000 duel in the 1980s. In there the M2K was known as Delicate Darlings, which is what she is.)

MiG-29UPG: Kajol (same as the one above, but already come back with a bang)

Jaguar: Madhuri Dixit (came back but fizzled out...much like Jaguar re-engine program)

Still have not decided on names for the MiG-27 and MiG-21 Bison.

but

Mig-21: Ramya Krishnan (Old. Older than the current admirers (read pilots) still going strong and makin men out of boys and currently in use.. )
Mig-25: Sonali Bendre
Mig-27: Raveena Tandon

 

[praveen]

guys Iam hearing that Boeings Air India deal will be under scrutiny if it or the US government decides to throw a hissy fit with rspt to MMRCA please verifxw this

 

[Markus]

Not possible for EFT, but possible for Rafale as said in the MRCA threads.

The reason being EFT was primarily developed as a A2A fighters to counter the Sukhois while the Rafale was from the start envisioned to be an omni-role fighter on the lines of the Mirage.

Going by the media reports, it says that Rafale actually follows EFT and not the way around.

It may or may not be true or could be just a bargaining parameter for things to be revealed in this fashion.

But it looks that for IAF, EFT is just one bit higher than the Rafale.

 

[Markus]

guys Iam hearing that Boeings Air India deal will be under scrutiny if it or the US government decides to throw a hissy fit with rspt to MMRCA please verifxw this

Very good. we will happily go to Airbus then.

More money for Europe.

 

[Mirza Jatt]

The Eurofighter, followed closely by Rafale, "came closest" to meeting the 643 technical attributes specified by India during the long-drawn field trials held by IAF test pilots both in India and abroad under different weather conditions. "The other four fell below the base line of minimum air staff qualitative requirements to be met," said the official.

US pressure fails to pull its fighter through IAF test - The Times of India

ET still ahead of rafale....

 

[praveen]

Very good. we will happily go to Airbus then.

More money for Europe.

no its not about going for airbus but for preventing them to launbh a tirade againrt us in us media.Any fuss will lead to this deal under scrutiny it already started read it in DNA

 

[Markus]

no its not about going for airbus but for preventing them to launbh a tirade againrt us in us media.Any fuss will lead to this deal under scrutiny it already started read it in DNA

Relax.

They need us as much as we need them.

 

[KS]

Not really, they are refurbishing the jaguars with a new engine. Honeywell was in the lead so Rolls Royce decided to play dirty & withdraw from the contract creating a single vendor situation( the CAG frowns on those situations). The Jaguars are likely to be there for a very long time & the IAF is pretty happy with their performance.

I personally dont think they will be for much long given their numerous limitations and the fastly evolving threat perceptions on both borders.

A weak engine, inability to fly in low visibility,older weapons, lack of radar etc. Only a few have the French Agave radars and even that is antiquated.

Unless the IAF goes ahead with the DARIN III upgrade which seems to have hit a roadblock (?) , they don't have much potential, capability even though they may have life in their airframes.

But this is just my opinion.

Going by the media reports, it says that Rafale actually follows EFT and not the way around.

It may or may not be true or could be just a bargaining parameter for things to be revealed in this fashion.

But it looks that for IAF, EFT is just one bit higher than the Rafale.

Actually you are saying the other way round - See IJ's link above. It is the Rafale which is leading as of now from IAF's ASR report.

 

[Varad]

Very good. we will happily go to Airbus then.

More money for Europe.

But Airbus already got the $15.6 billion deal for 180 aircrafts. Is there another deal signed by India with boeing??

 

[Mirza Jatt]

I personally dont think they will be for much long given their numerous limitations and the fastly evolving threat perceptions on both borders.

A weak engine, inability to fly in low visibility,older weapons, lack of radar etc. Only a few have the French Agave radars and even that is antiquated.

Unless the IAF goes ahead with the DARIN III upgrade which seems to have hit a roadblock (?) , they don't have much potential, capability even though they may have life in their airframes.

But this is just my opinion.



Actually you are saying the other way round - See IJ's link above. It is the Rafale which is leading as of now from IAF's ASR report.

No its the Typhoon which is leading and is closely followed by rafale.

 

[KS]

Here is naming convention of Indian fighter by a BR webmaster...

Su-30MKI: Rambha (a Tamil actress...see her photo and you will know why)


Jaguar: Madhuri Dixit (came back but fizzled out...much like Jaguar re-engine program)

Bahhh if we go by looks the Russian planes will beat every single fighter on the planet by a large margin.

MKI (according to me) - Vidya Balan (natural beauty)

Jaguar - Madhuri Dixit - are you farking kidding me ?At most they can be Amisha Patel.

Mig-29 - Madhuri Dixit or Sri Devi - ever Green beauty

 

[KS]

No its the Typhoon which is leading and is closely followed by rafale.

Times of India

“Rafale figures a notch higher than Typhoon in terms of performance and involves easier adaptability as it is logistically and operationally similar to Mirage-2000, used extensively by our boys during the Kargil conflict in 1999. The French government has also cleared the technology transfer, including the AESA (active electronically scanned array) radar,” sources in the IAF told Deccan Chronicle.

Rafale, Typhoon score on merit | Deccan Chronicle

 

[Mirza Jatt]

Times of India



Rafale, Typhoon score on merit | Deccan Chronicle

then its really confusing...a show in NDTV clearly said ET is leading and it was confirmed in the newspaper today.In that case i'd rather wait before calling any of them ahead in the race.

and I dont find anything wrong or funny with the source being ToI.

 

[Markus]

then its really confusing...a show in NDTV clearly said ET is leading and it was confirmed in the newspaper today.
I dont find anything wrong or funny with the source being ToI.

Yes, I read in DNA too.

It clearly said EFT followed closely by Rafale were the only ones to meet IAF requirements.