India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[RazorMC]

domain-b.com : Dassault ups the ante with full technology transfer for Rafale

Good link.
Now another achievement for India is the source code for the AESA and we know Thales is no joke.

But this confirms my belief to some extent: Tejas was more of a demonstrator and it has played an important role in raising India's tech knowledge.

The ToT and access to the source-code for radar came as a result of not only the money involved, rather the knowledge France/Dassault had that if they didn't offer it, India would get access to those anyways. So why not make some money of it?

It is the same with the AMRAAMs we received. The US knew that we'd get the BVR missiles anyways and so they might as well make a few bucks.

Last piece of info:
IAF now has access to Rafale and combined with the T-50 in the coming years means that India gets a massive boost in air defense. This combination is second only to F-22/F-35 combo or until something else comes along.

 

[SpArK]

India Rebuffs Boeing, Lockheed Bids in $11 Billion Warplane Deal - Bloomberg

 

[xataxsata]

Rafale

 

[sancho]

LOL .. the naval admiral is critical on the 5 nation conglomerate , and he is rightly so.

It is difficult fo sure, because it makes you dependent on several countries and that caused many delays in the EF development as well. Also Indias part in the consortium / partnership is not clear, do we really have a say, or do they just want to divert the orders they can't pay for and need our money for further developments?
The price NDTV talks about are estimations only, nothing official! What I also find interesting is, that this report again confirms radar issues for the Gripen and after sale issues for the F18. That the Gripen AESA is only a demo version is clear, but what are the after sale problems with Boeing, or does it have something to do with the US restrictions (remember their EUM laws would allow them to check the fighters frequently and test their systems after the procurements)?

 

[ramu]

Sancho

@9:00.. the guy talks about getting equity of grippen.. I was advocating it for some time here in the forum... TaTA's should have done that long time back..

Consider this : If someone wants to buy a significant chunk of BEL, adefence organisation in India, will India let that foreign entity get controlling rights? Answer : No.

Just a good idea, but not practical in defence sector.

 

[SpArK]

Consider this : If someone wants to buy a significant chunk of BEL, adefence organisation in India, will India let that foreign entity get controlling rights? Answer : No.

Just a good idea, but not practical in defence sector.

The scenario is different from India, Sweden has no threat perception and they are trying hard to keep that industry alive.. There were reports on Saab's dismal financial position and who knows if we ever pushed it could be a JV or a collaboration..Saab has sold instituions like that before or had stocks ..

Some links:

Saab AB announces the sale of a 51% stock interest in Aero Systems Engineering Inc to Minnesota ASE, LLC | Cision Wire

RUAG Acquires Saab Space in $56M Deal - Defense News

 

[rockstarIN]

Last piece of info:
IAF now has access to Rafale and combined with the T-50 in the coming years means that India gets a massive boost in air defense. This combination is second only to F-22/F-35 combo or until something else comes along.

Addition:- Since we are a partner in T-50, we can add the knowledge from T-50, LCA & Rafale jobs in to our own 5th Gen (AMCA) plan.

France will be ready to help, as they yet to join the F-35 programme and in future looking for a jet. They might partner with India for AMCA, since Russia will have little objections for it(T-50 partnership) as there is a surge in Russia-France military sales/relations.

 

[sancho]

Oh btw! With EF and Rafale beeing shortlisted, the advantage of engine commonality to Tejas is gone, because neither Gripen NG, nor the F18SH did in to the final stages. EJ 200 of the EF was rejected and the only possibility for commonality would be Kaveri - Snecma engines for LCA (MK 1 with the MLU, or follow MK2 orders) and Rafale.

 

[tallboy123]

Guys,Is Thales AESA Radar operational or if it is on development then when will it be completed??

 

[SpArK]

Addition:- Since we are a partner in T-50, we can add the knowledge from T-50, LCA & Rafale jobs in to our own 5th Gen (AMCA) plan.

France will be ready to help, as they yet to join the F-35 programme and in future looking for a jet. They might partner with India for AMCA, since Russia will have little objections for it(T-50 partnership) as there is a surge in Russia-France military sales/relations.

And yet you voted for EF.. explain that

 

[Yeti]

We will get full source codes with a advanced tech transfer package and new weapons instead of those bugged up yankee jets thank God

 

[Machoman]

Rafale

No doubt this plane is very sexy....

 

[Yeti]

Rafale is one hell of a sexy bird there is no doubt about it!

 

[rockstarIN]

And yet you voted for EF.. explain that

Like IAF, purely on technical terms..!!

No political views..

If there is a war with Pakistan/China, I would prefer in EF than Rafale to cross the broder..

 

[Yeti]

France will sell it's own mother for $$ they want to open up defence ties with China so i go for the EF also