India selects EF, Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

[jha]

It has less to do with the development stage, but with the development aims, the EF was developed as an air superiority fighter, that's why a big radar, high speed and maneuverability, or carrying many AAMs were prime factors (same as at the MKI!). Rafale on the other hand was developed to be as good as possible in all roles, that's why they compromised on radar size, but focused on passive detection features. That's why it carries less BVR missiles, but more fuel tanks and heavy weapons...

Ok..I am logging off now..

 

[jha]

if Rafale is selected, Kaveri-M88 ECO hybrid could be a suitable upgrade option down the road. It will help standardize engines between the AMCA (200+ aircrafts) and MMRCA (~200 aircrafts). Total potential order for this Kaveri-M88 ECO hybrid engine could be in the 800+ units ... if IAF goes down this path.

Courtesy srai BR..

Bharat Rakshak • View topic - India selects Typhoon and Rafale for MMRCA shortlist

Just one FATTA in this logic..End User (IAF ) is not happy with the proposition of using M88 core in KAVERI and wants it completely indigenous..

 

[1000VA]

First response from the SAAB group

Saab: Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme | Business Wire

LINKÖPING, Sweden--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Regulatory News:

“We are committed to the Indian market and continue our plans for growth and see huge business opportunities in the aerospace, defence and security sectors”

Today defence and security company Saab AB (STO:SAABB) has received information from the Indian Ministry of Defence that Gripen has not been shortlisted for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme.

”We are offering India a world class next generation fighter aircraft to a very competitive price and an extensive technology transfer programme. We have received this decision and will closely monitor the future process and provide additional information if requested by the Indian Ministry of Defence. We are confident that the Gripen system is the perfect match for the Indian Air Force as well as meeting the highest requirements for the international markets,” says Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO at Saab.

India is one of Saab’s most important markets. For example, Saab recently announced an investment in a research and development centre in India.

“We are committed to the Indian market and continue our plans for growth and see huge business opportunities in the aerospace, defence and security sectors,” says Håkan Buskhe.

Gripen is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian, South African and Royal Thai Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots worldwide.

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers’ changing needs.

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[KS]

Just one FATTA in this logic..End User (IAF ) is not happy with the proposition of using M88 core in KAVERI and wants it completely indigenous..

This is where I get pissed off on our Armed Forces

On the first go they want everything indigenous instead of a gradual procedure and that is why there was so many delays on Arjun and Tejas.

Kaveri is our first attempt and instead of a foreign engine it is way better to have an Indian engine with a French core which can be then replaced later with an upgraded Indian core (Kabini).

 

[Water Car Engineer]

This short list is true.


SAAB confirmed not being in the short list.

Saab: Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme

LINKÖPING, Sweden--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Regulatory News:

Today defence and security company Saab AB (STO:SAABB.st - News) has received information from the Indian Ministry of Defence that Gripen has not been shortlisted for the Indian Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme.

”We are offering India a world class next generation fighter aircraft to a very competitive price and an extensive technology transfer programme. We have received this decision and will closely monitor the future process and provide additional information if requested by the Indian Ministry of Defence. We are confident that the Gripen system is the perfect match for the Indian Air Force as well as meeting the highest requirements for the international markets,” says Håkan Buskhe, President and CEO at Saab.

India is one of Saab’s most important markets. For example, Saab recently announced an investment in a research and development centre in India.

“We are committed to the Indian market and continue our plans for growth and see huge business opportunities in the aerospace, defence and security sectors,” says Håkan Buskhe.

Gripen is in service with the Swedish, Czech Republic, Hungarian, South African and Royal Thai Air Forces. The UK Empire Test Pilots’ School (ETPS) is operating Gripen as its advanced fast jet platform for test pilots worldwide.

Saab serves the global market with world-leading products, services and solutions ranging from military defence to civil security. Saab has operations and employees on all continents and constantly develops, adopts and improves new technology to meet customers’ changing needs.

Saab: Gripen not on the shortlist for the Indian MMRCA programme - Yahoo! Finance


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[RazorMC]

Seems that India was paying attention to the RCS of the aircraft which is a good strategy for air defense in the modern world.
I suggest Rafale, low rcs, better tech and with good looks.

But now India would be looking for better deals esp for ToT.

 

[tallboy123]

Seems that India was paying attention to the RCS of the aircraft which is a good strategy for air defense in the modern world.
I suggest Rafale, low rcs, better tech and with good looks.

But now India would be looking for better deals esp for ToT.

Dassault offers FULL TOT and no End user agreement like US cismoa,or EUMA...
and rafale is Nuke capable too

 

[baker]

ok..... it is very much clear who is going rule asian airspace in future......................... well done MOD good decision..

IAF owners pride ..... neighbors envy .....

 

[President Camacho]

Not needed anymore....

 

[KS]

Forgive me for my ignorance regarding the MRCA, but just wondering if the french are providing any sort of tech-transfer...

They are already providing it for our Kaveri Engine and have promised a whole lot of ToT including AESA radars and integration of Kaveri in the Rafale instead of the Snecma M88 if Rafale is selected.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Forgive me for my ignorance regarding the MRCA, but just wondering if the french are providing any sort of tech-transfer...

HA! French are going all out man!

The French government has cleared full technology transfer of the Rafale to India, including that of the RBE2-AA Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar (which will be integrated with the Rafale by 2010) and the transfer of software source codes, which will allow Indian scientists to re-programme a radar or any sensitive equipment if need be. Without the software source codes, the IAF would have to specify mission parameters to foreign manufacturers to enable configuration of their radar, seriously compromising security in the process.
Dassault has also offered to fit the Kaveri engine into the Rafale, which, if chosen, would greatly improve commonality with the Tejas aircraft that will enter service into the IAF by 2010. Concerns have been raised about cost issues as well as potential sales to Pakistan, which has also expressed interest in the Rafale. However, no such jets have been sold to Pakistan, and India and France have recently agreed to "go beyond a buyer-seller relationship".

Look at that deal!!! Almost too good to be true!!

 

[tallboy123]

self delete

 

[SpArK]

Seems that India was paying attention to the RCS of the aircraft which is a good strategy for air defense in the modern world.
I suggest Rafale, low rcs, better tech and with good looks.

But now India would be looking for better deals esp for ToT.

Critically for India, the transfer-of-technology (T-o-T) would include that of a state-of-the-art Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar that would provide Rafale the ability to also function as a close battlefield support airborne warning and control system (AWACS), apart from its designed function as a fighter. The AESA radar T-o-T would also include transfer of software source code, according to Chabriol.


Chabriol also pointed out that being 100 per cent French also provided Dassault a distinct edge over its competitors on the issue of technology transfer.

''The Gripen is powered by a US engine and has other US components too. Similar is the case with the Eurofighter, which has quite a few American parts. So, they would have to first seek the US government's approval. In the case of the F-18, approval would have to be sought not only of the government but also of parliament (the US Congress).

''This legislative approval is not an issue in our case,'' Chabriol said.

domain-b.com : Dassault ups the ante with full technology transfer for Rafale

 

[tallboy123]

'The Gripen is powered by a US engine and has other US components too. Similar is the case with the Eurofighter, which has quite a few American parts. So, they would have to first seek the US government's approval. In the case of the F-18, approval would have to be sought not only of the government but also of parliament (the US Congress).

that point has to be noted before going for EF...
But Rafale doesnt have any problem like EF has in this issue

 

[Prometheus]

Rafeal will be the arch angel of indian air force