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Plans For Further Rafale Upgrades Emerge
Jun 7, 2011
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With a new round of Rafale upgrades nearing completion, the French military and defense industry are starting to look at the long-term future of the twin-engine fighter.

Although much of the focus is on a potential mid-life upgrade (MLU) that is still several years away, development activities to prepare the technology would have to start significantly sooner. Potential radar cross-section (RCS) improvements are under consideration, as are equipping the fighter with additional radar arrays for greater spherical coverage and adding thrust vector control to the two M88 turbojets. The MLU configuration is not expected to emerge until around 2025.

Long-range planning is possible because many of the core capabilities deemed necessary for the domestic user and potential export customers are now nearing the end of development. With the F3-04T standard, which is due for delivery in 2013, the Dassault Aviation Rafale will receive its active, electronically scanned array RBE2 radar, developed by Thales; an improved missile-warning system (the DDM-NG); and upgraded forward-sight optronics. Qualification of those elements is due for completion in mid-2012 with delivery anticipated in 2013, says Stephane Reb, program manager for French defense procurement agency DGA.

Another near-term activity is the potential launch of a major upgrade of Rafale’s Damocles laser targeting pod, which would introduce video capability to the system. The effort is slated to be put on contract this year.

Damocles uses an infrared sensor, but the French military has also identified a need for a TV channel, which could prove particularly useful in urban operations. That addition would provide a crisper picture to more clearly identify targets. Both IR and TV feeds can be downlinked to ground troops via the Rover system.

As a result of the changes, the pod will require a major redesign, Reb says. Because the outer shell of the pod will change slightly, some regression flight testing will be needed.

If current plans hold, technology prototypes could be flying next year; the system could be fielded around 2016, depending on funding.

The existing processing architecture should allow Rafale to receive needed improvements in the near term without any significant hardware or software changes until the MLU emerges, Reb says. He notes that ideas such as RCS improvement and thrust vector control are just that, ideas. The exact road map “has still to be built.”

But that’s not to say that elements such as the radar cross section are not already being considered as design changes are implemented. To support a 9-ton thrust version of the M88 turbojet—sought by potential export customer United Arab Emirates—Rafale’s engine intakes would have to be increased by about 1.5 cm. To help mitigate any negative impact on the fighter’s RCS, some material changes may be made as part of the modification if it goes into production.

Many of the modifications would be on the systems side, though. For instance, the side arrays would be used to increase radar coverage. A Thales official notes that, long term, those additions make more sense than fitting the RBE2 active, electronically scanned ar-ay (AESA) radar with a repositioner;· the latter is being considered for the Saab Gripen NG and Eurofighter Typhoon to increase the field of view of their future AESAs.


Furthermore, Rafale’s Specter electronic-warfare suite also is set for more iterations. One effort would be to add a single-ship precision emitter geolocation capability to the fighter. And, government and industry officials are saying that the eventual retirement of the Mirage 2000s Astac electronic intelligence pod means Rafale will take on that role.

Another improvement being considered for the electronic warfare system involves enhanced jamming techniques. However, the DDM‑NG missile-warning upgrade now being developed for Rafale would support use of a directed infrared countermeasures subsystem.

Research and development studies to equip the fighter with satellite communications and software-defined radios are also being considered.

A more far out MLU idea involves integrating the ability to control unmanned aircraft into Rafale.

Meanwhile, the French navy next month expects to inaugurate its second operational unit, 11F, to be collocated with 12F at Landisvisiau near Brest, France.

The move comes as the inventory of single-seat Dassault Aviation Rafale Ms is starting to grow.

Photo: Dassault

Plans For Further Rafale Upgrades Emerge | AVIATION WEEK
 
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Plans For Further Rafale Upgrades Emerge

Furthermore, Rafale’s Specter electronic-warfare suite also is set for more iterations. One effort would be to add a single-ship precision emitter geolocation capability to the fighter. And, government and industry officials are saying that the eventual retirement of the Mirage 2000s Astac electronic intelligence pod means Rafale will take on that role.

Sancho, have you been lying to us? :undecided: Why are they trying to add something that you claim is current SPECTRA capability? :coffee:
 
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yup...i also got the same question:p

Yes Sancho has been relentless in his claim of superior passive geolocation for Spectra and Rafale and now we discover single ship geolocation is a future planned enhancement - interesting :rolleyes:

More about Analyseur de Signaux TACtiques (ASTAC)

The Analyseur de Signaux TACtiques (ASTAC) electronic reconnaissance system consists of an internally or pod-mounted airborne sensor package and an associated ground processing station. It is intended to perform detection, identification and location of 'any' radar type in a 'very dense' environment. A datalink between the pod application and the ground station enables a 'very rapid' build-up of electronic orders of battle. The main characteristics of the system are a 'very wide' frequency coverage, 'wide' instantaneous bandwidth, 'high' sensitivity, 'high' discriminating power and 'high' direction-finding accuracy (using interferometry). The system is fully automatic, fully reprogrammable and is capable of processing up to 20 radars/s. More specifically, it can handle pulse modulated (with pulse repetition internal diversity/agility, pulse compression and radio frequency diversity/agility), Continuous Wave (CW) and interrupted CW emitters and makes use of two wideband, compressive, surface acoustic wave receivers. Here, one receiver is used to obtain a very precise measurement of radar frequency and the two together can handle frequency-agile emitters. The system uses interferometer phase-measuring antenna arrays to determine the azimuth of any threat emitter operating within the 0.5 to 18 GHz frequency range (with 0.1 to 0.5 GHz or 18 to 40 GHz coverage as options). When packaged as a pod, ASTAC can store acquired data in an onboard recording subsystem as well as transmit it to its associated ground station (using an Ultra High Frequency (UHF - 300 MHz to 3 GHz) datalink).

http://articles..com/articles/-Rada...-INTelligence-ELINT-system-International.html
 
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Sancho, have you been lying to us? :undecided: Why are they trying to add something that you claim is current SPECTRA capability? :coffee:

They are not trying to add, but upgrading the capability, they have if for nearly a decade now and only because many others just come up with it now, it doesn't mean they would just sit and wait. Same reasons why they already develop GaN modules for later AESA radar and SPECTRA upgrades, why they have an higher thrust engines , or CFTs since the early 2000s.
Btw, without geolocation capability, Rafale couldn't be used in SEAD missions in Libya isn't it? :whistle:
 
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They are not trying to add, but upgrading the capability, they have if for nearly a decade now and only because many others just come up with it now, it doesn't mean they would just sit and wait. Same reasons why they already develop GaN modules for later AESA radar and SPECTRA upgrades, why they have an higher thrust engines , or CFTs since the early 2000s.
Btw, without geolocation capability, Rafale couldn't be used in SEAD missions in Libya isn't it? :whistle:

thnxx bro...
 
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They are not trying to add, but upgrading the capability, they have if for nearly a decade now and only because many others just come up with it now, it doesn't mean they would just sit and wait. Same reasons why they already develop GaN modules for later AESA radar and SPECTRA upgrades, why they have an higher thrust engines , or CFTs since the early 2000s.
Btw, without geolocation capability, Rafale couldn't be used in SEAD missions in Libya isn't it? :whistle:

Geolocating stationary ground emitters was never in doubt, but can the Rafale single ship geolocate fast moving aerial emitters as you have frequently claimed? I'm not so sure it can, do you have any trusted source that says it can?
 
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Geolocating stationary ground emitters was never in doubt, but can the Rafale single ship geolocate fast moving aerial emitters as you have frequently claimed? I'm not so sure it can, do you have any trusted source that says it can?

Depends what you mean with trusted? A french pilot that says SPECTRA detected and guided MICA passively might not be enough isn't it? :) Also ground emmiters / defences don't have to be stationary as well, many SAM systems and their radars are mobile today and can be relocated when detected as well. Geolocating (as far as I understands it), gives more data about the target then simpler locating techniques by older RWR for example. That's why the EW systems in the Prowler and Growler were often way more advanced than in normal fighter EW systems, Rafale is the first wide spread system that has such high capabilities integrated and the F16 B60, or others will follow now, or with the next upgrades.
 
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Depends what you mean with trusted? A french pilot that says SPECTRA detected and guided MICA passively might not be enough isn't it? :) Also ground emmiters / defences don't have to be stationary as well, many SAM systems and their radars are mobile today and can be relocated when detected as well. Geolocating (as far as I understands it), gives more data about the target then simpler locating techniques by older RWR for example. That's why the EW systems in the Prowler and Growler were often way more advanced than in normal fighter EW systems, Rafale is the first wide spread system that has such high capabilities integrated and the F16 B60, or others will follow now, or with the next upgrades.

No a pilots incomplete narration on the passive use of MICA isn't enough, it does not tell us much. Mobile SAM units take between 20 minutes to a few hours to relocate in addition the radar on such units are never operating when the vehicle is in motion. Geolocating a fast flying aggressively maneuvering fighter is way more challenging then detecting surface emitters.
 
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you should be doing your own research rather just trusting someone who known for making false claims...

:lol: Still waiting for you to prove that there is a final Mig 35 prototype with all the claimed changes, but I guess you need some more time to search, because the chance to find it is not that high.
 
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WHEN is the decision coming??

Of MMRCA? Somewhere later this year, they now has to open the compercial bids, compare them, if necessary add another round of negotiations and then will take a decision on which fighter/offer is the best suited to their (IAF/ possibly IN/ GoI / Indian defence industry) requirements.
 
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Of MMRCA? Somewhere later this year, they now has to open the compercial bids, compare them, if necessary add another round of negotiations and then will take a decision on which fighter/offer is the best suited to their (IAF/ possibly IN/ GoI / Indian defence industry) requirements.

Should one be pessimistic about that timeframe... considering the inordinate delays in the Mirage 2000 upgrade program, specifically by the finance guys?
Is the decision going to be based solely on the most commercially attractive option( advantage EF).. or is the international political scenario expected to table the decision a bit more after the commercial proposals have been scrutinized?
 
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