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India seeks full membership of SCO

even a quack journalist would know that the article is the defining stance/answer to the final question you proposed vs pontificating on what posters post on a forum.

NOT at all. it only defines the question viz a viz Congress Govt. what the hardliner Indians want , and what many Indian members on this thread who are opposing joining SCO,
 
NOT at all. it only defines the question viz a viz Congress Govt. what the hardliner Indians want , and what many Indian members on this thread who are opposing joining SCO,

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" NEW DELHI: For the first time, India has officially sought full membership of Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO),
 
Really ??? What about our actions as U.N peacekeeping forces around the globe , our actions against Piracy etc etc . Dont present your opinion as facts please .

You get paid to do that. UN peacekeeping allowance is somewhat higher than the actual costs and salary in the mission, that is why today's UN peacekeeping business is dominated by low income countries. The IN's mission against piracy is also important to your economy because 80 maybe 90% of india's oil relies on imports.
 
Afghanistan will join SCO - eventually

Features & OpinionAfghanistan will join SCO - eventually

Meeting of SCO Council of Heads of Government

Shanghai Cooperation Organization
The documents approved at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization's foreign ministers' meeting in Almaty, Kazakhstan, on Saturday all highlight Afghanistan. The regional organization believes its development will heavily depend on that country, where a drawdown of U.S. and NATO troops is in the offing.

Their leaving will change the region, but it will not necessarily become safer or more understandable.

Scenario

The SCO is a powerful political organization that works year-round at many levels, from high-powered summits to student meetings. It is a classic regional organization similar to ASEAN in Southeast Asia or Mercosur in Latin America, with meetings bringing together heads of state and government, ministers of defense, ministers of culture, heads of antinarcotics agencies and even bankers. It also has programs aimed at creating a common security and cooperation space in Central Asia.

The SCO member-states - Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan - are all regional or neighboring countries.

The SCO Council of Foreign Ministers usually meets shortly before the organization's summits. This year it met to approve the scenario for the SCO summit which will be held in Astana, Kazakhstan's new capital, on June 15. Such meetings usually discuss the organization's plans for the coming year rather than the final documents.

During their meeting in Almaty, the ministers agreed on a number of documents Whether or not to grant member or observer status to countries in the region is one of the key issues facing the SCO, because the future of both the region and the organization depends on the decisions made.

New age

India, Pakistan, Iran and Mongolia all hold observer status at the SCO, which has so far kept Afghanistan at arm's length, although President Hamid Karzai attends its summits as a guest.

Events in and around Afghanistan actually led to the establishment of the SCO in 2001, after a number of meetings between the leaders of the countries located along the former Soviet-Chinese border.

Their goal was to make the border safer and relations in the region more predictable. By summer 2001, they all faced a common threat: the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. This helped cement their relations and led to the SCO's formation.

Many years prior to that, in 1967, Southeast Asian nations created ASEAN to ward off the Communist threat coming from China and its "cultural revolution."

In the summer of 2001, Taliban preachers freely crossed the border into Uzbekistan and Tajikistan where subversive organizations were created and the threat of terrorists seizing power in each of the two countries became palpable. Three months after the SCO was founded, the United States was hit by the worst terrorist attack in its history. The situation across the region changed radically after Washington decided to send troops into Afghanistan to fight the terrorist threat.

I witnessed the historic meeting of SCO foreign ministers in Beijing in January 2002, when they discussed whether the organization would be effective in this new changed reality. They agreed that it would be even more instrumental than ever before, because its mission was to save Central Asian states from the fate that befell Laos and Cambodia during the Vietnam War. Without it, the Central Asian states were at risk of being carved up by the Untied States and the other global powers, which would topple their regimes and set up military bases wherever they liked without as much as asking the sovereign states for permission.

The United States and other countries that fought in Vietnam were offered an opportunity to cooperate with this group of countries, united by a common understanding of their interests in the region. America's reaction to that offer is another matter, and is no longer relevant.

But that era is now drawing to a close. The Untied States and NATO will eventually pull out of Afghanistan and scale down operations in Pakistan. The process may be long or short, but one way or another it will end. When that happens, Afghanistan will become the scene of competition or coexistence of the interests of China, India, Pakistan, and possibly Russia, Uzbekistan and other SCO member-states and observer countries. They must prepare for this change of scene.

New members

It was rumored ahead of the SCO foreign ministers' meeting in Almaty that the ministers and the upcoming summit in Astana would prioritize the admission of new members, although the summit will most likely only approve the paperwork applicants will have to submit.

Admitting new members would be appropriate given the changed reality. Iran, which has long coveted SCO membership, will not be a problem. If its policy gradually becomes more civilized and transparent and the issue of the UN sanctions to force Iran to abandon its nuclear programs is resolved, Iran will be admitted to the SCO, because it is a partner to many countries in the region.

But if that happens, it would also be logical to admit India and Pakistan, although China is against granting India membership. Otherwise Afghanistan risks becoming caught up in a tug-of-war between at least two regional powers.

Afghanistan will most likely be granted observer status and then further down the line full membership of the SCO, if only because the SCO's antinarcotics strategy can not succeed unless Afghanistan is incorporated.

Afghanistan will join SCO - eventually | Features & Opinion | RIA Novosti
 
If India joins SCO that's fine, if it doesn't thats fine too.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I just want to see some military exercise pics if they join, that's all..

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Russia to Include Pakistan in the SCO Puzzle

Quite unexpectedly, Russia has been pursuing closer ties with countries which have been seen entirely as US clients. Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov just returned from an ice-breaking visit to Iraq, where different ideas for economic cooperation were discussed. And Russian President Dmitry Medvedev received his Pakistani counterpart, Asif Ali Zardari, with whom he discussed a range of economic issues, including cooperation in the energy sector (electricity and gas) as well as industrial projects. But the main declaration from the Moscow meeting was political and not economic. Medvedev publicly endorsed Pakistan’s claim to join the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO). This is a remarkable move indicating a new stage in the organization’s development.


Russian-Pakistani relations have historically been frosty, but have improved recently. The additional intrigue surrounding Zardari’s Moscow meeting stemmed from the crisis in relations between Pakistan and its main patron, the US. Despite all differences in the past, rooted mainly in the experience from the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, current Russian interest in Pakistan is tied to attempts to clarify the Afghan situation, which determines the atmosphere in Central Asia. For now it is becoming increasingly unpredictable. The US strategy is vague, the situation inside Afghanistan is unstable, and the possibility of coordinating efforts with neighboring states remains unclear.

Russia and neighboring countries are not interested in a quick US withdrawal, as it could lead to the Taliban’s return to power, or – probably even worse – chaotic civil war in the country with inevitable spillover into all bordering territories. Meanwhile, neighboring countries do not want US bases permanently stationed in Afghanistan either. Russia, China, India and Iran have all supported a “regional” solution, advocating in the middle-term a reliance on authorities in Kabul rather than on Western troops. The format of that solution is very vague. Zardari’s Moscow trip, made immediately after the strategic Chinese-Pakistani consultations in late April and Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi’s visit to Moscow last week, was expected to give a boost to the discussions.

One of Moscow’s ideas for a regional solution involves an enhanced role for the SCO, the most representative organization in the region. During the upcoming SCO summit in Astana in June, member states are expected to lift the unofficial moratorium on the admission of new members that was imposed in 2006. India and Pakistan are the most likely candidates. The possible admission of those two countries is a delicate issue because of their very tense bilateral relations. Until recently, Russia would have liked to see India become a full member, while China preferred Pakistan. Medvedev’s statement shows that Moscow’s position is actually changing in favor of Islamabad, while New Delhi’s endorsement remains. Indian nervous reaction is easy to predict, but it can be addressed by the Chinese lifting their objections to India’s membership.

The Afghan question is perceived as something that has the potential to unite the SCO member states. The interests of India and Pakistan in the region are unlikely to coincide, but a multilateral format could ease their bilateral tensions by introducing external factors. Besides, if relations between Pakistan and the US continue to deteriorate, Islamabad could be forced to be more active in diversifying its contacts.

To be frank, the US has good reason to mistrust its Asian partner, due to its very dubious commitment to fight terrorists. At the same time, the enormous complicity of Pakistani society must be taken into account – putting more pressure on Islamabad to force it to up the ante in its fight against the radicals might fatally destabilize the country and its government. The Pakistani leadership’s efforts to reduce external pressure by diversifying its international contacts have provoked ire in Washington, but it can be useful in order to restore a certain ability to govern in a very tricky region

Russia to Include Pakistan in the SCO Puzzle | PKKH.tv

all those who think india is allow to join think again.
 
India cannot be non-aligned. It would be stupid to admit a non-aligned member into SCO. India must be pro-SCO and US interests would have to come second to SCO.

If it doesnt do that, it won't be accepted. This won't hurt SCO since India is not geostrategically important for SCO.
 
what's up with the hostility from chinese members towards india inclusion into sco?

imagine with all the resources of central asia, russia and the market of India, china... this would be surely the richest bloc if they cohesively work together.
 
Not necessarily. Considering the fact that energy and security are amongst some of the things emcompassed by the bloc. Pakistan in fact have more roles to play in that area as they are in brotherly terms with the 'Organisation of the Islamic Conference' which India isn't a part of. Countries within OIC are important for the future energy needs and development for China and Russia, therefore Pakistan plays a crucial role here.

When you have 2 states one a member and another an observer that have some of the largest reserves of oil in the world (Russia and Iran) along with members that are energy rich central states, the main concern is security of the black gold....
Whether it comes from the OIC or the Oil rich Iran...security of this oil is the main concern.....

OIC will trade oil to the Chinese and Russians no matter what...because its business....and if it doesnt, that will be because of the US and Pakistan does not have enough influence as a non muslim country like the US has in the Organization of Islamic Countries....LOL!

On the other hand, the advantage of India comes in the form of its strong navy that has vast experience in anti-piracy missions....Pakistani navy is more a defensive navy aimed at protecting the coastline...India will play a key role in protecting any oil that comes through the Arabian Sea..

And lets be honest, one cannot expect that India will just play ball to Chinese ships roaming around freely in the Arabian Sea without taking India on board.

FYI: India has more influence over Iran than Pakistan and will come in handy when bringing Iran on board if Iran's oil sources are to be tapped....

Pakistan, with the help of both China and Russia can help transform and make full use the Gwadar Port which would generate billions in revenue and bring about further jobs investments into Pakistan.

Why do you need Gwadar when another observer nations Iran has a port in the form of Chahabar that is closer to the ME (where oil comes from) and has better infrastructure with rail and road connecting to Afghanistan....This can be leveraged for better transportation if the road is extended further into CARs and China...

Furthermore Chahabr does not pose the same security issues as going through Pakistan's Gwadar that is bang in the south of Balochistan which is currently facing a seperatist struggle (one that the PA has not been able to rope in) and has elements of Taliban....

From a security perspective, this does not bode as a good option just yet....at least not until Pak is rid of its extremist problem

Pakistan is also facing energy shortage, therefore Kyrgyzstan will surely welcome having Pakistan onboard and look to the possibility of stabilizing Afghanistan to make the CASA-1000 project possible.

Are you underestimating India's energy need? Any day the Indian market outranks Pakistan in terms of economic benefit....

Indians are equally if not more invested in stabalizing Afghanistan....so the feeling is mutual.


If India wants to make the TAPI project possible, then they will have to work ever more closely with Pakistan and drop the 'one or the other' mentality. Unless they want to lose out on it and have China turn it into a TAPC project.

The stairs go both ways....

And I find the idle threats amusing....China should go for what is in their best interest and so should Turkmenistan.....I only ask that India make the best deal possible that guarantees its energy security....
And if the IPI gas deal is to be taken as an example, India has enough options to make up for the loss...
Do remember Indians dont make compromises when it comes to their interests...

Therefore I would have to disagree with your initial thought that India brings more to the table than Pakistan does. Fact of the matter is, both India and Pakistan have different characteristics and roles to play :azn:

I stand by my statement....thanks for trying to convince though
 
I only ask that India make the best deal possible that guarantees its energy security....

And what do you think is the right decision, to guarantee your energy security?

India doesn't border Central Asia, so India doesn't have to worry about border security in that region.

India also doesn't need to worry about extremists crossing the border from Central Asia, since there is no border.
 
And what do you think is the right decision, to guarantee your energy security?

That like the IPI, the TAPI should guarantee costing at the point of entry....If the guarantee cannot be made due to Pakistans lack of co-operation in securing a pact of uninterrupted supply (the burden of which falls on Turkmenistan's dealing with Pak), then we should just back out....

As the poster suggested, the TAPI can be a TAPC....the loss of the Indian market can surely be made up by China I would think... but India cannot allow Pakistan to have leverage over it in anyways....especially when it comes to energy related issues...
Im sure we can find alternate sources of energy as we have done successfully in the past..

Thats my POV on the best deal possible.
 
That like the IPI, the TAPI should guarantee costing at the point of entry....If the guarantee cannot be made due to Pakistans lack of co-operation in securing a pact of uninterrupted supply (the burden of which falls on Turkmenistan's dealing with Pak), then we should just back out....

As the poster suggested, the TAPI can be a TAPC....the loss of the Indian market can surely be made up by China I would think... but India cannot allow Pakistan to have leverage over it in anyways....especially when it comes to energy related issues...
Im sure we can find alternate sources of energy as we have done successfully in the past..

Thats my POV on the best deal possible.

Fair enough.

Central Asia is one of the most resource-rich regions in the world, along with the OIC nations and Africa.

Let's see what happens.
 
And what do you think is the right decision, to guarantee your energy security?

India doesn't border Central Asia, so India doesn't have to worry about border security in that region.

India also doesn't need to worry about extremists crossing the border from Central Asia, since there is no borde
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Security also means that the gas gets to its intended destination without being interrupted by a nation that has a history of using blackmail as a tool....
So as I mentioned, Turkmenistan has to gurantee pricing at point of entry and convince Pakistan to sign a deal that will not hinder supply in times of war/trouble....
 
Security also means that the gas gets to its intended destination without being interrupted by a nation that has a history of using blackmail as a tool....
So as I mentioned, Turkmenistan has to gurantee pricing at point of entry and convince Pakistan to sign a deal that will not hinder supply in times of war/trouble....

Sir, more and cheaper oil that no one will think too much.
 
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