India’s bid for permanent UNSC seat falters

[Marathaman]

Its a political motive. The troops train together to "form ties" etc etc lots of pictures of officers shaking hands etc etc And a few co-operational "training exercises" It's basically a PR thing. similar tho the sino-pak exercise that you can see in the gallery. It doesn't mean the Chinese came to learn from the PAK army.

If it was an exercise to increase interoperability, it would have been publicized as such.
The americans said that they had come to learn from Indian expertise in counterinsurgency operations. If they just wanted publicity, why go all the way to a counterinsurgency school in mizoram?
Were they lying just to boost Indian egos? Thats a rather strange way to do it don't you think?

 

[Keysersoze]

If it was an exercise to increase interoperability, it would have been publicized as such.
The americans said that they had come to learn from Indian expertise in counterinsurgency operations.
Were they lying just to boost Indian egos?

Yes.........

 

[Marathaman]

Yes.........

You got any sources for your claims? Unlikely. Its just your opinion. Maybe you just can't accept the fact that the Indian army learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Why u guys always want to bring China with India's name? China's FDI is at least 5 times more then India. Pak FDI for 2006-07 was $7 billion, hardly a small amount.

Love to bring Pakistan too.

But it does not competitively feature unfortunately!

 

[Keysersoze]

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I wouldn't know.

Ask the British and the Americans.

They must be plumb stupid to come to India and waste their time!



India has pulled out of the Siachen Glacier? That is news to me.

How many exteme altitude battles are there? Ask Musharraf. He was there! if I told you, you would not believe it, so why should I try? I hope you beleive in Musharraf! Or are you the BB and NS man?

Sweetheart, expeditions and high altitude warfare and prolonged stay are different kettles of fish. Since you don't even know that, it is better left unsaid!

Arctic? Temperature please and also the physical degradation of high altitude may please be taken into account! Come, copme, I am not impressed.

I require nothing to pad my ego. If someone else does it for me, so be it, old bean!

In fact, you are right that the American could go to anywhere to learn. Ideal would be FATA and NWFP. After all, that is where the problem starts! I wonder what prevent them!

Silly of them to use drones and missiles there!

Let me fill you in a bit more then......I have climbed high alt mountains (Its part of what I do a s a civilian. I have lived in the Rockies AND Lapland (-30 and lower without windchill) and learned from some ex Finnish soldiers how to operate. And know how to operate at higher altitude (My company was part of a study of the effects of prolonged exposure to altitude (in the Himalayas just so you know.) I learned jungle/desert an counter insurgency in Africa/central America as well as on operations. What could you guys teach me? Apart from how to make a good curry?

So you have been up to altitude in **** equipment huh? you sound like a real hero

Oh if anyone wants some mountaineering kit let me know I'll do you a good deal!

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Its a political motive. The troops train together to "form ties" etc etc lots of pictures of officers shaking hands etc etc And a few co-operational "training exercises" It's basically a PR thing. similar tho the sino-pak exercise that you can see in the gallery. It doesn't mean the Chinese came to learn from the PAK army.

But of course.

Wie Sie wollen = As you wish.

Reveille old boy.

You don't do it repeatedly at a small little school with a different set of troops all the time!

Exercises are for forming ties and not training at small schools of military instructions!

Come to Siachen and understand the difference.

Even the town of Dras is said to be the second coldest place on Earth!

So, tell your story to the Marines!

Please don't go by what I say. Google on Siachen and check the environment!

Can't teach you to make a good curry since you are in the UK. Meet a Bangladeshi cook in an 'Indian' Restaurant and he will do the trick!

Yes I was there but I am no hero. It is but a part of my career!

Fellows like you would make a song and a dance about it as you are doing about climbing some hill, but not I, because it was routine!

 

[EagleEyes]

You got any sources for your claims? Unlikely. Its just your opinion. Maybe you just can't accept the fact that the Indian army learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations.

Now isn't that your opinion also? Can you provide links that Indian army has learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations? I dont believe it. Why because i see soldiers commiting suicide.

The purpose is to take it, or leave it.

 

[Marathaman]

Now isn't that your opinion also? Can you provide links that Indian army has learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations? I dont believe it. Why because i see soldiers commiting suicide.

The purpose is to take it, or leave it.

It is not my opinion. The fact that US claimed to have learnt from Indian troops is my source. Have you got a better one?

Please don't link suicides with SOPs. There is very little that links them together.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

USA army learning from Indian army? Is this a joke? How one can think for a moment that army who is decades ahead in terms experience and technology (USA) will learn from some one is decades behind (IA)? Yes only Indians can think like this.

 

[EagleEyes]

It is not my opinion. The fact that US claimed to have learnt from Indian troops is my source. Have you got a better one?

Please don't link suicides with SOPs. There is very little that links them together.

Ever heard of US pitching F-16, F-18, and nuclear deal with India. Call it as a good guesture of US for starting a new strategic relationship. Getting the few cadets trained there from scratch doesn't make them heroes.

I am flattered. Such sources in your opinion are greater than the sources of GoP. I wonder why.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Now isn't that your opinion also? Can you provide links that Indian army has learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations? I dont believe it. Why because i see soldiers commiting suicide.

The purpose is to take it, or leave it.

Are you suggesting that the Pak Army has not learnt anything from its experience in the NWFP and FATA?

Am I to understand these experiences are on the web to provide links?

If so, could we have some links to the experience of the Pak Army in FATA and NWFP?

Please be rational.

 

[bhangra12345]

Now isn't that your opinion also? Can you provide links that Indian army has learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations? I dont believe it. Why because i see soldiers commiting suicide.

The purpose is to take it, or leave it.

can you provide me the links that you(webmaster individually) have learnt something useful from childhood at eating? I dont believe it. You still get some ulcers sometimes.

I regard both this question and your question of the same type.

What the heck are of you asking? We have eliminated insurgency from Punjab. We have been controlling them in north-east from a long time and controlling it in kashmir since the last 20 years. Oh! I forgot the maoist thing. and Indian army doesnt know abc's of controlling insurgency and counter-terror operation. Get yourselves a new type of specs.

 

[EagleEyes]

Oh guys please........ See where it came from.

They are not even my views.

It is a talk of providing sources, and backing them up.

Read a few posts above, and i am sorry if i hurt your feelings.

HINT: See where the official government website link was rejected by Marathaman, and malaymishra.

Cheers.

 

[Keysersoze]

You got any sources for your claims? Unlikely. Its just your opinion. Maybe you just can't accept the fact that the Indian army learnt something useful from 20 years of counter-terror operations.

Think and put aside your ego's for a second.........how many wars (counter insurgency) have America and the U.K. been involved in?

Heres a few....
U.S.
Vietnam (10 years)
Iraq (6 Years)
Not to mention the various wars where "American advisors" have been involved.

U.K.
Malaya (12 years)
Kenyan Mau Mau uprising (4 years)
Borneo (5 years)
Aden (2 years)
Northern Ireland (from 1969 onwards)
various special forces involvements
Oman (5 years)

Now my opinion comes from experience of these so called training exercises.

 

[Marathaman]

I am flattered. Such sources in your opinion are greater than the sources of GoP. I wonder why.

Webby bhai..I never claimed that. I am just saying that my source is better than yours...since you don't have one. Want to dispute that?

India has had many successes in CT operations and is very well experienced in that regard.