India’s bid for permanent UNSC seat falters

[Awesome]

agreed mate ....but then who gona look into matters like "DAFFUR"

what daffur matters?

 

[Contrarian]

The genocide in Darfur. Dont tell me you dont know about it.

 

[Awesome]

The genocide in Darfur. Dont tell me you dont know about it.

ah, Darfur.

I thought our Hindu/Urdu wala daffur.

 

[Contrarian]

Asim, either its hindi/urdu or its hindu/muslim, there is no hindu/urdu !!

But what is the hindi/urdu wala daffur? I dont know it.

 

[Shabaz Sharif]

Mish,

India have lower per capita income then Pakistan. And about economic growth well in 05 was 9% then after earth quake 6.6 and this year 7%. Average of 7.5% in last three years is not bad at all.

 

[A.Rahman]

Mish,

India have lower per capita income then Pakistan. And about economic growth well in 05 was 9% then after earth quake 6.6 and this year 7%. Average of 7.5% in last three years is not bad at all.

There is big difference of poverty levels in Pakistan & India

you forgot to add that 700 million Indians cant afford toilet in their homes.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Asim,

Daffur is an ideal example of the internecine struggle amongst the Moslem for supremacy.

It was the historic supremacy struggle between the Shia Sunni and now it is Arabs and Blacks!

Therefore, those who advocate the Caliphate and the Ummah should take a second guess!

Man is an ambitious animal and man's psychology apparently wants to be supreme!

This is the month of Ramadan or Ramazan.

It is time for introspection and cleasing!

 

[Keysersoze]

Asim,

Daffur is an ideal example of the internecine struggle amongst the Moslem for supremacy.

It was the historic supremacy struggle between the Shia Sunni and now it is Arabs and Blacks!

Therefore, those who advocate the Caliphate and the Ummah should take a second guess!

Man is an ambitious animal and man's psychology apparently wants to be supreme!

This is the month of Ramadan or Ramazan.

It is time for introspection and cleasing!

Sorry Salim but you can't use Africa as an example. The conflict has more to do with ethnic and tribal differences. And there have been thousands of examples of such behaviour.

 

[EagleEyes]

No mate, for the last 5 years, we have been consistently growing at >8% rate, while Pakistan i think managed that just once. And its inflation is much higher and its growth rate has slowed down again to around 7% with inflation still higher than the growth rate.
Apart from that there is the economy of scale. The sheer size of India's economy makes it a very suitable candidate and very important economically, same reason as China's. They are just too big to ignore.

Its not about coping with any challenges. Its about projecting power. That is where India leads Pakistan. Dont you wonder why India is spending money like crazy on its Navy, same as China. Navy is the IDEAL tool to project power.Why there are plans to increase the AF strength to 49 sqd's. Its not about need, its about projection.

No it has to be military very strong, project power, command an economy that cannot be ignored, that is vital for world trade, have democracy and next, be on the good books of all the major world powers.

If thats what it is, than India is just not prepeared to take that position for now. May be it will be able to in 10-20 years. However, by that time Pakistan should see some changes in its doctrine for naval power. During the British days, The Royal Pakistani Navy was given the top priority. After the constitution it was suppose to be Army - > Navy - > then Air Force. However, due to starting from scratch, not much experience, the navy fell behind to the third priority armed force, but i am sure this is going to change, and it is slowly.

 

[Contrarian]

If thats what it is, than India is just not prepeared to take that position for now. May be it will be able to in 10-20 years.

You hit the nail on the head mate. That is the reason India is in no hurry. Our economic growth is, simply put awsome, our economy will continue to grow and within 1-2 decades we will be one of the top 3 economies in the world by scale. Indian military expenditure will grow accordingly, remember, its pegged with the GDP. Its will grow to be phenomenal, and already our Navy is the 4th largest in the world. India's military will be formidable in Asia not just South Asia.

While any kind of delay does not hurt India as its rising, it hurts Japan/Germany enormously. Their golden period is over, they will be overtaken soon by both China and India. Their influence will only diminish as time goes on. Their peak influence in the world is long gone. They dont have the military either. Its almost like a now or never shot for Japan atleast. Thats why they want to hurry. India OTOH will have more and more chance later on.

However, by that time Pakistan should see some changes in its doctrine for naval power. During the British days, The Royal Pakistani Navy was given the top priority. After the constitution it was suppose to be Army - > Navy - > then Air Force. However, due to starting from scratch, not much experience, the navy fell behind to the third priority armed force, but i am sure this is going to change, and it is slowly.

Sure it will change mate, but the concept here is relatively. PN will definitely increase in size, but IN will be correspondingly HUGE. Indian Military expenditure will be through the roof and in the end, there will be only one dominant Navy in the region, ie IN.

Try as anyone might, it will be hard to ignore India in the future.

 

[Contrarian]

Incidentally when was Pakistan's GDP growht rate >9% ? Can some one please enlighten me.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Sorry Salim but you can't use Africa as an example. The conflict has more to do with ethnic and tribal differences. And there have been thousands of examples of such behaviour.

But for Christ's sake, what about the Ummah?

Does it differentiate between Arabs and Blacks, Pakistanis and Indonesians etc?

Ummah (Arabic: أم&#1577 is an Arabic word meaning Community or Nation. It is commonly used to mean either the collective nation of states, or (in the context of pan-Arabism) the whole Arab world. In the context of Islam, the word ummah is used to mean the diaspora or "Community of the Believers" (ummat al-mu'minin), and thus the whole Muslim world.

If what you say is right, then the concept of Ummah is artificial and false!

 

[Keysersoze]

I think the major problem Malay with your hypothesis is that economic growth will remain a constant. I personally don't think Indian growth is even enough, to sustain growth at these levels. Even China's growth is not sustainable at the levels they have been expanding.

 

[Marathaman]

But for Christ's sake, what about the Ummah?

HAHA....Ummah for Christ's sake!!

I think the major problem Malay with your hypothesis is that economic growth will remain a constant. I personally don't think Indian growth is even enough, to sustain growth at these levels. Even China's growth is not sustainable at the levels they have been expanding.

Why will it remain a constant? There's no economic theory like that.

Obviously India won't grow at present rates forever....it will slow down eventually to a nice pace....but how exactly is that bad for India?

 

[Contrarian]

China has been averaging its growth rate for around more than a decade mate. Its not been even 5 years for us mate. I think that no matter what, the growth rate will remain above 7% at all costs. Infrastructure remains the single major bottleneck to this growth rate, and the govt has been investing heavily now. The question is, will it be enough. I think for atleast another 5-7 years, the growth rate will be the same as is now, ie >8%.