india receives first of 4 new 15b class destroyers

[MH.Yang]

The positioning of 054A in the Chinese navy is ocean escort, medium-range air defense (40-70 km), and it also has strong anti submarine capability. The disadvantage of 054A is low speed (max 28 knots), there is no phased array radar, and HQ9 cannot be installed due to tonnage constraints.
However, 054A is equipped with high-speed data link and data fusion system. It can use 052D or 055 radar through CEC capability to make up for the weakness of HQ16. That's why I said that if 054A fight in a large fleet and use the radar of other warships through CEC, 054A can able to defeat the Kolkata-class .
054A also has the greatest advantage. The price is very cheap, and the retired 054A is very popular and easy to sell.

 

[SMX 3.0]

'and a maximum un-refueled radius is 12,000 kilometers or 8,000 miles.'

So what's the definition of range in the line I quoted?

Delhi, kolkata and vizag destroyers have a range of 7200km to 7400km. The arleigh burke has over 8000km...

How is that much different?

The max-range of 054A is 8000 nautical miles (when speed 15 knots). Only four 054A (warship 529, warship 530, warship 568 and warship 570) have a max-range of 4000 nautical miles.

The data on Chinese military capabilities are scant, unreliable & unofficial as always.

You haven't told me how having multiple bands will help you detect a sea-skimming missile over the horizon at a greater range.

It can use 052D or 055 radar through CEC capability to make up for the weakness of HQ16.

That's the only way it can counter a missile like Brahmos, as the terminal speed of Brahmos is above the first blind speed of both the Fregat & SR2410C (above Mach3).

 

[nang2]

Congradulations to India! And folks, the OP is about India. India's achievement may not be glamorous but that is their achievement. Don't make everything they do to be about Pakistan and China, which makes me wonder who is obsessed about whom?

 

[MH.Yang]

Congradulations to India! And folks, the OP is about India. India's achievement may not be glamorous but that is their achievement. Don't make everything they do to be about Pakistan and China, which makes me wonder who is obsessed about whom?

Because an Canadian first said that the Kolkata class was on par with the type 052D, he brought the Chinese warships into the post.
But you're right. I apologize.

 

[MH.Yang]

That's the only way it can counter a missile like Brahmos, as the terminal speed of Brahmos is above the first blind speed of both the Fregat & SR2410C (above Mach3).

Upgraded 054A (054AP) has been changed with CM302 (YJ12A), which is an anti-ship missile of the same level as Brahmos, even YJ12 has higher mobility at the end, so the attack capability of the two warships is the same. HHQ16 (4 Mach) of 054A has higher speed than Barak8 (2 Mach), and Barak8 has better interception distance(Max range 150 km). But MF-STAR has only 25 km detection distance for sea skimming missiles, so Barak8 is almost useless. Of course, HHQ16(HQ16A max range 40 km, HQ16B max range 70 km) is not very useful. Finally, both ships need to rely on the proximity defense system. The Kolkata class uses the old Russian AK630 proximity gun(3000 rounds per minute), while the 054A uses the world's best H/PJ-11 proximity gun(11000 rounds per minute). Obviously, 054A is more likely to survive.

You haven't told me how having multiple bands will help you detect a sea-skimming missile over the horizon at a greater range.

L-band is suitable for long-range air-to-air warning (it also has a certain detection effect on anti-ship ballistic missiles) and certain anti stealth ability, C has more accurate positioning for medium and short range targets, and X-band is most suitable for fire control radar. Mf-STAR is an S-band radar, which is suitable for air search. It is a compromise between long-range detection and three-dimensional radar. The 346B dragon eye radar configured in Type 055 has four bands, which can better detect sea skimming anti-ship missiles when using C band.

 

[SMX 3.0]

Oh dude, these are two basic physics problems and you are not answering anything related to it.

Upgraded 054A (054AP) has been changed with CM302 (YJ12A), which is an anti-ship missile of the same level as Brahmos, even YJ12 has higher mobility at the end, so the attack capability of the two warships is the same. HHQ16 (4 Mach) of 054A has higher speed than Barak8 (2 Mach), and Barak8 has better interception distance(Max range 150 km).

Above the first blind speed, the Fregat clone on Type 054A cannot determine the velocity of the target and hence no firing solution for the SAM can be calculated.

No firing solution= no SAM fired.

The 346B dragon eye radar configured in Type 055 has four bands, which can better detect sea skimming anti-ship missiles when using C band.

But MF-STAR has only 25 km detection distance for sea skimming missiles, so Barak8 is almost useless

Do you understand this picture?? Please do tell me how having 4 bands will help your radars to detect a sea skimming target than a radar placed in a higher position above sea level.

 

[MH.Yang]

Oh dude, these are two basic physics problems and you are not answering anything related to it.



Above the first blind speed, the Fregat clone on Type 054A cannot determine the velocity of the target and hence no firing solution for the SAM can be calculated.

No firing solution= no SAM fired.




Do you understand this picture?? Please do tell me how having 4 bands will help your radars to detect a sea skimming target than a radar placed in a higher position above sea level.

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You can google the information of Japanese akizuki class destroyers. The FCS-3A radar used by akizuki is a C-band radar. Akizuki lacks attack capability. Its main purpose is to use C-band radar to help U.S. warships defend against sea skimming missiles. You can google the relevant information.

Akizuki lacks attack capability, but at 152#reply, I ranked akizuki before 052c because akizuki has dual band radar, and its C-band radar is a powerful auxiliary to the U.S. fleet.

 

[SMX 3.0]

You can google the information of Japanese akizuki class destroyers. The FCS-3A radar used by akizuki is a C-band radar. Akizuki lacks attack capability. Its main purpose is to use C-band radar to help U.S. warships defend against sea skimming missiles. You can google the relevant information.

Akizuki lacks attack capability, but at 152#reply, I ranked akizuki before 052c because akizuki has dual band radar, and its C-band radar is a powerful auxiliary to the U.S. fleet.

Dude you keep on deflecting as you have no clue. Please google simple things like first blind speed and radar horizon.

Then we will talk.

 

[MH.Yang]

Dude you keep on deflecting as you have no clue. Please google simple things like first blind speed and radar horizon.

Then we will talk.

Well, let me explain to you like this, I hope my English ability is enough. It is difficult to find low altitude targets, the curvature of the earth is indeed a reason, but it is not the most important reason, the most important reason is ground clutter. Most of the time, it is not that the radar cannot find the low altitude target, but because it is too close to the ground, the reflected clutter will hide the signal of the low altitude target. Any air defense radar has a "the lowest scanning height", of which C-band radar has the best "the lowest scanning height" and has the best effect on the accurate positioning of low altitude targets.