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India ran to uncle sam to force Pakistan to retreat!

here is the sad continuing pathos of those poor 16 or 17 Pakistani airmen who fell from the skies.....
you couldn't even find their names to post here.....
What a waste of their lives .

Pl share their names, all of them. If you can, if you care even a little.



spoken like a true terrorist ! Good show, equating a military plane on a military mission , with a civilian airliner filled with women and children !!!

and you wonder why the world treats you like this :pakistan:
I really wonder what Pakistanis thought would happen when they flew a military surveillance plane within 10 km of a disputed border(rann of kutch) in an sensitive area for India.
 
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I really wonder what Pakistanis thought would happen when they flew a military surveillance plane within 10 km of a disputed border(rann of kutch) in an sensitive area for India.

See these guys desperately search up Google....the names of their own dead are never their conern.
Not the bodies of their own dead either, as perfectly displayed in the kargil clash !
 
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here is the sad continuing pathos of those poor 16 or 17 Pakistani airmen who fell from the skies.....
you couldn't even find their names to post here.....
What a waste of their lives .

Pl share their names, all of them. If you can, if you care even a little.

Looks like you didn't like half a dozen chickens that i presented to you

Don't worry both iaf with its incompetency and paf with its professionalism would ensure that you keep getting pajeet fried chicken whenever you would need it :)

spoken like a true terrorist ! Good show, equating a military plane on a military mission , with a civilian airliner filled with women and children !!!

and you wonder why the world treats you like this :pakistan:

If you care so much about fellow pajeets and pajeetnis then you shouldn't give military call sign to civilian aircraft and then send them in our airspace

But being a true pajeet your lecturof humanity is reserved for others only

I really wonder what Pakistanis thought would happen when they flew a military surveillance plane within 10 km of a disputed border(rann of kutch) in an sensitive area for India.

Don't know man

Ask former Gujarat Chief minister balwant rai Mehta what would happen in such a situation
 
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Don't know man

Pathetic to see that after 30 minutes of desperately Google searching, you couldn't even find the names of the Atlantique dead !

Your own dead soldiers !

Speaks volumes about your priorities

your verbal diarrhea cannot hide your shame. If you think that the Atlantique lives are not worth even a mention, what are you doing on this forum?
 
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https://www.brookings.edu/blog/orde...1999-kargil-conflict-redefined-us-india-ties/



The Kargil war between May and July 1999, part of the broader conflict between India and Pakistan over the region of Kashmir, was a seminal turning point in American foreign policy with India
. President Bill Clinton’s diplomatic intervention in the war, and his high-stakes summit with Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, set the stage for Clinton’s visit a year later to India—the first by an American president in over 20 years—and for the warm engagement between Washington and New Delhi, which has persisted till today.

Before the Kargil incursion, the United States was preoccupied with non-proliferation concerns in South Asia, especially after the Indian nuclear tests. Strobe Talbott’s dialogue with Jaswant Singh was an important channel of communications, but it was devoted almost entirely to curbs on nuclear weapons. The focus was on securing India’s adherence to the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty.

When the U.S. determined that Pakistan had deliberately violated the Line of Control near Kargil, Clinton did not hesitate to blame Pakistan for risking a broader war. For the first time, an American administration was siding publicly with India against Pakistani aggression. The Pakistani generals who had planned the Kargil incursion, led by Pervez Musharraf, had badly misread the likely American reaction.

Sharif insisted on a summit in Washington with Clinton on July 4, 1999. Clinton was adamant that Pakistani troops had to withdraw to their old positions behind the Line of Control. If not, Washington would blame Pakistan for the war. He warned Sharif that he would also speak out about Pakistan’s coddling of al-Qaida and Osama bin Laden. The American intelligence community had told the president that Pakistan was flirting with nuclear war. It was perhaps the most important and intense meeting of his presidency. The normally soft negotiator who usually sought compromise was tough and firm. I had never seen him more concentrated.

The outcome of the Kargil war altered the substance of the Talbott mission. The focus moved to conflict prevention. The Musharraf coup that ousted Sharif reinforced the new direction of the Indo-American dialogue. The stage was set for Clinton’s multi-day trip to India in early 2000 and his few hours in Islamabad. The contrast was striking.

Clinton’s trip to India not only broke the decades-old famine of presidential travel to India; his two successors followed in his steps and visited India. The security dialogue between Washington and New Delhi has deepened and strengthened enormously. The current administration has also committed to a strong relationship with India, but is so dysfunctional that it has been largely absent from the subcontinent.

Clinton came into office in 1993 determined to rebuild U.S. relations with India, which had been in disrepair since the mid-1960s. Like his predecessor and idol, John F. Kennedy, Clinton believed India was bound to be a major power in the future—and a democratic one as well. He was determined to visit India, but a succession of short-lived governments in New Delhi and the distraction of other events kept the trip from happening.

The nuclear tests in May 1998, first by India and then by Pakistan, seemed to be the final blow to the president’s plans. The Kargil conflict changed the equation. The president and his team were determined to exploit the opportunity. Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee was equally determined to be engaging and a warm host.

The turning point was the Kargil war 20 years ago. The trajectory of America’s engagement with India was set. Hopefully it will remain on course.
whenever there is a full waged war .
pakistan is always going to be defeated .
till then you may enjoy winning skirmishes on small scale .
 
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Looks like you didn't like half a dozen chickens that i presented to you

Don't worry both iaf with its incompetency and paf with its professionalism would ensure that you keep getting pajeet fried chicken whenever you would need it :)



If you care so much about fellow pajeets and pajeetnis then you shouldn't give military call sign to civilian aircraft and then send them in our airspace

But being a true pajeet your lecturof humanity is reserved for others only



Don't know man

Ask former Gujarat Chief minister balwant rai Mehta what would happen in such a situation
That was a civilian plane, not a military aircraft, so false equivalence.
Also, the fact you shot down a civilian beechcraft VIP flight makes it hard for you to act a victim over the Atlantique

whenever there is a full waged war .
pakistan is always going to be defeated .
till then you may enjoy winning skirmishes on small scale .
If Pakistan was actually winning, than why would they have retreated? The fact is, Pakistan was forced to vacate all land it had occupied, and didn't gain anything except 700 dead soldiers, diplomatic isolation that lasts today, and even ended up losing advantageous positions in certain peaks.

Doesn't sound like a victory to me.
 
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That was a civilian plane, not a military aircraft, so false equivalence.
Also, the fact you shot down a civilian beechcraft VIP flight makes it hard for you to act a victim over the Atlantique


If Pakistan was actually winning, than why would they have retreated? The fact is, Pakistan was forced to vacate all land it had occupied, and didn't gain anything except 700 dead soldiers, diplomatic isolation that lasts today, and even ended up losing advantageous positions in certain peaks.

Doesn't sound like a victory to me.
doesn't sound like victory to me too,
but i was trying to tell from pakistanis dreamland perspective.
by small skirmishes i meant 27 th feb like incidents , shelling of posts ,terrorist attacks in valley. (i.e non conventional war).
and yeah that too they are not winning ,
they claim their winning LOL:pleasantry:
 
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That was a civilian plane, not a military aircraft, so false equivalence.
Also, the fact you shot down a civilian beechcraft VIP flight makes it hard for you to act a victim over the Atlantique

Doesn't matter. I am happy that we shot it down without showing any mercy

You guys deserve every bit of that

doesn't sound like victory to me too,
but i was trying to tell from pakistanis dreamland perspective.
by small skirmishes i meant 27 th feb like incidents , shelling of posts ,terrorist attacks in valley. (i.e non conventional war).
and yeah that too they are not winning ,
they claim their winning LOL:pleasantry:

Obviously Pakistanis aren't winning

Like it is Pakistan that lost an aircraft in hostile in broad day light, got its pilot thrashed on cameras and then shot down its own helicopter in panic after all :lol:

That was a civilian plane, not a military aircraft, so false equivalence.
Also, the fact you shot down a civilian beechcraft VIP flight makes it hard for you to act a victim over the Atlantique


If Pakistan was actually winning, than why would they have retreated? The fact is, Pakistan was forced to vacate all land it had occupied, and didn't gain anything except 700 dead soldiers, diplomatic isolation that lasts today, and even ended up losing advantageous positions in certain peaks.

Doesn't sound like a victory to me.

Except the fact Pakistan that it still occupies several posts that it didn't occupy before kargil war and your military kept on trying to take them back even after ceasefire and declaration of "victory". Definitely doesn't sound like a victory :)
 
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Obviously Pakistanis aren't winning

Like it is Pakistan that lost an aircraft in hostile in broad day light, got its pilot thrashed on cameras and then shot down its own helicopter in panic after all :lol:
yeah obviously pakistan aren't winning any war with INDIA .:fie:
, they can just feel joy for sometime,
for doing some small scale skirmishes and have a happy goodnight sleep for some while ,:lazy2:
till the war is waged by INDIA . and you lose all you had wished.:yes4::victory1:
 
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yeah obviously pakistan aren't winning any war with INDIA .:fie:
, they can just feel joy for sometime,
for doing some small scale skirmishes and have a happy goodnight sleep for some while ,:lazy2:
till the war is waged by INDIA . and you lose all you had wished.:yes4::victory1:

War would be waged by India and would be ended by Pakistan

That would be the theme in case if you don't know already
 
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War would be waged by India and would be ended by Pakistan

That would be the theme in case if you don't know already
keep those slangs to you,
and be logical??
you can never defeat or cope up with INDIA with such obsolete weaponry in your inventory ,

LOL{War would be waged by India and would be ended by Pakistan}LOL:haha:
dream on man dream on .
thats the best option for you to feel satisfied.:cuckoo::laughcry::haha:
 
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Didn't exactly happen in 1971 or 1999.

Happened just last year with your fail balakot adventure

keep those slangs to you,
and be logical??
you can never defeat or cope up with INDIA with such obsolete weaponry in your inventory ,

LOL{War would be waged by India and would be ended by Pakistan}LOL:haha:
dream on man dream on .
thats the best option for you to feel satisfied.:cuckoo::laughcry::haha:

There are no slangs in my post

Just telling how it would end in case India wages war on Pakistan
 
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