India not a threat to Pakistan - Analysis

[IceCold]

If you are saying that he is a slippery customer, I agree with you.

He has been able to manipulate even the US for such a long time. He promises things when pressured with no intention to keep the promises after things cool down.

Even you will remember the start of a new crackdown after any big terror event happened that implicated pakistan in some way, be that Indian parliament attack (and Op. Parakram), the 7/7 UK attacks and I don't remember how many more.

After every such event, some noise was made about Madaressa reform, some peopel were arrested and things got back to normal before you know it, as soon as things cooled down.

Vinod you are taking things very differently. You see when we talk about India vs Pakistan, all of this terror related things are not considered on equal footings as those of the world, Why because we are traditional rivals. Now how can you relate these things with connections in the world? that is simply not understandable. As for the UK terror connection, i've debated on it on numerous occasions with other indians who call it a pakistani terror attack. You see a guy who wasnt even born in pakistan, his ancestors were of pakistani orgin but had left pakistan long ago, the guy was born in UK, studied there, spent whole life there suddenly decides to blow something up, you cannot blame pakistan for that because he isnt pakistani anymore. He's a british citizen. Moreover when someone from abroad comes to pakistan, the GOP doesnt really check everybody whos coming to pakistan, your review suggests that actually the GOP was somehow involved with that. AND lets not forget that it was due to pakistan that bombings in UK were stopped in time.
Now coming back to the original topic, you see thats not the case when india comes into the equation one for the very reason that no matter what happens in india, pakistan will and always have been blamed in the past at the very first hand without giving due creditability and proof. This makes things even shady and complicated for pakistan who might be of some assistance if done through proper channel. Now back in 2002, my comment was that it wasnt india that dragged musharraf out like you proposed, why because actually in reality the 2002 standoff, we made you change your whole strategy, " india's new cold start doctrine". What Musharraf did was to actually show it to the whole world that pakistan isnt a terrorist sponspering state which india always blamed and yet we are ready to go to war with india if india decides to carry on with the misadventure. I remember he also said something about using the nuclear weapons if we have too.
So you cant relate the two very different things on the same page, pakistans contribution on WOT and pakistan VS india.
Hope my point is clear.

 

[Vinod2070]

ICECOLD, I never said that Pakistan was involved in the 7/7 attacks as a country or at an official level, but the heat was on Pakistan because the guy made trips here for training. The infrastructure that was created for India was also used for terror in other places without the consent of the GOP.

I know that he talked about the nuclear weapons and the PAF being ready for a do or die mission. There was some talk in the address for domestic consumption only. I am not saying that Pakistan surrendered or something but that the TV address was a result of Op. Parakram. And you are right about the cold start doctrine being a result of lessons learned during the operation.

 

[Astra]

One could equally well argue that the "Indian media has hidden the truth from you", amd that leads nowhere.

ARahman was responding to a legitimately false statement- that India has been nothing but a benevolent peace loving nation - Pakistan hasn't either.

Lets move off of nonsensical hyperbole.

Do you mean to say that Kargil was not an intrustion by Pakistan-
It is surprising that you still belive so.

The pakistani media would have reported otherwise, but all people outside the range of pakistani media- all over the world- know that it was an intrustion by pakistan.

Request you to refrain from using undiplomatic comments on others openion.

 

[SSG VIPER]

No wonder, the pakistani media has hidden the truth from you. We are not a threat, but when someone intrudes, we give them back. This is the defensive right of any country.

Kashmir is an integral part of india and will remain so, the sooner pakistani govt realises this facts and stops their military misadventures, its safe for them.

Because the Pakistani govt cannot fight us directly, they keep the pot boiling using proxy war and terrorism, I am sure you know this. ISI and CIA employed the same strategy, successfully against the Soviets. However, the US has misused you guys. They have fought soviets with Afgan blood, away from their country. This is a area where pakistan commited a blunder, by harbouring terrorists in their own country.

Till the jihadis were fighting Indian Army, Pakistan was happy, US was not worried and it was all good. But when the jihadis stuck US, the big daddy awoke to the threat to himself. Now pakistani is under pressure to fight the jihadis, President Mushraf and Pakistani Army has reallized this and are now fighting bravely to rout out terrorism from Pakistan. It will take time and blood will be shed- but now Pakistan is going in the right direction and I am sure that there will be peace in Pakistan in future.

This is now only good for you, but also good for us and Asia and the world Peace.

Shut up kashmir is not a part of in india GET A LIFE loser
and stop ur crap everybdy know abt india and her mentality ISNT THT WHY NEPAL BURMA BENGLADESH PAKISTAN BHUTAN SIKIM OR CHINA-NoNe LiKe india

 

[SSG VIPER]

Do you mean to say that Kargil was not an intrustion by Pakistan-
It is surprising that you still belive so.

The pakistani media would have reported otherwise, but all people outside the range of pakistani media- all over the world- know that it was an intrustion by pakistan.

Request you to refrain from using undiplomatic comments on others openion.

Wat abt 1965 indians cowardly act or 1965 or occupation of kashmir ...Indian cowards stop ur non sense and stop supporting taliban we have proof but our govt is ... thts malik <barber> thing and ur terroristism spreding embassies in afghanistan

 

[ebungo]

Shut up kashmir is not a part of in india GET A LIFE loser:

So sorry to disappointed you Kashmir was and now and will be in India .
If we give few areas of Kashmir in any deal ,It will lose of face and reputation of India when she is strong with military and economic
So Kashmir stay with India

 

[ek_indian]

Shut up kashmir is not a part of in india GET A LIFE loser

Nice try but time to wake up....it is ALREADY a part of India.

and stop ur crap everybdy know abt india and her mentality ISNT THT WHY NEPAL BURMA BENGLADESH PAKISTAN BHUTAN SIKIM OR CHINA-NoNe LiKe india

Pure rant. I fail to know if it is jealousy or frustration.
However there is one news for you though it does not fit into your dreamland.
Sikkim is a part of India. Good bye.

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Shut up kashmir is not a part of in india GET A LIFE loser
and stop ur crap everybdy know abt india and her mentality ISNT THT WHY NEPAL BURMA BENGLADESH PAKISTAN BHUTAN SIKIM OR CHINA-NoNe LiKe india

This thread was a really informative and civil discussion based on facts submitted by both Pakistani and Indian posters. Then along came your rant and troll without any contributive value and destroyed a really beautiful discussion. Bravo. Now take that club out of your rear and sit quitely and don't disturb an intelligent discussion with your pre-historic behaviour

 

[SSG VIPER]

So sorry to disappointed you Kashmir was and now and will be in India .
If we give few areas of Kashmir in any deal ,It will lose of face and reputation of India when she is strong with military and economic
So Kashmir stay with India

LOL keep dreaming its not ur boy..
Its of the KASHMIRIS wheather they decide to join PAKISTAN or form a seperate COUNTRY so even with ur vast military presence kashmiris and there FREEDOM MOVEMENT IS STILL ALIVE
and if in future they need our help WE ARE STILL ALIVE AND INSHALLAH ALWAYS WILL BE TO GIVE U A GOOD RESPONSE LIKE IN BOTH KASHMIR WAR 1 AND KASHMIR WAR 2

 

[New Vision]

yes of course the 3 wars were fought with phantoms & zombies were killed in Kashmir.

So who asked you to start the wars, dont begin something you cannot finish. Your militant mindset is not getting your coutry anywhere, I am amazed at the way you guys dont see the light, war and animosity is not getting you anywhere you tried and tried and tried even as late as 1999, and where did you get , the same old place. So give it up and see another way, ulitmaltely the stalemate continues and the poor people suffer more so in Pakistan than in India

 

[New Vision]

LOL keep dreaming its not ur boy..
Its of the KASHMIRIS wheather they decide to join PAKISTAN or form a seperate COUNTRY so even with ur vast military presence kashmiris and there FREEDOM MOVEMENT IS STILL ALIVE
and if in future they need our help WE ARE STILL ALIVE AND INSHALLAH ALWAYS WILL BE TO GIVE U A GOOD RESPONSE LIKE IN BOTH KASHMIR WAR 1 AND KASHMIR WAR 2

Let me give you and the *** Kashmiris a cue, if Pakistan wants the better of the Kashmiris, declare Kashmir that you occupy a sovereign nations. Its a challenge.........lol.......its not gonna happen is it man???!!!, its simply becuase of your vested interest, declare Kashmir independent and India would be forced to let go of the remaining of Kashmir. I suppose we must be thankful to you guys...keep it up

 

[ebungo]

LOL keep dreaming its not ur boy..
Its of the KASHMIRIS wheather they decide to join PAKISTAN or form a seperate COUNTRY so even with ur vast military presence kashmiris and there FREEDOM MOVEMENT IS STILL ALIVE
and if in future they need our help WE ARE STILL ALIVE AND INSHALLAH ALWAYS WILL BE TO GIVE U A GOOD RESPONSE LIKE IN BOTH KASHMIR WAR 1 AND KASHMIR WAR 2

It's not only kashmiris or the Baluchistan or the Uighur .they stay in India ,Pakistan and china respectively because they strong enough to bind them .if not then they will form new country just like the Bangladesh from Pakistan . so of now India is very strong and is going stronger and stronger .so kashmir is going to stay in india for a long long times