India nears catapult decision for second indigenous carrier

[veekysingh]

do you think we have any chance of getting these for IAC2?

 

[SpArK]

do you think we have any chance of getting these for IAC2?

We dont have this technology and i havent heard anything about researching it either.

Maybe sancho or abiding can help with more info.. they are the defense guys.

 

[veekysingh]

lol no problem, and yeah, their logic is way off.....

On Topic.

How many FGFA are Indian are going to get, does they have naval version.

And if Catapulted, Indian Perfer Rafale or F-35 or naval FAGA? I don't suppose MiG-29K is on the list. OR am i wrong?

we are getting 144 FGFA only. i dont see any hope of naval FGFA cause we havent heard any news of it anywhere , but IN may can go with F-35 or rafale-m or if we able to make make naval AMCA.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

lol no problem, and yeah, their logic is way off.....

On Topic.

How many FGFA are Indian are going to get, does they have naval version.

And if Catapulted, Indian Perfer Rafale or F-35 or naval FAGA? I don't suppose MiG-29K is on the list. OR am i wrong?

At this stage, it is too early to say.

Nothing has been clearly spelt out about FGFA.
About the F-35, the IN is clearly waiting to see how the F-35 finally comes ou, plus the cost is an issue.
Rafale already exists in a tried and tested Carrier version,plus the IAF will have substantial number of Rafales in service made under license in India.
About the Mig-29K it needs modification to the undercarriage to undertake any cat operations, but that is doable.

Finally there is'nt any clarity yet on whether the Carrier will have actually have the cat design frozen, so that is the important basis of the final choice of aircraft.

My sense now; is that an EMALS design is a possibility and I will not be surprised if the Naval Rafale comes into serious contention. But early days yet.

 

[bloo]

with all the indian style 'planning' surely you will have space battleship in no time````and the joke continues

LOL China has the HMAS Melbourne since 1985, Kiev since 1996 and Minsk since 2006, and how many of them has China been able to reverse engineer or make a carrier indigenously?
And now these are called floating amusement parks.

Even the Liaoning which will be used only for "scientific research, experiment and training" is practically the most defunct among the carrier purchases by China.
It was not allowed to be completed as the Soviet government branded it "unreasonable". You bought it after you had to lie to the Ukranians that it'll be used as a casino and they gave the carrier completely naked with no engines or armaments.


SO HERE'S THE CATCH, CHINA IS SO BAD IN CARRIER MAKING THAT EVEN AFTER HAVING CARRIERS FOR 27 YEARS THEY WERE NOT ABLE TO BUILD EVEN ONE.

IAC 2 is envisaged as a far larger warship - with a displacement of approximately 60,000t - and could enter the fleet within 10 Plus 15 years

Your officer say that 10 to 15 years means 10 plus 15 years.
Its not a joke,why it is happend in a so big Country

Unfortunately for you, you can cry all you want but the fact remains that, we'll be having 3 carriers in service by 2017 whereas the only 1 you'll have will be the universal reject Liaoning.

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build ship has never been your forte'.

LOOK AT PLAN FIRST

 

[sancho]

I don't suppose MiG-29K is on the list. OR am i wrong?

Actually it is, but most likely as an option if we don't get catapults at all and have to go for a bigger STOBAR design. IN send out an RFI to Boeing, LM, Dassault, the EF consortium and Mikoyan, while Saab joined later too. From these options, only the F18SH, F35C, Rafale M and the Sea Gripen could be used with catapults and I don't even expect the Pak Fa beeing able to be used like that, unless we include credible structural changes to our FGFA version. The Russians had offered us to take over the navalising of Pak Fa / FGFA, but obviously with ski-jump take offs in mind. Unless they finish their older plans for CATOBAR carriers, the US and mainly western fighters will remain the only options for IN and a CATOBAR carrier, which is why I believe that catapults or EMALS will be offered in a combined deal only (EMALS + F35C for example).

We dont have this technology and i havent heard anything about researching it either.

Maybe sancho or abiding can help with more info.. they are the defense guys.

LOL, if we are the defence guys, what are you then? 18000+ posts, more than 20000 thanks have their reasons.


@ veekysingh

The chance for F35 or EMALS is there, but the problem is that US hasitates to provide us with such high techs, without many restrictions (not to mention the costs). We will have to wait and see how the negotiations turns out.

 

[veekysingh]

@ veekysingh

The chance for F35 or EMALS is there, but the problem is that US hasitates to provide us with such high techs, without many restrictions (not to mention the costs). We will have to wait and see how the negotiations turns out.

do u think cost will be issue in long run (if things goes better dont u think india will be able to spend (5-8 billion on f-35 )? how much a f-35 will cost? i guess main issue will be TOT. and the will of americans to sell us a high end tech.

 

[arp2041]

Actually it is, but most likely as an option if we don't get catapults at all and have to go for a bigger STOBAR design. IN send out an RFI to Boeing, LM, Dassault, the EF consortium and Mikoyan, while Saab joined later too. From these options, only the F18SH, F35C, Rafale M and the Sea Gripen could be used with catapults and I don't even expect the Pak Fa beeing able to be used like that, unless we include credible structural changes to our FGFA version. The Russians had offered us to take over the navalising of Pak Fa / FGFA, but obviously with ski-jump take offs in mind. Unless they finish their older plans for CATOBAR carriers, the US and mainly western fighters will remain the only options for IN and a CATOBAR carrier, which is why I believe that catapults or EMALS will be offered in a combined deal only (EMALS + F35C for example).

but sancho, Russians are themselves making a bigger nuclear AC, obviously they will also need a more capable jet, N-PAKFA will be the best choice for them also, right??

 

[Abingdonboy]

do you think we have any chance of getting these for IAC2?

There is a possibility, IIRC the IN had shown interest in such a system sometime ago as validated by this article. As any such deal for EMALS would come through the FMS route ie the USG there is a high likilihood that the US would want to sell the EMALS as part of a package deal to the IN to equip the IAC-2 ACC and future ACCs with US companies providing the Air Group (F-35, S-70B, E-2D etc) and certain techs like navigation aids and integrated bridge systems (which are already in service with the IN and will probably be on the IAC-2 regardless). But then EMALS would also be sold as a stand-alone product as was offered to the Royal Navy for the QE Class ACCs. It is for the IN to weigh up their options-let's wait ~6 months and see what decision they come to, the descion may also give a clearer indication what the IAC 2's air group will look like.

 

[idune]

IAC 2 is envisaged as a far larger warship - with a displacement of approximately 60,000t - and could enter the fleet within 10 to 15 years.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian...-second-indigenous-carrier.html#ixzz2EJ5qO6ya

10 15 years really?
And by then carrier killer weapons will be much more real and potent. So what value that carrier will give?

 

[Abingdonboy]

10 15 years really?
And by then carrier killer weapons will be much more real and potent. So what value that carrier will give?

And the counters to such weapons will have advanced too! P-17A,P-15A/B IAC-1,2- will all be equipped with the latest radars and defenisve missles like the BARAK-1 and the BARAK-2 not to meantion the IAC-2 will have a fixed-wing based AWAC system that can detect such missiles. The fact the US is still heavily investing in ACCs just goes to show ACCs still have a role to play in tomorrow's world. A floating island able to launch some of the most advanced fighter a/c on earth able to fly anywhere in the world and park off the coast of most nations- that's invaluable!

 

[idune]

And the counters to such weapons will have advanced too! P-17A,P-15A/B IAC-1,2- will all be equipped with the latest radars and defenisve missles like the BARAK-1 and the BARAK-2 not to meantion the IAC-2 will have a fixed-wing based AWAC system that can detect such missiles. The fact the US is still heavily investing in ACCs just goes to show ACCs still have a role to play in tomorrow's world. A floating island able to launch some of the most advanced fighter a/c on earth able to fly anywhere in the world and park off the coast of most nations- that's invaluable!

None of these systems you mentioned can do much against carrier killer, besides saturated attack can overwhelm any system. As for US it has resource and agenda to rule 7 seas and thus AC fits its requirement. But what is indian agenda beyond part of indian ocean?

 

[Abhishek_]

None of these systems you mentioned can do much against carrier killer, besides saturated attack can overwhelm any system. As for US it has resource and agenda to rule 7 seas and thus AC fits its requirement. But what is indian agenda beyond part of indian ocean?

protection of overseas indian assets, citizens etc.

 

[Abingdonboy]

None of these systems you mentioned can do much against carrier killer, besides saturated attack can overwhelm any system. As for US it has resource and agenda to rule 7 seas and thus AC fits its requirement. But what is indian agenda beyond part of indian ocean?

BS- ALL of these systems are an adequate counter-measure to "carrier-killers". India will be the the largest or second largest economy by 2055-60 and is dramatically growing its Navy-India's agenda goes beyond the IOR to wherever India's interests may lay. By 2025-30 atleast the IN will be in the top 3 naval powers on the planet- I think that means India can go where it likes in the " seven seas"!!

 

[rcrmj]

Unfortunately for you, you can cry all you want but the fact remains that, we'll be having 3 carriers in service by 2017 whereas the only 1 you'll have will be the universal reject Liaoning.




LOOK AT PLAN FIRST

you just make the joke bigger and funnier```lets wait until 2017 to see how well primitive indians can finish 3 AC

BS- ALL of these systems are an adequate counter-measure to "carrier-killers". India will be the the largest or second largest economy by 2055-60 and is dramatically growing its Navy-India's agenda goes beyond the IOR to wherever India's interests may lay. By 2025-30 atleast the IN will be in the top 3 naval powers on the planet- I think that means India can go where it likes in the " seven seas"!!

why not by 2045 or 2057, or 2062 and more random years? denial and delusion how far you funny people can go??