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India mulling withdrawal of Army from KASHMIR !

And then watch the insurgency blow up again, cycle repeats

Seriously don't understand how Indians ever think they'll be able to pacify J&K, it's like when Pakistan says the same for FATA

It's a joke

Bro things are very different today compared to 4 years ago. Sure militancy can come back but what are the chances of that happening? 10% at best. Take the following into consideration

- Security situation has improved dramatically due to the Indian armies core focus on counter insurgency and tackling militancy
- Economic opportunities are huge at the moment in Kashmir. Indian govt had the forsight to invest tens of billions USD in kashmir. Sure kashmiris might still feel oppressed but job opportunities work wonders. Everything else becomes secondary once a person has a decent job than before
- Many subsidies and job opportunities to kashmiris have been provided in the central govt beaurocracy. Again this narrative (pro economic) is very strong
- Social services in Kashmir are top notch. Billions have been spent in building schools, roads, hospitals. There are dozens of top notch hospital in IOK compared to only 2-3 in Azad Kashmir/Gilgit
- Money talks in this world over anything else including ideology. Think about it if you have a Girlfriend and are bankrupt, if tomorrow a much richer millionaire guy comes and sweeps your GF off her feet what do you think your girl friend would do?? in the modern world she would leave you in less than a minute.... now think about it pak has foreign reserves 2 billion vs india's 600+ bn. Who would kashmiris choose at this point? if not now then in a few years?

Then there are macro factors as well such as the following

- Pakistani army has completely given up on support to militancy groups. This started mainly with Musharaf but no army chief after turned up the heat
- Foreign funding to militancy has been tackled hard
- Border security has been increased significantly even as militancy and terror went down. Indian army didnt take the risk as the pak army did to invest less. They continued to invest even though there was a sharp decline in cross border violence


Again it is sad to state these facts for many of you but it is true. The pakistani army fought harder, lost more lives, and lost more economically yet gave up all those gains in 2-3 years whereby the indians were farsighted and its army leadership never took the risk clearly understanding that budging on its security can lead them back to where they were before. Unfortunately our army leadership never did the same to which we see the results today.

You can say with confidence yes pak army has a lot more experience in fighting battles/wars, but that all went down the drain. Many of those soilders who faught throught 2012-2015 have now retired or are well past their prime. Its honestly a very pathetic state of affairs and the rot started on the top. Both Bajwa & IK were a complete disaster for Pakistans security. IK came to office at a time when militancy was at a all time low.

Every single statistic you can look at will tell you from 2019- today terror attack rose dramatically. IK could have built upon the security system, instead he went around the world calling OBL a martyr, calling taliban freedom fighters, supporting taliban at UN or every international forum he could find. What did IK do for kashmir other than all talk??? did he provide funds to kashmiri freedom fighters? did he send weapons to kashmiri freedom fighters? did he work with ISI to turn up the screws in kashmir??? mind you this was a time when India was in a death trap with COVID 19 and it was the perfect time to act. I said many times on this forum Pak should have taken advantage of those few months. It would have been a cake walk yet what did IK do? NOTHING ZILCH NADA. All talk 0 action.

If IK was a true pakistani nationalist he would never support our sworn enemies (taliban/ttp), infact I dont think IK has any true ideology he follows. Compare this to Modi who would never do the same for Pakistan (indias enemy). Modi is a great leader for India. I wish I could only say the same for IK when it comes to Pak.

Again you might hate me for stating these facts but sometimes its best to give the real picture so we think realistically than fantasize
 
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These lazy troops will make good cannon fodder for the Chinese pressure.
 
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Bro things are very different today compared to 4 years ago. Sure militancy can come back but what are the chances of that happening? 10% at best. Take the following into consideration

- Security situation has improved dramatically due to the Indian armies core focus on counter insurgency and tackling militancy
- Economic opportunities are huge at the moment in Kashmir. Indian govt had the forsight to invest tens of billions USD in kashmir. Sure kashmiris might still feel oppressed but job opportunities work wonders. Everything else becomes secondary once a person has a decent job than before
- Many subsidies and job opportunities to kashmiris have been provided in the central govt beaurocracy. Again this narrative (pro economic) is very strong
- Social services in Kashmir are top notch. Billions have been spent in building schools, roads, hospitals. There are dozens of top notch hospital in IOK compared to only 2-3 in Azad Kashmir/Gilgit
- Money talks in this world over anything else including ideology. Think about it if you have a Girlfriend and are bankrupt, if tomorrow a much richer millionaire guy comes and sweeps your GF off her feet what do you think your girl friend would do?? in the modern world she would leave you in less than a minute.... now think about it pak has foreign reserves 2 billion vs india's 600+ bn. Who would kashmiris choose at this point? if not now then in a few years?

Then there are macro factors as well such as the following

- Pakistani army has completely given up on support to militancy groups. This started mainly with Musharaf but no army chief after turned up the heat
- Foreign funding to militancy has been tackled hard
- Border security has been increased significantly even as militancy and terror went down. Indian army didnt take the risk as the pak army did to invest less. They continued to invest even though there was a sharp decline in cross border violence


Again it is sad to state these facts for many of you but it is true. The pakistani army fought harder, lost more lives, and lost more economically yet gave up all those gains in 2-3 years whereby the indians were farsighted and its army leadership never took the risk clearly understanding that budging on its security can lead them back to where they were before. Unfortunately our army leadership never did the same to which we see the results today.

You can say with confidence yes pak army has a lot more experience in fighting battles/wars, but that all went down the drain. Many of those soilders who faught throught 2012-2015 have now retired or are well past their prime. Its honestly a very pathetic state of affairs and the rot started on the top. Both Bajwa & IK were a complete disaster for Pakistans security. IK came to office at a time when militancy was at a all time low.

Every single statistic you can look at will tell you from 2019- today terror attack rose dramatically. IK could have built upon the security system, instead he went around the world calling OBL a martyr, calling taliban freedom fighters, supporting taliban at UN or every international forum he could find. What did IK do for kashmir other than all talk??? did he provide funds to kashmiri freedom fighters? did he send weapons to kashmiri freedom fighters? did he work with ISI to turn up the screws in kashmir??? mind you this was a time when India was in a death trap with COVID 19 and it was the perfect time to act. I said many times on this forum Pak should have taken advantage of those few months. It would have been a cake walk yet what did IK do? NOTHING ZILCH NADA. All talk 0 action.

If IK was a true pakistani nationalist he would never support our sworn enemies (taliban/ttp), infact I dont think IK has any true ideology he follows. Compare this to Modi who would never do the same for Pakistan (indias enemy). Modi is a great leader for India. I wish I could only say the same for IK when it comes to Pak.

Again you might hate me for stating these facts but sometimes its best to give the real picture so we think realistically than fantasize

You are painting a too rosy picture for the Indians.

Politicians may be sold outs but Pakistani and Kashmiri awaam will never sell out imaan to these dirty pagans.
 
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You are painting a too rosy picture for the Indians.

Politicians may be sold outs but Pakistani and Kashmiri awaam will never sell out imaan to these dirty pagans.

Bro militancy is at an all time low. The numbers speak for themselves. If the kashmiris under indian occupation wanted to fight they could. When theres a will theres a way. Yet IOK is far safer vs Waziristan/KP/Balochistan. People are not stupid. No one wants to get onboard a sinking ship. There was a time in the 70s/80s/ 90s/even 2000s where pakistan was admired by kashmiris, bangladeshis, nepalis, srilankas and even indian muslims in the region. Now look at today. No one wants to associate

Time changes everything, but we must not be naive. We must use this as motivitation to work x1000 times harder to improve our economy and security. The problem is we always gave priority to military first, now look at the state of our economy today. Dont forget the soviet union was a much stronger united power than pak yet fell apart due to internal divisions. We are going down that path today unless we force some kind of major change.

We must forget kashmir. If kashmiris are fine under indian occupation who are we to destroy out future for them? Let us focus on what we have today before we lose that as well then look at the past with regret. Had you asked me years ago even I would have cared for kashmir, but look at our sorry state today….
 
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Bro militancy is at an all time low. The numbers speak for themselves. If the kashmiris under indian occupation wanted to fight they could. When theres a will theres a way. Yet IOK is far safer vs Waziristan/KP/Balochistan. People are not stupid. No one wants to get onboard a sinking ship. There was a time in the 70s/80s/ 90s/even 2000s where pakistan was admired by kashmiris, bangladeshis, nepalis, srilankas and even indian muslims in the region. Now look at today. No one wants to associate

Time changes everything, but we must not be naive. We must use this as motivitation to work x1000 times harder to improve our economy and security. The problem is we always gave priority to military first, now look at the state of our economy today. Dont forget the soviet union was a much stronger united power than pak yet fell apart due to internal divisions. We are going down that path today unless we force some kind of major change.

We must forget kashmir. If kashmiris are fine under indian occupation who are we to destroy out future for them? Let us focus on what we have today before we lose that as well then look at the past with regret. Had you asked me years ago even I would have cared for kashmir, but look at our sorry state today….

There will be ups and downs but we should never give up.

We can pause the cause as we gain strength in the next few years.

But please don't say words like forget Kashmir.

Kashmir is our jugular vein and we will never give up.

 
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Seems Modi has forgotten, if it's 56" Chest or Pichwari. Just last month, more troops were being sent to Indian Occupied Kashmir... Things don't change overnight.


I'm sorry that Kashmir has so roundly rejected Pakistan and it has affected you so badly.

There will be ups and downs but we should never give up.

We can pause the cause as we gain strength in the next few years.

But please don't say words like forget Kashmir.

Kashmir is our jugular vein and we will never give up.


You have already given up.
 
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@Areesh @Skull and Bones @Raj-Hindustani @hussain0216
Make sense, lumber #1 is buzy providing audio video services. I don’t see any uprising happening anytime soon.
 
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There will be ups and downs but we should never give up.

We can pause the cause as we gain strength in the next few years.

But please don't say words like forget Kashmir.

Kashmir is our jugular vein and we will never give up.

Shehnaz Akhtar ki bhen hai kya ? :lol:

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India is effectively closing all doors to normalization in the region and beyond by her colonial policies.

It is high time that Pakistan and China resolve the Kashmir territorial dispute bilaterally.
 
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Plan is to withdraw army and get the CRPF/Police on full time job of terrorist hunting.

India is effectively closing all doors to normalization in the region and beyond by her colonial policies.

It is high time that Pakistan and China resolve the Kashmir territorial dispute bilaterally.
Go ahead!! Whats stopping?
 
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There will be no insurgency, Pak Mil Estb has given categorical assurances to India via the U.S. on this. And a reciprocal shift in force posturing is happening within Pak too.

Pak will reach a publicly declared deal on Kashmir with India. And India will free up resources to shift men and supplies to borders against China.
 
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