India may sign interim deal for 18 Rafales, also deal for Aerial tanker
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What will you do in Rafale deal if you are the decision maker?
I would buy them and buy them quick. They are required. But I would not be paying extra for transfer of technology. No foreign government is going to give India the highly guarded materials technology that India sorely needs. In other fields especially in the hydraulics and software side, India is not too far behind, so I don't think that Dassault will have a problem transferring those specific technology.
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Rafale is better than J10B in TRW(unless WS15 in service) and spectra, China won't give something for free at this moment. In my perspective, Rafale deal is somehow get stucked right now.
How many Rafale you gonna induct to make it an adequacy?
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Rafale has two small engines. J-10B has one big engine. Size wise, they are in the same class. J-10B is long nosed with an AESA that should outperform Rafale's radar.
126 is fine as it is in my opinion.
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Since Most Indian members in PDF agree to buy directly from the shelf, you don't have to tease them cause the stupid decision was made by Indian goverment.
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Chinese jets are copy of years old Russian bheek jets. They will be operational and fully capable only when it's too late as stated by your earlier post.
I am not pushing your china here it's just counter comparative reasoning
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Chinese jets are copy of years old Russian bheek jets. They will be operational and fully capable only when it's too late as stated by your earlier post.
I am not pushing your china here it's just counter comparative reasoning
Tujko mirchi Lagi to main Kay karun.
I'm not from China. I'm just curious which Chinese plane you claimed was copied from Russia.
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When the first 18 Rafales begin arriving 36 months after contract signature, they will be home-based at Ambala AFS.
Also being negotiated concurrently by the CNC with Dassault Aviation, THALES Avionics and SNECMA Moteurs are the terms and conditions and the cost of the direct/indirect industrial offsets, representing 50% of the total contract value and to be implemented over a period of 13 years (the time taken to licence-build the 108 Rafales). The direct offsets have been sub-divided into three levels, with the first level dealing with major assemblies and systems integration, the second level dealing with sub-assemblies and components, and the third level—constituting the biggest chunk in terms of both financial value and work effort—comprising the rotables and consumables like lubricants, washers, filters, connectors, adapters, cables and wiring harnesses, brake-pads, drag chutes, landing gear tyres, and weapons ejector racks.
The transfer-of-technology (ToT) component of the total quantum of direct industrial offsets has been sub-divided into five distinct categories:
1)Transfer of production engineering and manufacturing documentation by the French OEMs to their Indian counterparts for fabrication, assembly and testing of those items associated with the CKD kits and IMKs. For this category, the French OEMs are contractually required to give 60% ToT.
2)60% ToT for items produced by the French OEMs’ authorised Indian sub-contractors based on engineering documentation provided by the OEMs to their Indian counterparts.
3)‘Built-to-specs’ ToT to the extent of 25% that includes the development and production of items on the basis of ‘procurement specifications’ sub-contracted by the OEM to various authorised Indian vendors.
4)25% ToT for ‘bought-out items’ procured as ‘fully furnished items’ from the standard item parts catalogues of the OEMs.
5)Not beyond 15% ToT for proprietary items such as components for the RBE-2 AESA-MMR, fly-by-wire flight control system, and modules for the M88 turbofan.
LINK - TRISHUL: Weekend Musings
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Also being negotiated concurrently by the CNC with Dassault Aviation, THALES Avionics and SNECMA Moteurs are the terms and conditions and the cost of the direct/indirect industrial offsets, representing 50% of the total contract value and to be implemented over a period of 13 years (the time taken to licence-build the 108 Rafales). The direct offsets have been sub-divided into three levels, with the first level dealing with major assemblies and systems integration, the second level dealing with sub-assemblies and components, and the third level—constituting the biggest chunk in terms of both financial value and work effort—comprising the rotables and consumables like lubricants, washers, filters, connectors, adapters, cables and wiring harnesses, brake-pads, drag chutes, landing gear tyres, and weapons ejector racks.
The transfer-of-technology (ToT) component of the total quantum of direct industrial offsets has been sub-divided into five distinct categories:
1)Transfer of production engineering and manufacturing documentation by the French OEMs to their Indian counterparts for fabrication, assembly and testing of those items associated with the CKD kits and IMKs. For this category, the French OEMs are contractually required to give 60% ToT.
2)60% ToT for items produced by the French OEMs’ authorised Indian sub-contractors based on engineering documentation provided by the OEMs to their Indian counterparts.
3)‘Built-to-specs’ ToT to the extent of 25% that includes the development and production of items on the basis of ‘procurement specifications’ sub-contracted by the OEM to various authorised Indian vendors.
4)25% ToT for ‘bought-out items’ procured as ‘fully furnished items’ from the standard item parts catalogues of the OEMs.
5)Not beyond 15% ToT for proprietary items such as components for the RBE-2 AESA-MMR, fly-by-wire flight control system, and modules for the M88 turbofan.
LINK - TRISHUL: Weekend Musings
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