India matching China in border infrastructure

[DarkStar]

burnt in a day...... well that would have to be false for india/pakistan. let us see.... pakistan was burnt in 13 days ('71 war)...... india unfortunately did not burn... even in 1962.... it was going down but going down fighting, did not surrender 90k+ soldiers.. lasted for about 30 days..think about it, will ring a bell

You can add 9 months to the 13 days in 71, considering our fight against the mukti bahni.

Rather sheepishly forgot to mention the 48 and 65 war didn't we? tut tut.

 

[SmashJ]

burnt in a day...... well that would have to be false for india/pakistan. let us see.... pakistan was burnt in 13 days ('71 war)...... india unfortunately did not burn... even in 1962.... it was going down but going down fighting, did not surrender 90k+ soldiers.. lasted for about 30 days..think about it, will ring a bell

Rather sheepishly forgot to mention the 48 and 65 war didn't we? tut tut.

what about it... tell me, iam listening keenly

 

[DarkStar]

So you really don't remember the body blows you took?

Forgotten Nehru ji scampering off to the UN with his dhoti in a knot?

Or the Indian Generals claim that he will drink his evening whiskey in gymkhana club, lahore?

You guys suffer from selective amnesia...Get more protein in your diet to work those grey cells.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

don't forget 1962 and the Long March!

 

[DarkStar]

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[SmashJ]

So you really don't remember the body blows you took?

Forgotten Nehru ji scampering off to the UN with his dhoti in a knot?

Or the Indian Generals claim that he will drink his evening whiskey in gymkhana club, lahore?

You guys suffer from selective amnesia...Get more protein in your diet to work those grey cells.

Dude ...... iam not pointing at who lost who won.... all i am saying right now is that it will take more than a day to burn either of our countries.

Any which way i will reply to your posts -

Forgotten Nehru ji scampering off to the UN with his dhoti in a knot? - Well, who was being being thown out of kashmir at that point in time. It was pakistan.. Nehru was a schmuck to go to UN at that time. here is my answer to your crap.. Please ask me for the link..

1947-48 Kashmir War

The 1947-48 War was an improvised war fought on an ad hoc basis. It began with some tangible operational strategy and little definite strategy on the Pakistan side and a definite operational strategy on the Indian side. At the onset Mr Jinnah the Governor General of Pakistan ordered the British Acting C in C Pakistan Army to order two brigades into Kashmir, one on the Sialkot-Jammu Axis and the other on Murree-Muzaffarabad-Srinagar-Axis. This was a tangible plan based on a precise strategy of severing Indian landward and aerial lines of communication to Kashmir. The plan was rendered null and void since the Britisher refused to obey Jinnah’s order.

This was followed by a hastily scrambled series of actions with regular Pakistan Army officers leading irregulars, irregulars besieging Indian/Dogra garrisons and conducting mini-wars against Chamb, Naushera, Srinagar, Skardu, Leh etc. In April 1948 the regular Pakistan Army entered the scene. At this stage the Indians were in a strategically disadvantageous position. Leh being cut off, Poonch besieged, Skardu besieged, Naushera threatened etc. At this stage the Pakistani strategy was to contain Indian Army advance towards Muzaffarabad, capture Poonch and safeguard Pakistan’s soft underbelly opposite Gujrat. No one at this stage thought of a ceasefire, which would have been of great strategic advantage to Pakistan. The Indians conceived a fine plan to outflank Muzaffarabad and executed a brilliant brigade level march across against the 3,000 metres plus high Nastachun Pass, thus unexpectedly forcing their way with great ease to Tithwal. The Pakistani official history noted “Brigadier Harbux Singh, commander of the 163 Brigade waited at Tithwal for two days to let the rest of his brigade join him there . He lingered a little longer to prepare for his next move and perhaps also to coordinate his moves with that of the Indian offensive in the Jhelum Valley for a two pronged push towards Muzaffarabad. This delay changed the subsequent course of history in Kishanganga Valley, as it enabled the first two companies of 4/16 Punjab under Major Mohammad Akbar Khan to reach by a forced march in the vicinity of Tithwal and take up positions there”1. The Pakistanis saved their position by reinforcing it with a brigade.

On the operational level the Pakistanis did well by capturing Pandu a position of tactical importance in the Jhelum Valley by a brilliant infiltration plan conceived by Commander 101 Brigade Brigadier Akbar Khan DSO with the indomitable Major Ishaq MC as his Brigade Major. Akbar deputed Lt Col Harvey Kelly, commanding 4/10 Baluch to plan the attack in detail.2 Pandu, however, was an operational episode of great tactical significance but limited strategic value.

From April 1948 to December 1948 the Pakistani GHQ merely reacted tactically moving companies and battalions while the Indians moved strategically. In Phase One, they recaptured Rajauri the gateway to Poonch with a single tank squadron! In Phase Two, they achieved two strategic triumphs! They forced their way through Zojila Pass driving on to relieve Leh and capture Kargil Dras and they relieved Poonch which was a mini-Indian East Pakistan surrounded from all sides by Pakistani troops.

At this stage the Pakistani GHQ had conceived the Operation Venus. Venus was a thrust against the Indian line of communication leading to Poonch Valley with an infantry and a heavy tank brigade in Naushera-Beri Patan area. At this stage the Indians were involved in the relief of Poonch and Leh and strategically off balance. The official account of 1970, however, maintains that the aim of Venus was not to sever the Indian line of communication to Poonch but merely to force the Indians for ceasefire which they did and which came into effect on night 31 Dec 1948/01 January 1949. If ceasefire was the aim then the Pakistani strategy was barren since a ceasefire in July 1948 would have been far more strategically desirable! This was so since in April 1948 Zojila (captured by Gilgit Scouts under Lieut Shah Khan on 7th July 1948) the gateway to Srinagar as well as Ladakh in Pakistani hands, the frontline near Rajauri and Poonch surrounded by Pakistani troops/irregulars. It is not clear what the Pakistani GHQ advised the civilians at this stage but no records have been made public which prove that they gave any advice!

In the 1960s General Fazal-i- Muqeem asserted that the ceasefire of 1948 took place to the army’s horror since the army was close to a great victory. However, this point is refuted by the Pakistan Army’s Official account of 1970. Much later in 1976 General Sher Ali who was commanding a brigade of the Venus Force asserted that had the operation been launched Pakistani tanks would have been in Jammu within no time! This has to be taken with a pinch of salt once we compare it to the performance of armour in an offensive role in 1965 and 1971!

The Kashmir War ended with the Indians as masters of Poonch Valley, Srinagar Valley and Leh Valley but with a communication to all three valleys running precariously close to the Pakistani border! Thus strategically the Indian position despite all their strategic triumphs was not secure since their line of communications offered multiple objectives to any single Pakistani thrust. One tank brigade with a twenty mile thrust could threaten the existence of a whole Indian army corps. The Indians took no care to remedy this state of affairs despite many war games held in their Kashmir Corps to show that the Pakistanis could threaten the Indian line of communication in Poonch Valley.3


Also, factually Nehru used to prefer a 'sherwani' to a dhoti. So, if you were to say that nehru ran to UN with his pajama in a knot, it would make you post partially correct....... Cheers

 

[DarkStar]

http://drss.net/nehru.jpg

At least we agree to the knot part.

The point was, Nehru clamored for a ceasefire, and got it. If the Indian army had any hope of defending the Valley, Nehru would not have done so.

I believe it was a moment of treachery by ourselves, upon ourselves to have stopped because of UN mediation. If that hadn't happened, who knows Pakistan and India would have been friends now, and the other wars may not even have been fought.

 

[SmashJ]

http://drss.net/nehru.jpg

At least we agree to the knot part.

The point was, Nehru clamored for a ceasefire, and got it. If the Indian army had any hope of defending the Valley, Nehru would not have done so.

I believe it was a moment of treachery by ourselves, upon ourselves to have stopped because of UN mediation. If that hadn't happened, who knows Pakistan and India would have been friends now, and the other wars may not even have been fought.

We can only speculate now basis information available to us.

But nehru did use to prefer sherwani, trust me on this...

Nehru

http://www.titoville.com/images/tito-in-nehru.jpg

http://www.siliconeer.com/past_issues/2000/aug_00_bose_nehru.jpg

There is a jacket style on his name also. It is called Nehru Jacket. The same ones which 'Dr Evil' and 'Mini-Me' wear in Ausin Powers

 

[DarkStar]

It is true that Nehru usually wore a Sherwani with a chust pajama.



I repeat the link again, here is Nehru wearing something that looks suspiciously like a dhoti.

http://drss.net/nehru.jpg

However, I would accept it if you found a picture of Nehru in the UN in1948 wearing a pajama, and not a dhoti underneath.

Until then, the jury is out.

Whats wrong with the dhoti anyway? Millions of Indians still wear it, as it has an automatic air conditioning system, built in, so to speak. Sort of ideal for hot, humid INdian summers.

And Gandhi Bapu has immortalised it, so whats wrong with it? If Gandhi sahab could wear it, why is it so objectionable to you?

 

[Flintlock]

You are simply (wrongly) assuming that he is finding it objectionable. Perhaps your own mindset has something to do with that assumption.

 

[SmashJ]

It is true that Nehru usually wore a Sherwani with a chust pajama.



I repeat the link again, here is Nehru wearing something that looks suspiciously like a dhoti.

http://drss.net/nehru.jpg

However, I would accept it if you found a picture of Nehru in the UN in1948 wearing a pajama, and not a dhoti underneath.

Until then, the jury is out.

Whats wrong with the dhoti anyway? Millions of Indians still wear it, as it has an automatic air conditioning system, built in, so to speak. Sort of ideal for hot, humid INdian summers.

And Gandhi Bapu has immortalised it, so whats wrong with it? If Gandhi sahab could wear it, why is it so objectionable to you?

I am not objecting to Nehru wearing a dhoti. I would not object even if you are wearing a dhoti. It is a sensible garment for some parts of india.

All i am saying is that you were factually incorrect in you earlier statement. Period

 

[DarkStar]

How can I be factually incorrect when I have given you photographic evidence of Mr Nehru wearing a dhoti.

This proves that he did wear a dhoti, although maybe occasionally. It does nto preclude the fact that he could have been wearing a dhoti while going to the UN. As the possibility exists, you cannot call my statement factually incorrect. However, it can be characterised as speculative.

Fact is, all this fuss about the dhoti is you trying to disguise your inability to adress the point I was making.

In 48, Pakistan gained control of a large part of Kashmir from teh Indian army. In 65, Pakistan thwarted Indian attempts to occupy Lahore, RAwalpindi and Sialkot.

His dhoti is neither here nor there.

 

[Kasrkin]

burnt in a day...... well that would have to be false for india/pakistan. let us see.... pakistan was burnt in 13 days ('71 war)...... india unfortunately did not burn... even in 1962.... it was going down but going down fighting, did not surrender 90k+ soldiers.. lasted for about 30 days..think about it, will ring a bell

Dont worry mate, this is just a bitter/off topic comment made by someone who got ticked off by a little something Jana said(insecure are we?)

P.S. East Pakistan did NOT burn, but if the Army and the politicans involved would have wanted it to hold out then it would have burnt real bad.
Besides since when did East-Pakistan become Pakistan? Even Ayub knew that the Bengalis were never our people and that it was a matter of time and how they got rule of their own home which is hundreds of miles away from Pakistan.
Unfortuntely for some people the real Pakistan is still here and will be here till the End InshAllah.

Also China is a 'threat' to India, dont pretend otherwise. If not they why all these "safely precautions?" Precautions are taken when there is a danger of something, in other words a threat.

 

[Black Stone]

It is funny how you guys argue over what Nehru was wearing at the time.

 

[Flintlock]

How can I be factually incorrect when I have given you photographic evidence of Mr Nehru wearing a dhoti.

This proves that he did wear a dhoti, although maybe occasionally. It does nto preclude the fact that he could have been wearing a dhoti while going to the UN. As the possibility exists, you cannot call my statement factually incorrect. However, it can be characterised as speculative.

Fact is, all this fuss about the dhoti is you trying to disguise your inability to adress the point I was making.

This is so lame.