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India launches its 1st indigenous aircraft carrier INS Vikrant

It is not Joking, you are trying to remind us some thing which we already knew. This Aircraft carrier is a just a training for our ship Industry, the new aircraft carrier which is about to begin very soon is of close to 80000 tons with Nuke power plant.

when to start and when to complete?



regarding elevators, lifts,


a single fighter jet weighs 20~40 tons. can india build one for sustainable repeated usage?
Washing machines,
aircoolers,
Bath tubs,
plumbing pipes,
kitchen dishes,
spoons,
forks,
knives,
Toliets,
Beds,
bed sheets,
Pillows,
Blankets,
hair combs,
tables,
Chairs,
heaters,
ovens,
refrigerators,
bulbs,
fans,
switches,
mattresses,
stairs,
doors,
windows,
balconies,
radio,
Television,
CD player,
lap tops,
mics,
speakers,
water bottles,
glasses,
alcohols,
Beverages,
dining ware,
sinks,
cup boards,
Barbecue Grills,
Food items,
shoes,
uniforms

etc..etc...used in INS Vikrant , we can make them no need to worry they are indigenous :D

As for household appliances I dont know much about indian made

The other items are non technical productions which you can source them locally or from your neighbours
 
Viraat, Vikrant, Vikramaditya, Vishal ect..
Why all indian AC names begin with Vi?

What does "Vi" mean in indian?
 
when to start and when to complete?



regarding elevators, lifts,


a single fighter jet weighs 20~40 tons. can india build one for sustainable repeated usage?


As for household appliances I dont know much about indian made

The other items are non technical productions which you can source them locally or from your neighbours

India has long tradition of using Aircraft carriers and IN is been using the lifts in INS Vikrant which is decommissioned. This experience come in handy while constructing INS Vikrant new.

Viraat, Vikrant, Vikramaditya, Vishal ect..
Why all indian AC names begin with Vi?

What does "Vi" mean in indian?

"Vi" do not have a specific meaning, just for name sake they are naming which starts with "Vi".
 
no one will celebration on a 3/8 completion of a vessel like the way cheerleaders do!

yeah go ahead play even cricket on that gigantic ironing board

Do we need to take permission from China for our celebrations? Sorry to burst your bubble but you are not that important.

Its quite amazing to see a Chinese care so much about the Indian carrier?

Please share the reason of your concern about the Indian Carrier.

And even if were to go by your assessment then you should be happy not concerned, you should be happy about our slow pace of development and low level of of domestic expertise, right?

But clearly you seem to be frustrated. I would recommend you to play some porker on the floating casino. That might cool you off.
 
Yes, this is the result of contradicting information - between you're assumptions in the alternate reality, and
the truths available in fact form in the real world. These 2 aspects are contradicting - and you are choosing
to believe in your assumptions rather than the facts available on the world internet and media.

I have given my citation. I did not use my own opinion on the source of steel supply.

That's what I already said back there, no?
yeah you are repeating. Boring!


Could be, couldn't be. Maybe it's something else related to hull-fabrication altogether. But there is no
information about this, so I would rather not assume anything out of imagination.
but if you are not imagining why gauged at 80~90%? why not 70~80 or 60~70% then?The balance of "10~20%" is based on your assessment of "80~90%" which is an imagination, right?


This shows that you don't really know anything about the ship - it has gas turbine engines, not boilers.
They are the LM2500+ high-power turbines from US.

so you dont use boilers for generation of steam this time around unlike the Gorshov refit.

and it only sails at 28 knots and the latter at 32 knots

what about the endurance of the 2?

Some of the info is available here: INS Vikrant launched | LiveFist

good You seems to be the only one who dont talk a lot of trash thus far

The exact details about the other equipment you have quoted is not known at this point of time. You can
either wait to gain some more info as it comes out, or you can assume what you like to believe right away.
Either way, the truth stays the same - that's what I tried to explain to you.

okay. lets wait for those


Navy wants Tejas Mk-2 onboard.

Want and capbility are 2 different things

I think MiK29K will be the mainstay. And it is proven and very cost competitive against Tejas


Again, it is a contradiction between the facts and the assumptions of your alternate reality.

No I didnt assume. I have citations

I bet that Chinese members will celebrate twice as much when your indigenous carrier, which is now
nothing but a small nutshell, arrives at this stage.

I have seen your members drawing vivid conclusions from nothing but a Google Earth image that shows
a small piece of metal block, which may or may not even belong to the carrier in question.

you still fail to see the point

you people are celebrating a 3/8 giant ironing board in some of the grandest fanfare OFFICIALLY and of course on the net and media as well!
 
Not sure if these have been uploaded before. It seems the hull isn't quite finished.

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Yes, the hull not totally completed as yet. The upper rear section, it appears, will be fixed into place after
some internal components in that part are put into place first.

Work in still ongoing in this part.
 
there is no change of subject and whole case of launching and sources of claims are contradictory


How much has the Russians supplied?



So it has taken you 4 years to upgrade the technology, correct?



diesel generator - is it imported?
both the gear boxes and diesel generator are the reason for the delay? What is the difference of having the gearbox+diesel generator to get the ironing board floating and its floating without the gearbox and diesels

Of course we can build the CV or CVN on our own, confidently!




So as I asked it takes 4 years to acquire the technology for making better steel, right?
Again did you sue the Russians for non-delivery or have they delivered some to fulfill just part of the contract?



giving a CdG example is not a good excuse for delay. Why are cheerleading indians so lame?

I am sure the French would have grilled their politcians hard then.



because of a low expectation base



Liaoning a fabulous make all refitted in China which is now a CV for training



You are still changing the subject.
My objection was to the fact that steel was procured and made in India which you so confidently out of ur bias believed believed to be untrue, where I proved u wrong.
There is nothing contradictory, coz u r either misled into believing that launching is as same as commissioning or ur purposely doing so to prove a point that was proven moot 24 pages ago.
You are the only one ranting and counter-ranting that Vikrant is ready, we never claimed that......

As per the news I have read, little to none.


Yes. No one is surprised there.
Charles de Gaule was laid down 3 years after being ordered. We can live with a 4 year delay.

Most probably yes.
Diesel generator had an accident which was resolved quickly.
The gearbox was delayed too.
But the main problem was steel, it does not matter when the other problems would get resolved either way the keel would have been placed in 2009.

:rofl: first build a "mighty" Chinese CVN, before blowing all the gas. LOL the only thing you can confidently say is that after buying all that blueprints cr@p and 2 other AC, ya'll are still reduced to training and floating casinos.

If you are not stupid then you'll know the answer or have enough faculties to research it yourself, coz I don't think anyone would dignify that with an answer.

Finally resorting to base trollery after having nothing to say?
Have you ever considered what cheer leading actually means? LOL, you are the one desperately trying to advocate your casinos and training ACs in an Indian thread, so dude keep it yourself coz in actuality u r the one who is cheer leading.
Delay or no, we are still in the game in which China clearly is not even able to participate.

low expectation???
it is still more than what you people expected

:lol:and refitting is same as designing and integrating systems from all over the world??
And after all the fantabulous Chinese refitting it is still used for training.
 
You are still changing the subject.
My objection was to the fact that steel was procured and made in India which you so confidently out of ur bias believed believed to be untrue, where I proved u wrong.

I have the citations posted
It was not my opinion

There is nothing contradictory, coz u r either misled into believing that launching is as same as commissioning or ur purposely doing so to prove a point that was proved moot 24 pages ago.
As per the news I have read, little to none.

the contradiction of whether the steel is made in india against not or partially not made in india from the respective source quoted



Yes. No one is surprised there.
Charles de Gaule was laid down 3 years after being ordered. We can live with a 4 year delay.

you may live with decades of delays as usual

but a delay is a delay

Most probably yes.
Diesel generator had an accident which was resolved quickly.
The gearbox was delayed too.

so you have tried gearbox and the dieseal generators which are indian made and they failed?

But the main problem was steel, it does not matter when the other problems would get resolved either way the keel would have been placed in 2009.

so obvious the steel where the keel was made is from anywhere (Russia!) than india (where the technology of making high quality steel was not acquired!

:rofl: first build a "mighty" Chinese CVN, before blowing all the gas. LOL the only thing you can confidently say is that after buying all that blueprints cr@p and 2 other AC, ya'll are still reduced to training and floating casinos.

The CVN will be our next rolled out product. We wont have an official party until it is 100% completed and reasonably doing some basic test sailing/ We definitely wont party when it is only 2/8 complete.

Liaoning is working very well! It is slayed for intial training and it could be a stand-by offer to our next CV or CVN when the latter is doing their routine maintenance

We have a de-commissioned foreign made CV now operating as a hotel and amusement park.

Finally resorting to base trollery after having nothing to say?

so contributing comments are trolls while trolls are thanked multiple time for you cheerleaders?

Have you ever considered what cheer leading actually means?
you can find the meaning readily in the perfectly matching indian community here on board

LOL, you are the one desperately trying to advocate your casinos and training ACs in an Indian thread, so dude keep it yourself coz in actuality u r the one who is cheer leading.

No I didnt bring the word " carsino" into the discussion. It was some cheerleaders who started it


Delay or no, we are still in the game in which China clearly is not even able to participate.

I didnt say you're not but youve brought a lot of jokes along the way

We not able to participate? you are joking again and it is not funny

low expectation???
it is still more than what you people expected

yeah the customarily indian celebration on the drop of a nickel

:lol:and refitting is same as designing and integrating systems from all over the world??
And after all the fantabulous Chinese refitting it is still used for training.

the status of Liaoning is stated above and it is doing great!

you cheerleading indian are not even capable to have the Gorshkov refitted in your own shipyard!
 
I have given my citation. I did not use my own opinion on the source of steel supply.

Your citations are outdated. All the latest news, from various sources, says that the ship is made out of steel manufactured by SAIL and other Indian companies. You are living in the alternate universe with reference to the fact that you still choosing to go by outdated sources.

What exactly happened is that India originally wanted steel from Russia, because 1) It would be delivered sooner and 2) India did not have the production facilities for making warship-grade steel
at that time.

But the Russian offer experienced severe cost escalations and dispute in negotiations resulted in the original supply contract getting halted mid-way through - the only alternative now was to make this steel indigenously. This will take a lot more time (also resulting in delays for the ship), but it will be more beneficial in the long term (yes, the production of high-strength military-grade steel in India was initiated not just for IAC-1, but for the nuclear submarines, and other future warships as well. It was more of a long-term strategy decision rather than short-term interim decision).

but if you are not imagining why gauged at 80~90%? why not 70~80 or 60~70% then?The balance of "10~20%" is based on your assessment of "80~90%" which is an imagination, right?

I did not assume that 80-90% of hull-fabrication materials were Indian, it was said by Indian Navy Vice-Admiral R.K. Dhowan.

Here is the link: Indigenization and the Indian Navy

But what exact components the remaining 10-20% consists of is not known, so I told you that's it's safer not to assume it out of imagination.

so you dont use boilers for generation of steam this time around unlike the Gorshov refit.

and it only sails at 28 knots and the latter at 32 knots

what about the endurance of the 2?

Yes, no more boilers, only gas turbines and in future N-reactors for the power.

IAC-1's maximum speed is upto 30 knots, Gorshkov's is only 29 knots, the 32 knots figure is the upper limit, but it cannot be sustained for long due to the limits on the boilers. 29 knots is the
GSQR-specified optimum speed.

IAC-1's optimum speed is 1 knot more, at 30 knots.

IAC-1 surpasses Gorshkov is almost all (if not completely all) aspects of performance, endurance, air wing, radars & electronic components and other such stuff. It also has a longer service life and is less maintenance-intensive.

The gas turbine engines also give it a lot of endurance while travelling at maximum speeds than Gorshkov.

It also has lesser target signature due to the sleek island superstructure (as was shown in the CG images), this is because Cold War-era ships like Gorshkov & Varyag also include the space allocated for cruise missiles and stuff they originally used to carry.

Naval doctrines have changed a lot in terms of India/China, so these ACC-based cruise missiles and stuff has gone - BUT the space allocated for operating & monitoring them has stayed back - this is part of the reason why Gorshkov and Varyag have such large islands with big target signature even in terms of Over-The-Horizon Targeting (OTHT), or simply visual signature.

IAC-1 was designed from the ground-up to cater to the needs of a modern 21st century Indian Navy, unlike Gorshkov and Varyag which were designed for Soviet needs and Soviet doctrine from the Cold War era.

Plus, IAC-1 can carry more aircraft (30 as compared to 26) than Gorshkov, despite displacing less weight (37-40k compared to Gorshkov's 44.5k), this makes it decades ahead of Gorshkov in almost all terms that define a modern warship.

Want and capbility are 2 different things

I think MiK29K will be the mainstay. And it is proven and very cost competitive against Tejas

Given what Air Force and Navy have specified for Tejas Mk.2, it will outstrip MiG-29K in almost everything. So when and if Tejas Mk-2 (TM-2 for short) gets ready, the Navy will have no reason
to stick to MiG-29K against Tejas.

you still fail to see the point

you people are celebrating a 3/8 giant ironing board in some of the grandest fanfare OFFICIALLY and of course on the net and media as well!

That's because this is the official launch ceremony.
 
I have the citations posted
It was not my opinion



the contradiction of whether the steel is made in india against not or partially not made in india from the respective source quoted





you may live with decades of delays as usual

but a delay is a delay



so you have tried gearbox and the dieseal generators which are indian made and they failed?



so obvious the steel where the keel was made is from anywhere (Russia!) than india (where the technology of making high quality steel was not acquired!



The CVN will be our next rolled out product. We wont have an official party until it is 100% completed and reasonably doing some basic test sailing/ We definitely wont party when it is only 2/8 complete.

Liaoning is working very well! It is slayed for intial training and it could be a stand-by offer to our next CV or CVN when the latter is doing their routine maintenance

We have a de-commissioned foreign made CV now operating as a hotel and amusement park.



so contributing comments are trolls while trolls are thanked multiple time for you cheerleaders?


you can find the meaning readily in the perfectly matching indian community here on board



No I didnt bring the word " carsino" into the discussion. It was some cheerleaders who started it




I didnt say you're not but youve brought a lot of jokes along the way

We not able to participate? you are joking again and it is not funny



yeah the customarily indian celebration on the drop of a nickel



the status of Liaoning is stated above and it is doing great!

you cheerleading indian are not even capable to have the Gorshkov refitted in your own shipyard!

oh my friend shut-tler.....:laughcry::laughcry:----:omghaha::omghaha::laughcry::china::laughcry:
 
for "vincible"

Alternate reality again, sir?

All the names have meanings defined in Sanskrit.

Viraat = Giant/Very Large
Vikramaditya = Brave/Brave as the Sun (this was also the name of an ancient Indian king)
Vikrant = Courageous
Vishal = Great/Gigantic/Magnificent
 

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