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150 million USD is quite low and India has the cost arbitrage and can use the economy of scale compared to say US, such project could have cost a billion dollar for US.

At the same time why do EU countries like Germany, France, UK, Italy, and other with a per capita income of 55,000 USD are not undertaking any space missions like this?? and India going full throttle with it...there are answers like it is for defence purpose/future aspects/India firmly in space and lots of positive connotations meant for the Indian masses, govt..

Above all it do serve some kind of solace, a motivation factor...like an opium for the masses, the chest thumping and the bragging that entails these prestige projects. Intl' dimension as well...

Space travel and space research including mining of Astro elements has recently gained momentum (again) with the influx of private players like SpaceX.
There is a commercial market for launching satellites and I believe India is aiming to monetize this aspect while developing its skill/tech to compete with the private players. It will be a huge business in the years to come.

As to why I think EU nations haven’t embarked on this project, it’s obviously speculation, but I believe that it has to do with their association and agreements with the US and NASA where they are involved. I’m assuming there is some resource and tech sharing that is involved. Im pretty certain a lot of these countries possess the tech, but choose not to engage in individual space programs because of wastage of resources.

And lastly, if a scientific achievement such as gaining nuclear technology is something we south Asians brag about (take Pakistanis on this forum itself as examples), I don’t see why Indians shouldn’t take space research and achievements associated with it as a matter of pride. But to say, it’s purely for chest thumping is a bit naive.
There is a commercial/self serving (launching own satellites) interests associated with it.

We are bitten by you (RAW)/Mossad/CIA in Afghanistan since war on terror started in Afghanistan, why you (india) thinks YOU are only innocent in the subcontinent and Pakistan is did bad against India and india did not do any thing bad against Pakistan please answer these question @Peshwa

Well then your statement “India is the biggest threat to peace in the subcontinent” is you acting saintly and not owning up to your country’s actions in this mess. India is no saint, but Pakistanis like you shouldn’t be throwing these statements around either.
Own up to your actions and we will to ours. It takes two to clap and we both have played our part in instability.
This is a chicken and egg situation here.

What you’re doing is putting the blame solely on India and forgetting the evils your country has partaken in to also bring instability to this region.




from your post # 67 @Peshwa

What am I to see here?
Exactly what I said, at least this 150 million will not go to purchasing an additional jet.
What’s the confusion?
 
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We should be happy cuz may be they plan to move to the moon one day.

You never know, the Moon would be like, "these Indians couldn't build toilets in their own country, no way am I letting them settle here!" End result, Moon bounces Indians off to Mars out of sheer disgust. On the plus side, Indians finally managed to reach Mars. But wait!! Mars would be like ....

.... and the story continues across the Milky Way!!
 
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I believe humanity will be on Mars in 10 years.

For me personally, the Moon is boring. There's no great advantage in humans being on the Moon. We can build a bigger version of the International Space Station that can be used as a construction yard to build big spaceships that can travel to Mars and beyond.

@Hamartia Antidote @KapitaanAli @RealNapster

Well the surface of the moon is basically a big sooty ashtray. Plus it has zero protection from radiation. So other than it being nearby it isn’t exactly the most livable.

Mars has some better pros to it.
 
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150 million USD is quite low and India has the cost arbitrage and can use the economy of scale compared to say US, such project could have cost a billion dollar for US.

At the same time why do EU countries like Germany, France, UK, Italy, and other with a per capita income of 55,000 USD are not undertaking any space missions like this?? and India going full throttle with it...there are answers like it is for defence purpose/future aspects/India firmly in space and lots of positive connotations meant for the Indian masses, govt..

Above all it do serve some kind of solace, a motivation factor...like an opium for the masses, the chest thumping and the bragging that entails these prestige projects. Intl' dimension as well...

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Half of the world, including Poland, helps build an artificial sun in France
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The ITER project, which will build a fusion reactor in the south of France, will be the second most expensive research project in the world, right after the International Space Station. Polish researchers have a share in the project.

ITER (International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor) is being built in Cadarache in southern France, to explore the possibility of energy production by nuclear fusion. The same reaction is the source of energy in stars, including the Sun. It is assumed that the tokamak (the fusion power reactor) will produce at least 10 times more energy than it will consume.

The ITER project involves the European Union, China, India, Russia, the United States, Japan and South Korea - countries which together are home to more than half of humanity. Initially it was assumed that the cost of the project would amount to few billion, but now there is talk about the cost of 20 billion euros. European Union will finance 50 percent of the project, and each of the other countries - up to 10 percent.

Poland, as well as other member states of the European Atomic Energy Community (EURATOM) may participate in tenders and fight for participation in the study. The share of these countries is coordinated by the Fusion For Energy (F4E).

Prof. Roman Zagórski, Deputy Director of the Institute of Plasma Physics and Laser Microfusion in Warsaw (Instytut Fizyki Plazmy i Laserowej Mikrosyntezy, IFPiLM), said in an interview with PAP that the ITER device nuclear "fuel" will contain deuterium and tritium. They are hydrogen isotopes, which have additional neutrons in their nuclei. Under appropriate conditions, the hydrogen isotope nuclei transform into helium nuclei, releasing high energy.

Prof. Maciej Chorowski from Wrocław University of Technology explained that plasma - hot ionized gas - within the reactor would reach the temperature of 100 million degrees Celsius, almost 10 times higher than the temperature inside the Sun. None of the available materials could hold such a hot medium in the right place. It will be possible thanks to the electric and magnetic properties of plasma. Ionized gas can be closed in a magnetic trap. Plasma will virtually levitate in the vacuum chamber without coming into contact with the walls.

In order to produce such a strong magnetic field, scientists will need extremely powerful superconducting magnets. "And the magnets must be cooled - 269°C with liquid helium. So we have a paradox: in one machine, in the immediate vicinity, we have temperatures higher than inside the sun, and very low temperatures" - noted Prof. Chorowski. Since 2008, researchers from Wrocław University of Technology have been involved in the design of the cryogenic cooling system. Their tasks included verification of helium distribution system and conducting a risk analysis in the cooling system.

200 superfast cameras will monitor whether magnets in the vacuum chamber hold the plasma and whether it has the appropriate properties. Cameras watch the plasma and tokamak components, providing information about their temperature. Information will also be sent in real time to the control system, which ensures the stability of the generated plasma. "The team from Łódź University of Technology designs control and data acquisition systems for ITER, using modern technology and standards" - told PAP Dariusz Makowski from Łódź University of Technology. He explained that this includes processing software for camera images, data transmission and archiving system. Dr. Makowski noted that high resolution, megapixel cameras will film at high speed, 1000 frames per second. This will generate enormous amounts of data that need to be properly processed and archived. Researchers from Łódź University of Technology are responsible for the development of such a system.

The research commissioned by F4E for ITER also involves researchers from AGH University of Science and Technology, who participate in the work of an international consortium. "The ITER shield includes materials in which tritium will be produced in the neutron field. The element, which allows it to produce it, is lithium" - told PAP Eng. Wladysław Pohorecki of AGH . He explained that his team proposed and developed a method to measure tritium directly in one of the proposed fertile materials.

IFPiLM and the Institute of Nuclear Physics in Cracow also carry out work commissioned by F4E. This concerns the design of the device, which will measure the spatial distribution of neutrons emitted from the ITER plasma (so-called Radial Neutron Camera). In particular, the tasks of researchers include the selection of appropriate detectors, construction of a prototype and development of a calibration system.

Polish companies can also compete for F4E orders and participation in the ITER project. Representatives of the Wrocław Technology Park, coordinator of the participation of Polish companies in the ITER project, informed PAP in mid-March that so fat only one Polish company was involved in the project. At the end of last year, SMT Software based in Wrocław won a tender for IT orders for F4E. The agreement covers comprehensive IT services, i.e. software development , system performance measurements and advisory services.

Deputy Director of the Institute of Plasma Physics and Laser Microfusion in Warsaw explained that the main objective of ITER would not be converting the generated energy into electricity. "The primary objective of ITER is to show that we can maintain controlled thermonuclear fusion" - said Zagórski. He admitted, however, that the research done in ITER should then help build the first fusion power plants.

Prof. Chorowski added that although the primary goal of the ITER project is the development of science, the "project would never be funded, if it were not a market for high tech industry" - commented Prof. Chorowski and added that it was a form of "public works for the industry". "Conscious economies treat such a project as part of self-development, and the economies such as ours - ancillary in fact - often carrying out work on the construction of a device such as ITER without long-term benefits of this fact" - he commented. In his opinion, Poland should use the opportunities offered by participating in the project.

PAP - Science and Scholarship in Poland, Ludwika Tomala
 
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What am I to see here?
Exactly what I said, at least this 150 million will not go to purchasing an additional jet.
What’s the confusion?
at least it’s not going to purchasing an aircraft for defense.

don't twist your words, you clearly say that India will not going to buy fighter jet in future and 150 millions your figure is not related for additional jet but you're suggesting India shouldn't not spend 150 million on space exploration but this amount should be go to Indian defense her you rest of the post # 67
Think of it this way, the 150 million odd amount spent on this moon landing is not going to eliminate poverty in India
@Peshwa
 
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India spent 0.06% of it's GDP on space research and mission, very less than other space faring nation.. and India actually makes money launching satelites for other countries...
don't twist your words, you clearly say that India will not going to buy fighter jet in future and 150 millions your figure is not related for additional jet but you're suggesting India shouldn't not spend 150 million on space exploration but this amount should be go to Indian defense her you rest of the post # 67
@Peshwa

I’m clear in my thoughts and words.
You’re the one obfuscating them.
There’s nothing to discuss here my friend.
 
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Science has no religion or nationality. A discovery or any invention is a collective win for humanity in the wilderness of this universe. Kudos to Indian engineers and scientists who achieved a marvelous feat. It should be a moment of pride for humans.
 
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The credit for India investing in science and technology from Day 1 of independence goes to the much maligned Nehru. Today he is the favorite villain of Modi fans - but his foresight gave India its technological success. The guys who oppose him today would have spent the $ in vanity projects.
 
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If you can send a rocket to the moon and land a robot payload to study the soil, it's easy-peasy for you to land a nuclear weapon anywhere on earth. Uncle Sam won't sanction you for ICBM tests too, so that's a bonus.

The military implications/advantages are pretty obvious but this is so great just from a science and commerce point of view too.

If we had peace then India and China would compete to grab Pakistani contracts for launching their satellites, best price/top quality lol .. all while Pak would develop their own space program.

one can hope..
 
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Ahh sure , while ordinary Indian dies of hunger in the largest slums of the world in Mumbai his fellow mate would land on moon, wasting billions of dollars. Irony!!
 
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Fingers crossed. There is a 15 minutes of terror for the moon lander when all communication will be lost.

If it's a success we will troll. If it's a failure we will be trolled. That's it.
The biggest question is: Will indian govt and media accept if its failed or just like that Bala..... (you know what I mean)
 
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The credit for India investing in science and technology from Day 1 of independence goes to the much maligned Nehru. Today he is the favorite villain of Modi fans - but his foresight gave India its technological success. The guys who oppose him today would have spent the $ in vanity projects.


Wait for few hours before Modi taking credit for it, and for the whole Chandrayaan-2 endeavor, and Sanghis in millions will love it...Modi hai tau Mumkin hai blaring and they basking in the glory of an event whose credit lies elsewhere.

So this is not Pakistan versus India any more....this is between saner/inclusive/tolerant people in India versus a sea of Sanghis and indoctrinated crores of Indians...

Lets's see who wins...till date intolerance, bigotry, naivette/falsehood is winning in India and ultimately they will wake up to the reality, hope before the point of no return for India.
 
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Wait for few hours before Modi taking credit for it, and for the whole Chandrayaan-2 endeavor, and Sanghis in millions will love it...Modi hai tau Mumkin hai blaring and they basking in the glory of an event whose credit lies elsewhere.

So this is not Pakistan versus India any more....this is between saner/inclusive/tolerant people in India versus a sea of Sanghis and indoctrinated crores of Indians...

Lets's see who wins...till date intolerance, bigotry, naivette/falsehood is winning in India and ultimately they will wake up to the reality, hope before the point of no return for India.
Can't hold India alone in that bracket. From USA to Brazil to Phillipines - the general population has had a strong right wing tilt on the back of a muscular nationalist driven campaign.
 
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Wait for few hours before Modi taking credit for it, and for the whole Chandrayaan-2 endeavor, and Sanghis in millions will love it...Modi hai tau Mumkin hai blaring and they basking in the glory of an event whose credit lies elsewhere.

So this is not Pakistan versus India any more....this is between saner/inclusive/tolerant people in India versus a sea of Sanghis and indoctrinated crores of Indians...

Lets's see who wins...till date intolerance, bigotry, naivette/falsehood is winning in India and ultimately they will wake up to the reality, hope before the point of no return for India.

Perfectly said. As mr.katju mentioned said 90% of indians are idiots.

To those who fail to see the relevance of soft landing on a moving stellar object, you lack vision.

Best of luck to ISRO.
 
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