India Is Buying 36 Rafale Fighters from France (and Pakistan Should Worry)

[el nino]

Pakistan will look for its options if and when India really buys this Aircraft.

What do you mean if they will buy

The deal has-been signed

15%, deposit paid

Two new air bases being built north of new Delhi

And Indian pilots are in France training already

Infact CEO of dassult confirmed India is already negotiating deal for fifty more rafales as follow up order as the Indians may not now buy either block 70 or gripen make in India deal .

Rather more rafales which is a sensible move.

Apparently both gripen and Lockheed want 15 billion dollars total cost for 120.make in India fighters

Way over Indian budget

 

[Windjammer]

I'm not convinced by a thunder

Chinease products are generally considered inferior and poor quality to western goods .

This currentv image and reputation will not change to military hardware.from western countries

The radar and small power of the thunder makes it very vulnerable to a massive threat of the mki pesa radars irst systems and Israeli jammers.

The difference in detection capability between a thunder and mki is far too wide.

There was no thunder incident or certainly not were the 70 million dollar super flankers did a runner from small budget Chinease fighter like the thunder

No one is here trying to convince you since your buck stops on Chinese Mall.
Perhaps you should revisit history and enlighten yourself with what the Chinese F-6s did to your Migs, SU-7s and Hunters during 1971 war, more recently the Chinese F-7PGs in PAF service have been spoiling the day for some well known brands,
And it's actually JF-17s which now patrol the Indian border and not without reason.

Alan Warnes‏ @warnesyworld
Spent time with the superb Black Panthers at Minhas today. Two of their JF-17s on ADA were scrambled with full loadout and headed east.

 

[Basel]

Maybe because the author felt it necessary to mention Pakistan in the title.

India Is Buying 36 Rafale Fighters from France (and Pakistan Should Worry)
Guru, ho ja shru....

Forget Blk 52s which can carry up to six BVRs, ask your MKI pilot about the JF-17 incident which only carries two.

Are you referring to ADA alert scramble Of JFT which Alan Warns mentioned??

What is real full story behind that?

 

[Fledgingwings]

What do you mean if they will buy

The deal has-been signed

15%, deposit paid

Two new air bases being built north of new Delhi

And Indian pilots are in France training already

Infact CEO of dassult confirmed India is already negotiating deal for fifty more rafales as follow up order as the Indians may not now buy either block 70 or gripen make in India deal .

Rather more rafales which is a sensible move.

Apparently both gripen and Lockheed want 15 billion dollars total cost for 120.make in India fighters

Way over Indian budget

Relax dude I just expressed an opinion.Why the desperation?

 

[Hassan Guy]

PAF will phase out its F-7's way before the IAF does the same with its MiG-21's.

 

[el nino]

PAF will phase out its F-7's way before the IAF does the same with its MiG-21's.

Do wish to explain HOW ????????

You have 150 F7 & 100 Mirages 3/5 = That's 250 obsolete vintage fighters from a total fleet of 370 planes

Your inducting 10 new Thunders per year since 2009 ie 80 Thunders in 8 Years

You cannot afford any new F16/52 as per recent events on 8 new block 52 which you pulled out of

You have signed for nothing else ... YES WE KNOW lots of evaluation.

My maths says it will take you 15 - 20 years to replace your F7 & Mirage fleet based on current induction of thunders alone . I cant use anything else as you have no more deals signed

INDIA

Has 120 mig21 bison need replacing

All other migs ie 23/27 mig21 have already gone

That leaves 450 su30mki/mirage2000/ mig29 & jaguars which are not being phased out

in other words india has far more modern fleet of fighters relative to PAF even today

AND

INDIA is still license building 16 mki per year until 2019
inducting 36 rafale over next 4 years
inducting 123 tejas at 8 planes per year rising to 12 planes post 2020

SO I ASK AGAIN how you replaing your obsolete fighters on 8 thunders per year

 

[Hulk]

Agreed mumbai attacks were not in Kashmir but those were non-state actors ... do we have control over these non-state actors ? No ... you can find numerous example like TTP, BLA, Layari gang war criminals and MQM ... if that not be the case we would not have carried death of 60k pakistanies ...

Case of Pakistan is not simple we are bordering with Afghanistan which is in state of war since 5 decades and we had open border with them and we were forced to engaged in that war due to soviet union which was already a party to 1971 and we know the history well ...

You need to understand thanks to cold war and then financing from India these terrorist are part of our system undetected which is evident from PNS Mehran attack .. Kamra Attack ... and I am sure you are also aware of the fact that there was an attempt to hijack a warship which was planned to be used against India involving sserving navy officer ... Pakistan is fighting a fifth deadly fifth generation war and mumbai attack was one of that event ... there was no direct involvement of state or hafiz saeed ever proved ... India just capitalized the event and blamed it on hafiz saeed ... whereas hafiz saeed had nothing to do with it as his core focus is ashmir movement ...

Anyways all this is off topic ...

I would be happy discuss this in a relevant thread, it was nice talking to someone who was talking on facts and not with bias.

 

[Hassan Guy]

how you replaing your obsolete fighters on 8 thunders per year

PAC manufactures 16 Jf-17s per year [1]

& 100 Mirages 3/5

I only mentioned the F-7 and not the Mirages, they will stay in service after F-7's are retired. [2]

INDIA Has 120 mig21 bison need replacing All other migs ie 23/27 mig21 have already gone

Just a year and a half ago India has 240 Mig 21's, and 87 Mig 27's [3]

INDIA is still license building 16 mki per year until 2019

But your still reliant on russian manufactured assembly kits and spares

inducting 123 tejas

 

[el nino]

PAC manufactures 16 Jf-17s per year [1]

I only mentioned the F-7 and not the Mirages, they will stay in service after F-7's are retired. [2]

Just a year and a half ago India has 240 Mig 21's, and 87 Mig 27's [3]

But your still reliant on russian manufactured assembly kits and spares

You are correct in 2016 india had 87 mig27 .. But the last squadron was phased out January 2017

All MIG21 bar the bison BVR capable phased out 2017

So that this is why the Sqds numbers are falling from 39 to just 30

MKI arriving 16 per year ...........currently 240 fighters in service
Rafale 36 in 2019/2022 and more to follow
Tejas 4 last year 6 more this year production ramped up to 12 and 16 by 2020

by 2020

India Air force will have no migs left Bar 63 mig29
Mostly SU30MKI around 300 plus mirage2000/5 rafale Tejas & Jaguars

SU30 MKI will equip 15 sqds ie HALF the combat fleet

 

[The Accountant]

You are correct in 2016 india had 87 mig27 .. But the last squadron was phased out January 2017

All MIG21 bar the bison BVR capable phased out 2017

So that this is why the Sqds numbers are falling from 39 to just 30

MKI arriving 16 per year ...........currently 240 fighters in service
Rafale 36 in 2019/2022 and more to follow
Tejas 4 last year 6 more this year production ramped up to 12 and 16 by 2020

by 2020

India Air force will have no migs left Bar 63 mig29
Mostly SU30MKI around 300 plus mirage2000/5 rafale Tejas & Jaguars

SU30 MKI will equip 15 sqds ie HALF the combat fleet

By 2020 Pakistan will be having 90-100 F16s (after getting Jordan F16)
150-160 thunders ...
Probably 100 Mirrage 5 / F7 PGs of Pakistan are new BVR capable and good for Air defense role specially in mountaneous areas where there is no use of big radars and small nimble aircraft are lethal ...
and one more 4.5 generation figther i.e. Su35, J16, J10C or Typhoon ... probably between 30 to 40

 

[IblinI]

PAC manufactures 16 Jf-17s per year [1]

I only mentioned the F-7 and not the Mirages, they will stay in service after F-7's are retired. [2]

Just a year and a half ago India has 240 Mig 21's, and 87 Mig 27's [3]

But your still reliant on russian manufactured assembly kits and spares

Accounting on the keyboard is indeed much easier than reality, all those "Fancy Super Jet" Hype from our Indian members.
Sigh...

 

[GURU DUTT]

Maybe because the author felt it necessary to mention Pakistan in the title.

India Is Buying 36 Rafale Fighters from France (and Pakistan Should Worry)
Guru, ho ja shru....

Forget Blk 52s which can carry up to six BVRs, ask your MKI pilot about the JF-17 incident which only carries two.

Kaise ho jammer bhaiyye kaisee katt rahee hai

1. MKI carries 12 BVRs and still can fire them in 6 tandem pair like 1 active guided mode and 1 in passive guided mode with lock on before or after launch capability at six different targets at a range of 125Km (max range of its prime LR-BVRs) plus it also has a so called AWACS Killer BVR with 400KM/780Kg/50Kg HE fregmentation warhead with range (it can carry 4 of those in a single sortie)

2. india has now achved 65% readyness level on MKI and we have 270 of them meaning 175 always ready meaning total ammount of fighters in PAF now what about upgraded M2K & Fulkrums & Jaguars even if you dont bring potential threat posted by rafales or FGFA in future @Windjammer

3. last but not the least we are parctising against F16 Blk50/52 of singapore airforce which are stationed in india for over a decade now and getting all inputs from insraeli & merican experts as our pilots keep making trips to israel & USA for the same so you think your 18-40 bugged and obsolete F16s would really sacre us jammer bhiyye think again

 

[Fledgingwings]

PAF will phase out its F-7's way before the IAF does the same with its MiG-21's.

Yet the competition is getting tougher between the two airforces regarding 4th generation pick.

 

[帅的一匹]

I'm not convinced by a thunder

Chinease products are generally considered inferior and poor quality to western goods .

This currentv image and reputation will not change to military hardware.from western countries

The radar and small power of the thunder makes it very vulnerable to a massive threat of the mki pesa radars irst systems and Israeli jammers.

The difference in detection capability between a thunder and mki is far too wide.

There was no thunder incident or certainly not were the 70 million dollar super flankers did a runner from small budget Chinease fighter like the thunder

MKI waits to be slaughtered by J20.

 

[el nino]

MKI waits to be slaughtered by J20.

Please tell me a single kill by S Chinease fighter in last forty years .

I cannot think of one successful kill by Indengious Chinease.fighter or pilot