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I never starved and exploited any dalit neither did anyone in my extended family god knows why you westerners always try to demonize my community in front of fellow Indians

Most Germans did not put their hands on the killings of Jews, Sinti & Roma, gays, physically and mentally handicaped or other people who were defined as Untermensch by the Nazis because they didn't experience any disadvantages by staying indifferent and silent. Just like your fellow country men who said that those people don't matter while the dying goes on.
 
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Yeah, pretty much all of the above is tripe packaged as something legitimate.

Its Intellectually dishonestly or more likely poor analysis by the author.

He mentions current statistics but has skipped the progress made since 1990s economic boom

For instance the child mortality has reduced from 3.3 million in 1990 to 1.4 million in 2012. not to forget the drop poverty rate from 1990

http://www.childinfo.org/files/Child_Mortality_Report_2013.pdf

I never starved and exploited any dalit neither did anyone in my extended family god knows why you westerners always try to demonize my community in front of fellow Indians

Its closeted racism for certain Indo-phobes.

They cannot bear any Indian ethnic group in slightly privileged position, they want all Indians to be equally low in their eyes.
 
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Its closeted racism for certain Indo-phobes.

They cannot bear any Indian ethnic group in slightly privileged position, they want all Indians to be equally low in their eyes.

Lovely how you call people closeted racist who criticise the real racism against the dalits that happens in India.

I have nothing against previlege due to merits but very much against previlege by birth. But that's probably too difficult for many of you to understand. Where else can you find a "democracy" that's been ruled through dynastic succession?
 
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So, you effectively say that democracy is just a farce to keep the plebs delusional but by the end of the day their voice doesn't matter as they are not the people that "matter".

I'm not a supporter of democracy in India.

BUT democracy allows those people to vote for the ones they want in power. But that doesn't mean those same people can hold the nations interest hostage. The ones who have the resources to guide the nation are the ones who should be given the responsibility. Not the uneducated tribal.

Please try to take off your anti-India and anything Indian glasses and digest what I'm trying to say.

Lovely how you call people closeted racist who criticise the real racism against the dalits that happens in India.

I have nothing against previlege due to merits but very much against previlege by birth. But that's probably too difficult for many of you to understand. Where else can you find a "democracy" that's been ruled through dynastic succession?

Just an example of the meritocracy in India, Narendra Modi, slated to be the next PM is a lower caste and Devyani Khobragarde is a Dalit.

It's not perfect, but it's not exactly hopeless.
 
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I'm not a supporter of democracy in India.

BUT democracy allows those people to vote for the ones they want in power. But that doesn't mean those same people can hold the nations interest hostage. The ones who have the resources to guide the nation are the ones who should be given the responsibility. Not the uneducated tribal.

Please try to take off your anti-India and anything Indian glasses and digest what I'm trying to say.



Just an example of the meritocracy in India, Narendra Modi, slated to be the next PM is a lower caste and Devyani Khobragarde is a Dalit.

It's not perfect, but it's not exactly hopeless.

Fair enough, at least you are honest enough to say that you prefer a meritocratic or elitist ruling system. For that you don't even need a farcical (and money wasting) election where it doesn't matter who is voted in as either party will serve the interest of the ruling class.

The fact that you still call them low cast is already problematic, don't you see?
 
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Lovely how you call people closeted racist who criticise the real racism against the dalits that happens in India.

criticise the real racism against the dalits by making statements with no factual backing? like the one below--

What they call democracy is just a different version of fascism with better PR. What is the difference to Nazi definition of Übermensch (Brahmin) to Untermensch (Dalits)?

Nothing!

The Nazis killed the Untermensch in concentration camps, the Brahmins kill the Dalits with starvation and exploitation.

Some wretched filthy degenerate savages killed gypsies in the past, today they yearn for Brahmins

And like all mass murderers in history they need to give justification for their perversion by preaching the victim deserved it and providing statements with no factual backing
 
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Fair enough, at least you are honest enough to say that you prefer a meritocratic or elitist ruling system. For that you don't even need a farcical (and money wasting) election where it doesn't matter who is voted in as either party will serve the interest of the ruling class.

The fact that you still call them low cast is already problematic, don't you see?

Heck I completely agree.

Not really, they are a 'low caste', that doesn't mean they should be discriminated against or looked down upon. The time has come for 'low caste' to be something that people should take pride in. Nobody should deny their ancestry, no matter how in glorious it is.
 
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criticise the real racism against the dalits by making statements with no factual backing?



Some wretched filthy degenerate savages killed gypsies in the past, today they yearn for Brahmins

And like all mass murderers in history they need to give justification for their perversion by preaching the victim deserved it and providing statements with no factual backing

Come again!?
 
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Cr@ppy article,but what does this mean??

For Britain, India is now a "priority market" – to quote the government's arms sales unit. In 2010, David Cameron took the heads of the major British arms companies to Delhi and signed a $700m contract to supply Hawk fighter bombers. Disguised as "trainers", these lethal aircraft were used against the villages of East Timor.

:omghaha:
 
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Heck I completely agree.

Not really, they are a 'low caste', that doesn't mean they should be discriminated against or looked down upon. The time has come for 'low caste' to be something that people should take pride in. Nobody should deny their ancestry, no matter how in glorious it is.

I agree that people should not deny their ancestry, but the term caste is problematic as they have been stigmatised for centuries and in almost all cases cementing the faith of a person, e.g. you can't deny that inter-caste marriages are still problematic in India, can you?

Even in Europe people have some reservation to marry someone with poorer financial/educational background, but the poorer person can still rise up through education and hard work and thus can be fully accepted by the upper class. The person's pervious background does not matter anymore once he/she succeeded in life as we don't have a term that cements their background at all.
 
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I agree that people should not deny their ancestry, but the term caste is problematic as they have been stigmatised for centuries and in almost all cases cementing the faith of a person, e.g. you can't deny that inter-caste marriages are still problematic in India, can you?

Even in Europe people have some reservation to marry someone with poorer financial/educational background, but the poorer person can still rise up through education and hard work and thus can be fully accepted by the upper class. The person's pervious background does not matter anymore once he/she succeeded in life as we don't have a term that cements their background at all.

I don't know too much about what the on-the-ground situation is like in India, I only visit once a year.

If you mean inter-caste love marriages, I don't believe it is too much of a problem any more. But I have seen newspapers with matrimonial ads that ask for a specific caste. Is that a problem, maybe, is it a crippling problem, hardly.
 
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Men Report Abusing More Frequently Than Women Report Abuse - India Real Time - WSJ

http://www.icrw.org/files/publications/Masculinity Study_WEB Version.pdf


Men Report Abusing More Frequently Than Women Report Abuse
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People held candles in solidarity with the young woman who was gang-raped and murdered in New Delhi in December 2012.
Men report committing sexual violence at a higher rate than women report experiencing it in some Indian states, according to a study on masculinity and intimate partner violence aimed at uncovering the extent of under reporting of abuse against women.

A growing number of women in urban India are coming forward to report sexual harassment to the authorities, but those living in rural parts of the country are still largely reluctant to report abuse. Overall, women’s rights groups say, the rate of abuse reported by the female population is an underestimate of the actual figure.

Researchers asked men taking part in the study whether they had perpetrated emotional, physical, or sexual violence against an intimate partner in the past 12 months. Women in the survey were asked whether they had experienced such violence at the hands of an intimate partner over the same period. The idea was to tease out reasons why women under report abuse by comparing their answers.

“Women don’t even recognize certain forms of sexual violence… they think it’s their role to have sex with their husband even if it’s coercive. They don’t even recognize the concept of marital rape,” said Priya Nanda of the International Center for Research on Women, a research organization that carried out field research among 9,205 men and 3,158 women in the age group 18 to 49 across seven Indian states at the end of 2012 in collaboration with the United Nations Population Fund.

Marital rape is not prohibited under Indian law, despite campaigns by women’s groups to include it in legal reforms passed in 2013.

“The men who report that they have committed sexual violence break down and express guilt, but very often, they are products of violence and extreme social inequities themselves,” said Ms. Nanda. “We’re not excusing men for raping women, but it’s important to recognize the awful experiences they’ve been through,” she added.

The main reason that women don’t report violence is the social stigma attached to doing so, said Ms. Nanda. Her study, published in November, found that, on average, 31% of women reported experiencing violence at the hands of an intimate partner and 34% of men reported committing it in the last year.

The highest levels of reporting for both men and women were recorded in Orissa in eastern India.

In Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh and Maharashtra, men were more likely to report carrying out violence against a partner than women were to report being abused, but in Orissa, Punjab, Haryana and Rajasthan, the opposite was the case.

The study also found that men who had witnessed violence or discrimination against their sisters or mothers in their childhood internalize this and in some cases adopt “rigidly masculine” behaviors, including a preference for male children and tendency to carry out violence against an intimate partner. In Madhya Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Maharashtra and Orissa, the proportion of rigidly masculine men is higher amongst those who witnessed discrimination as children, but in Punjab and Haryana the opposite is true.

Men’s ideas about masculinity need to be understood and reformed in order to change the traditional gender norms that lead to patriarchy and male dominance over women, according to the authors of the study. Men can have an influence on gender equality, said Ms. Nanda.

To challenge societal ideas of masculinity, the ICRW has started a program called Gender Equality Movement in Schools for children between the ages of 12 and 14. The GEMS curriculum, implemented in 250 schools in Mumbai, challenges ideas about societal roles of men and women and teaches boys why they should treat girls with respect, said Ms. Nanda.

“From the earliest age, boys get cues that if they cry they are sissies, not manly enough,” said Ms. Nanda, adding that the schools where the program has been implemented have reported more gender equitable relations between pupils.

“There is just not enough being done to change the thinking, attitudes and behaviors of men,” said Ms. Nanda, whose study finds that attempts to address gender equality and the preference for male children have tended to focus on women, but most often, men are the ones who influence women’s decisions and actions.

Programs such as GEMS are part of a concerted effort international nonprofits are making to engage men in the conversation about violence against women. “We are working with all men, including those who are the perpetrators of violence, to ensure that boys and men understand what gender equality and gender relations means,” said Babatunde Osotimehin, the executive director of the UNFPA.

The UNFPA also works with the police to ensure that they take reports of violence seriously, said Mr. Osotimehin. At monthly meetings the Delhi Police Commissioner organizes for the city’s police force, the UNFPA provides voluntary guidelines on how to improve gender-sensitivity training of police officers and safety for women in public places, he added.

Over a year since the brutal gang rape of a 23-year-old student on a moving bus in Delhi, the numbers reporting violence have increased. In Delhi, for example, 1,493 rapes were reported to police in the first 11 months of last year,more than double the number reported in the same period of 2012. Complaints of sexual harassment and other crimes against women have also risen sharply.

“In India, the cultural context prevents people from coming forward. But what has happened [in Dec. 2012] has really encouraged more people to begin to think about reporting violence against women,” said Mr. Osotimehin.

Follow Shanoor and India Real Time on Twitter @shanoorseervai and @WSJIndia.
 
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I don't know too much about what the on-the-ground situation is like in India, I only visit once a year.

If you mean inter-caste love marriages, I don't believe it is too much of a problem any more. But I have seen newspapers with matrimonial ads that ask for a specific caste. Is that a problem, maybe, is it a crippling problem, hardly.

A few months ago, some Indian forumers also said that inter-caste marriages is no more problem, but I found plenty of evidence with a few clicks that even Indians living outside India still have to struggle with this issue. And these oversea Indians are mostly coming from an educated and urban background, now imagine that the majority in India are still rural and not highly educated or have much clue about what modernity means.

We also read plenty of articles where the relatives killed the young couple because of different caste. You couldn't get more crass than murder, can you?
 
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A few months ago, some Indian forumers also said that inter-caste marriages is no more problem, but I found plenty of evidence with a few clicks that even Indians living outside India still have to struggle with this issue. And these oversea Indians are mostly coming from an educated and urban background, now imagine that the majority in India are still rural and not highly educated or have much clue about what modernity means.

We also read plenty of articles where the relatives killed the young couple because of different caste. You couldn't get more crass than murder, can you?

Could you link me to the mentioned cases.
 
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