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India gets wary of Obama

China , Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Pakistan... US president Barack Obama ran through the gamut of nations as he articulated another elegant Asia policy speech in Tokyo this week. Conspicuous by its absence was India. Was India not on his radar? Or was it such a close ally that he skipped naming it at a public function? It left New Delhi wondering. Just two days later, bam! He did something even more astonishing by acquiescing in a Chinese demand to let Beijing assume the role of a monitor in South Asia, an area where China is seen by India as part of the problem, not the solution.

As Manmohan Singh heads to Washington this weekend for a state visit with Obama, capping a week of US-Asia engagement, it is becoming increasingly obvious that something is amiss in Indo-US relations . Somewhere, it would appear, the growing mutual faith, fostered by the much-maligned George Bush Jr and Manmohan Singh, seems to be chipping at the edges. The meeting in Washington could make the growing edginess apparent. There will, no doubt, be an accumulation of many small ideas - agriculture , education, technology, climate change, business , counter-terrorism , and so on - which would be cemented by the good personal chemistry between Manmohan Singh and Obama at the summit. But would it all add to the big picture that was emerging between the two biggest democracies of the world?

What is this "big picture" ? The Americans have articulated it thus. In March 2005, the Bush administration's advisor, Philip Zelikow, defined its new policy on South Asia, saying: "( The US' ) goal is to help India become a major world power in the 21st century. We understand fully the implications, including military implications of this statement." Former US ambassador to India, Robert Blackwill recently elaborated on it, "Bush based his transformation of US-India relations on the core strategic principle of democratic India as a key factor in balancing the rise of Chinese power. This was not based on the concept of containing China. Rather, it centered on the idea that the US and India had enormous equities in promoting responsible international policies on the part of China and that deep US-India bilateral cooperation in that respect was in the vital national interests of both countries."

In other words, the US was beginning to see India as a key player in Asia, at par with China; in fact, possibly as a democratic counterweight to an overtly ambitious China. Indo-US relations started on this new path which culminated with the nuclear deal. That was expected to have been the beginning of the game-changing experience. Somewhere it seems the Obama administration doesn't have, or haven't yet developed, a taste for the experience. It's not yet able to see the next stage of the transformation. For, the big picture is ultimately about transforming institutions and mindsets of the administration of the two countries. William Cohen, former US defence secretary, doesn't quite agree. He told Crest: "I think President Obama has a big picture on India, for he decided months ago to host PM Singh for the first official state visit of his presidency. It is well understood in policy circles in Washington, but perhaps not expressed clearly or often enough, that India continues to play a critical role in the stability of South Asia. President Obama is trying to develop relationships on a broad base to promote stability and peace in the world."

Cohen's optimism isn't shared by Ashley Tellis, senior fellow at Carnegie Endowment. Says Tellis: "The Obama administration is not thinking in geopolitical terms." Adds an Indian official: "This administration is taking a regime-centred approach to international politics. That is a structural flaw." As a matter of fact, New Delhi is still to get a handle on the Obama administration's strategic priorities where India is concerned. Says a top Indian official: "We understand America's tactical compulsions. What we don't understand is what is its big strategy."

Some analysts say that it's still early to expect a clear strategic direction from the Obama regime. For one thing, it's still only Obama's first year in office (it took Bush and Bill Clinton four years to start a meaningful engagement with India). For another, Obama was thrown into the deep end with the financial crisis, Iraq and then the war in Afghanistan forcing him to take up the urgent before the important. So, it would be silly to get impatient, say the analysts , while pointing out that Obama will be in India before another year is out, which too will be a first for a US President. It was also possible, they say, the structural imbalances between the US and China - caused by the financial crisis - is forcing Obama to be more pliant than he would have been otherwise.

So, as Obama feels his way, could New Delhi stepped into the breach? Yes, perhaps, but India's foreign policy has been traditionally passive, and reaction-oriented . What has possibly caused greater inertia in South Block is that, at the officials' level, there is still apprehensions about being seen as a US partner. This is a far cry from the almost lusty way in which Indian and US civil society rush to engage - through business, education, and every other 21st century attribute . The contrast only reinforces the need to change the mindset of officialdom. Unless changed, small things can become big irritants. This used to be the case in the Clinton years, because there was no big idea behind the relationship. The pattern is again becoming similar.

When Obama said that a resolution of the Kashmir problem was key to sorting out the mess in Afghanistan, it set Indian hackles up. Likewise, when Stanley McCrystal stated in his review that Indian activity in Afghanistan was raising concerns in Pakistan , India got deeply upset, without really engaging with the Americans on this front. In fact, in all these months, only former foreign secretary Shiv Shankar Menon has made the effort to intensively engage with the Obama administration and give them an understanding of Indian strategic thought. With the US-China joint statement this week, New Delhi is bristling yet again in the belief that Obama is giving China a free rein at a time when India-China ties are particularly low.

All of this has made Indo-US relations once again a-rhythmic . The two countries are rarely moving in pace, and often botching up things in areas where they had developed an understanding. On Afghanistan, for instance, American and Indian policies are running largely parallel to each other. India is one of the largest stakeholders in Afghanistan after the US, and yet there is no coordination between the two, largely because Washington is still too busy trying to keep the Pakistan generals in humour by giving them all kinds of sops. India feels, as a result, jihadis are virtually running the show in the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area. But no one is still taking the initiative to make Washington see reason.

China is more complicated than Pakistan or Afghanistan. As it happens, this is China's moment , and both India and the US concede as much. However, what is worrying folks here is whether Obama's Asia tour, especially his statement in China, indicates his desire to wind down the American super-power status in the region . If that were so, China will move to fill in the vacuum not because it's pushy and aggressive but because US would be ceding far too much ground. The alarm at this possibility was in evidence this week as Obama travelled through China.

Many felt Obama went to China "as a profligate spender going to see his banker." And China never let him forget it. Not only were his public events censored, he was the first US president in a while not to get a live broadcast in China. Also the Chinese managed to get a joint statement out of a US president after failing to do so for eight years with George Bush.

The new US thinking on China is to try and persuade China to sit hard on Pakistan regarding its support to terrorists and Al Qaeda. But this thinking, according to Indian strategists, is flawed because it's not in Chinese interest to make Pakistan "behave" with India. The strategy could end up as a repeat of the North Korean experience . Said a senior official, "China believes it has India pinned by Pakistan and its jihadi antics the same way it believes it has Japan pinned with North Korea and its nuclear antics." China, therefore has little reason to help clean up Pakistan.

The world around India is not looking good. And with the US otherwise occupied, there could be a dangerous drift in Indo-US relations . The instinctive official Indian response is that this is the time to batten down the hatches. Says a high-level policy maker: "Keep your head down. Let us consolidate the gains we have made with the US over the past few years." These would be incremental gains for India in development and economic areas, security and defence. It would seem Obama thinks along these lines. As he had said: "Our rapidly growing and deepening friendship with India offers benefits to all the world's citizens as our scientists solve environmental challenges together , our doctors discover new medicines , our engineers advance our societies , our entrepreneurs generate prosperity , our educators lay the foundation for our future generations, and our governments work together to advance peace, prosperity, and stability."

But strategists don't think that biding the time is a bright idea. K Subrahmanyan , one of India's top strategic thinkers, said this is the time for India to take the lead in the relationship. According to him, Obama changed the rules of the game in China, when he said conflict was no longer possible, but competition was. India, he believes should step into the breach, and offer to partner US in innovations, technology , and other areas, to redefine the global race once more. He insists that Obama finds the thought of China being US' banker disagreeable. India should now reach out and partner the US to wean it off that dependency. Tellis says that Obama should take the initiative and support India at the UN Security Council , bring it into the global non-proliferation regime, so by time US convenes its nuclear security summit in 2010, India is there as leader of the disarmament ideal.

Suggestions are many and they often come easier than it is possible to act on them. Still, it would seem that unless India takes the lead in Indo-US ties, it will continue to be wary of Obama. And from there, a return to distrust in bilateral relationship is not such a big step away.
 
Hu and Obama seal real deals

By Francesco Sisci

BEIJING - Both wore red ties, dark suits, and white shirts. While Chinese President Hu Jintao focused coolly on the audience, as if with no one in mind, United States President Barack Obama tilted his head to one side, watching his counterpart seemingly with warmth and attention.

So, with contrasting personal styles but almost identical apparel, on Tuesday the heads of the two nations announced, if not a wedding, then at least an engagement. Behind them lay a nine-page joint statement full of principled pledges yet devoid of specific actions.

This was the theoretical engagement that the Chinese had wanted, one that encompassed a long-term, strategic relationship. The engagement is much more important for the
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Hu and Obama seal real deals
By Francesco Sisci

BEIJING - Both wore red ties, dark suits, and white shirts. While Chinese President Hu Jintao focused coolly on the audience, as if with no one in mind, United States President Barack Obama tilted his head to one side, watching his counterpart seemingly with warmth and attention.

So, with contrasting personal styles but almost identical apparel, on Tuesday the heads of the two nations announced, if not a wedding, then at least an engagement. Behind them lay a nine-page joint statement full of principled pledges yet devoid of specific actions.

This was the theoretical engagement that the Chinese had wanted, one that encompassed a long-term, strategic relationship. The engagement is much more important for the Chinese than any single business deal or any convergent short-term tactics.

In the document, Beijing did not obtain the "strategic partnership" (almost an alliance) that it seeks with the US, but it did earn "strategic bilateral trust". This may shroud US intentions, since it is now clear that that the US welcomes a strong and prosperous China. For Beijing, the "strategic bilateral trust" is a guarantee that the US will not try to stop China's economic and political growth by internal subversive actions or external containment.

In return for this, China recognizes US geopolitical interests in Asia, since it acknowledges the US as an Asia-Pacific power. This, in turn, means that China could be ready to support or even help American interventions in the region. This could be very important in the future, especially given the ongoing economic and political decline of Japan as a regional power.

The framework is similar to those agreed upon between the US and China with Mao Zedong and then Deng Xiaoping in the 1970s. Back then, China agreed to cooperate with America in anti-Soviet containment, and in return Washington encouraged Western investment flow to China, which first triggered and then fueled China's economic and political growth over the next few decades.

This time, the US promised cooperation in the fields of aerospace, aviation, and environmental technology - all fields with potential dual-use technology. In other words, Washington is preparing to lift (or is actually lifting) the arms embargo imposed on China after the Tiananmen crackdown in 1989. The export of such technologies to China could begin a new expansive phase for American industries that in time may pull the US out of the present recession, along the lines David Goldman and I suggested exactly one year ago (see US's road to recovery runs through Beijing, Asia Times Online, November 15, 2008).

Strategically, the US's theoretical pledges have apparently led China to make overtures on two burning issues for Washington - Iran and Afghanistan.

On Iran, Hu said for the first time very openly that China is opposed to Tehran's nuclear proliferation. This could unlock the door to new pressure being exerted on Tehran by Beijing behind the scenes. Yet the contours of this action are still unclear. A bit clearer is what China vows to do in Afghanistan, where Americans are bogged down in an extremely difficult war.

Beijing has committed itself to "anti-terrorist actions" in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Chinese Deputy Foreign Minister He Yafei said in a press conference that Beijing did not want to explain the details of this commitment, but other sources claim that the two sides so far did not speak of Chinese troops in Afghanistan but are working on intelligence cooperation. This cooperation may have already been approved by Pakistan.

In Afghanistan, the Chinese first want a political agreement between the various players in the local puzzle before even talking about military intervention. Accordingly, the crucial problem is to ensure the various tribal groups have economic resources besides opium, which is now their main source of income.

It is necessary to take into account the dynamics and rivalries of the various tribes. The problem of the Taliban's core of anti-Western extremists - those dedicated to terror - could be limited. The hardcore militants, according to some estimates, may number as few as 6,000 to 7,000. But there are 11 million Afghans fed up with foreigners on their land, and they could turn their weapons for or against Kabul.

If cooperation between the US and China on Afghanistan worked, this could actually lead to the withdrawal of US troops from the country.

Now, as in the 1970s, a victim of the new entente cordiale is "human rights". On this issue, the joint statement said that human rights should be addressed through dialogue, but it acknowledged historical differences, as the two countries reciprocally recognize their "core interests".

This means that human rights will not be used anymore as a political cudgel to beat Beijing on the head every time that it is convenient - and what's more, not to do so in public. Since this is a major appeasement for China, Beijing will have to reciprocate.

The many declarations of principles in the joint statement betray a joint "Chinese" approach taken by both countries. In public, you have agreements in principle. In private, behind the scenes, you pursue concrete deals, keeping negotiations flexible to save face.

Francesco Sisci is the Asia Editor of La Stampa.
 
Well every country will try and look after its own national interests. So much for the misplaced myth of the Indo-US alliance which some Indians and many Pakistanis like to believe. As long Indian and US interests line up, they will co-operate and anti-terrorism is on of them.

I don't this is any good for Pakistan in the long term either. Despite what many Pakistanis like to believe, China was Pakistan's all weather friend as a counter to the US as well as India which it considers a US ally.

If China doesn't feel that need, why support Pakistan in a narrow alliance instead of benefiting with cooperation with US?
 
I don't this is any good for Pakistan in the long term either. Despite what many Pakistanis like to believe, China was Pakistan's all weather friend as a counter to the US as well as India which it considers a US ally.

If China doesn't feel that need, why support Pakistan in a narrow alliance instead of benefiting with cooperation with US?

Indian bothers, although our chinese respect every nation, why do you know chinese can't help dislike you?

1, your blindness

you pretend you know everything and argue with your big mouth on behalf of other nation.

we don't care your alliance with whichever other country. but stop underestimating our relationship with our brother pakistani. sometimes friendship and belief is much more important than interest.

you are not chinese, you don't know our feelings with our brothers although now he is not strong. But however weak pakistani is,he is your brother;however strong the others are, they are just other nations for us.

2,your arrogance

In china, you can seldom find a chinese thread which glorify ourself.In most of chinese forum, we just find our shortages with other countries and push our government to strengthen them. even if there is a thread to show the achievement there will be a lot of voice to remind our people to work hard to further develpment.

For india, the truth is you have a good beginning but still a long way to catch up with the world. pls keep quiet and work hard. if india become a superpower tommorrow, congratulaitons! but before it comes true, pls don't act as a stupid as if you are already superpower which has been estimated by all other nations!:pakistan::china:
 
India concerned over 'perceived missteps' of Obama admn: Daily

The Obama administration's "perceived missteps", including a reference to Indo-Pak ties in a Sino-US joint statement, have triggered concerns among Indian officials that the country has been suddenly relegated to the second tier of the America-Asian relationship, a media report claimed in Washington on Saturday.

Ahead of Prime Minister Manhohan Singh's four-day state visit here beginning tomorrow, The Washington Post reported citing unnamed Indian officials and analysts that statements by the US administration during the Asia trip of the Obama, which ended this week, have raised concerns that the America is leaning too closely to China.

The paper referred to two "perceived missteps" by the administration.

First Obama's speech in Tokyo on America's relationship with Asia had no mention of India; even though subsequently his top Administration officials have been trying to make amends by repeatedly saying that India and China are two major powers in Asia, the report noted.

What has more concerned Indian officials, it said, is the joint US-China statement which gives a sense that Obama "appeared to open the door for Beijing to act as a mediator of sorts" in ties between India and Pakistan.

China and the US, the statement had said, "are ready to strengthen communication, dialogue and cooperation on issues related to South Asia and work together to promote peace, stability and development in that region."

India has ruled out any third party role in Indo-Pak relationship.

Ashley Tellis, a former State Department official now at the Carnegie Endowment, was quoted as saying by the newspaper that he had detected in India "a sense of exclusion that's been gnawing at them since the Tokyo speech."

Tellis was quoted as saying that the Sino-US joint statement prompted new fears that somehow the US and China would collude to manage events in South Asia.

He claimed that this has caused particular neuralgia in India. In addition, Indians are concerned that the Obama administration, unlike the previous Bush regime, views it as "part of the South Asian problem," which includes the war in Afghanistan and instability in Pakistan.

"The froth and boil of the moment notwithstanding, the US-India relationship that I know is a totally transformed creature," Frank Wisner, US ambassador to India from 1994 to 1997, was quoted as saying by the newspaper.
 
Indian bothers, although our chinese respect every nation, why do you know chinese can't help dislike you?

1, your blindness

you pretend you know everything and argue with your big mouth on behalf of other nation.

we don't care your alliance with whichever other country. but stop underestimating our relationship with our brother pakistani. sometimes friendship and belief is much more important than interest.

you are not chinese, you don't know our feelings with our brothers although now he is not strong. But however weak pakistani is,he is your brother;however strong the others are, they are just other nations for us.

2,your arrogance

In china, you can seldom find a chinese thread which glorify ourself.In most of chinese forum, we just find our shortages with other countries and push our government to strengthen them. even if there is a thread to show the achievement there will be a lot of voice to remind our people to work hard to further develpment.

For india, the truth is you have a good beginning but still a long way to catch up with the world. pls keep quiet and work hard. if india become a superpower tommorrow, congratulaitons! but before it comes true, pls don't act as a stupid as if you are already superpower which has been estimated by all other nations!:pakistan::china:


Dear Chinese Brother,It s an Indian tradition to respect even our adversery..So iam calling u a brother...
Plz dont speak abt chinese mentality to us...we care less abt ur alliances with any country..we only ask u not to support their terrorist activities,...and do not justify their actions....

U say no chinese likes us...I hardly believe that..U dont speak for chinese ppl..
because there r lots of chinese frenz who actually say they like having indian frenz more than any other nationality,...
so cut the racist abuse...
U say that we argue on behalf of every other nation..yes we do...and we will do..where there is injustice, we will talk...unlike u chinese who sit and let genocide and massacres take place in your so called friendly countries because for u if they give u what u want ,u will turn a blind eye...thats expected from u..coz ur own country is like that..

U r true friends are pakistan,north korea and somalia...guess y they r friendly...coz in international forums when they r questioned...u use ur economic clout to save their sorry ****...leaving these three no country likes u...the only reason other countries want to have relations with u is because u have the moolah....so dont lecture us abt popularity...No americans,japanese or south koreans like u...to tell the truth u will find more friends in india than any of the other countries...

P.S : i believe u r some pakistani with chinese flag..because ur ranting is similar to some of the rants fed in the pakistani newspapers,....
 
India is just trying to get attention.

Care to elaborate what you mean?? Out long term stand is that kashmir is a bilateral issue and Obama who is seen to be the one who will take Indo-US relations to next level suggested a possible interference by Chinese(later back-tracked by US and China to pacify india) which india vehemently opposed and you see it as attention seeker???
 
Care to elaborate what you mean?? Out long term stand is that kashmir is a bilateral issue and Obama who is seen to be the one who will take Indo-US relations to next level suggested a possible interference by Chinese(later back-tracked by US and China to pacify india) which india vehemently opposed and you see it as attention seeker???

I think India is making noises to get some concessions from Washington.

It is the age old game of bazaar haggling...
 
I think India is making noises to get some concessions from Washington.

It is the age old game of bazaar haggling...

What concessions will US give to India ?
can you elaborate it?
It is US who came with the Nuclear deal with India to get a strategic ally, not India who initiated it.
:cheers:
 
#7 : India is just trying to get attention.
Mate, from your flag you seems to be an Australian. Your Govt. does not want to sell Uranium to India; we have no issue. We have Russia, France, Canada and other countries.

# 9 :I think India is making noises to get some concessions from Washington.

It is the age old game of bazaar haggling...

We got what we want from USA. That is NSG waiver. Now it is up to US and its companies whether they want to do business with India or not. If US do not wish to sell its defense equipment to India fine; we can procure them from Russia, France, Germany, Italy etc.

India will never do anything that will hurt its national interest. Be it signing NPT, CTBT or singing on legally binding emission cuts or trade negotiation on WTO.

Regarding Kashmir many US president had said many things about Kashmir in the past. Who cares what Obama said on Kashmir. Gone are the days of US dictatorship .

Regarding China, it will never play any constructive role in solving Kashmir problem.
 
Now this is just music to my ears. Not too long ago many indians were excited at the prospect of having Obama as president for the sole reason that Obama said that he may attack Pakistan. Now he has taken a 180 degree turn and has bluffed those people and indians in general, who are now complaining. :rofl::rofl:

India: They still have to work so hard to get attention despite having 1/6 of world's population.
 
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Dear Chinese Brother,It s an Indian tradition to respect even our adversery..So iam calling u a brother...
Plz dont speak abt chinese mentality to us...we care less abt ur alliances with any country..we only ask u not to support their terrorist activities,...and do not justify their actions....

U say no chinese likes us...I hardly believe that..U dont speak for chinese ppl..
because there r lots of chinese frenz who actually say they like having indian frenz more than any other nationality,...
so cut the racist abuse...
U say that we argue on behalf of every other nation..yes we do...and we will do..where there is injustice, we will talk...unlike u chinese who sit and let genocide and massacres take place in your so called friendly countries because for u if they give u what u want ,u will turn a blind eye...thats expected from u..coz ur own country is like that..

U r true friends are pakistan,north korea and somalia...guess y they r friendly...coz in international forums when they r questioned...u use ur economic clout to save their sorry ****...leaving these three no country likes u...the only reason other countries want to have relations with u is because u have the moolah....so dont lecture us abt popularity...No americans,japanese or south koreans like u...to tell the truth u will find more friends in india than any of the other countries...

P.S : i believe u r some pakistani with chinese flag..because ur ranting is similar to some of the rants fed in the pakistani newspapers,....

Well he's right, 90% of the Chinese population wants war with India right now, unfortunately. I can't back this up with a single link, because this is just something you have to experience once you go into China itself. This is the current mood. As for hating the Indians, we know there are a lot of nice ones out there, for it is the stereotypes who we're against and the mood they carry. This, I can assure, we speak on behalf of the population.
 
Mate, from your flag you seems to be an Australian. Your Govt. does not want to sell Uranium to India; we have no issue. We have Russia, France, Canada and other countries.



We got what we want from USA. That is NSG waiver. Now it is up to US and its companies whether they want to do business with India or not. If US do not wish to sell its defense equipment to India fine; we can procure them from Russia, France, Germany, Italy etc.

India will never do anything that will hurt its national interest. Be it signing NPT, CTBT or singing on legally binding emission cuts or trade negotiation on WTO.

Regarding Kashmir many US president had said many things about Kashmir in the past. Who cares what Obama said on Kashmir. Gone are the days of US dictatorship .

Regarding China, it will never play any constructive role in solving Kashmir problem.

First of all, although I'm not a big fan of Aussies, no offence XDrive, but I believe the overall mood in Oceania itself isn't too friendly with India. Secondly, on what basis does your relationship with the Euro powers and Russia exist on? Weapons deal? You give them the money, they supply your the arms. They rip you off, you're happy, they're happy. You're all friends in the end? Is that how it works? Russia, from the beginning to now, could not be and still cannot be ever trusted. Look back at their history during the Cold War and you'll understand what I'm talking about. The best approach with them, is, to piss them off, buy their equipment, and brand it as your own. That's the best way to ditch the Mother Russians before they dump you.
 
Now this is just music to my ears. Not too long ago many indians were excited at the prospect of having Obama as president for the sole reason that Obama said that he may attack Pakistan. Now he has taken a 180 degree turn and has bluffed those people and indians in general, who are now complaining. :rofl::rofl:

India: The world's top attention-whore. They still have to work so hard to get attention despite having 1/6 of world's population.

Great, enjoy the music. :cheers:
I don’t think US has stopped Drone attacks inside Pakistan. Please do correct me if I am wrong. Could you elaborate what 180 degree turn does Obama has taken? Have he offered Pakistan a similar nuclear deal like India?
 

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