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Guyz. These trains are only on trials nowadays. So the regularity isnt there. Otherwise every rake is cleaned before leaving for run. These bird poops happen when the train is standing in open. Otherwise, metros come into opening only in running position.

Dont judge before the official launch.
 
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Sorry I don't see any. These trains are actually cleaned thoroughly at least once a week if memory serves me correctly.
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zoom in bro. its a total mess.

Its good if they clean it on regular basis :tup::tup::tup:
 
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Time to bite the bullet | Business Standard

Time to bite the bullet

While the enormous sum required to fund a high-speed rail transport system is a deterrent, India can learn from examples abroad

The dream of a 'diamond quadrilateral' promised by the Bharatiya Janata Party in its election manifesto ...

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Cosider it a done deal.

Japan, Germany, France and even China are frothing at the mouth to hijack IR.
IR mgmt., ministers etc. are 100% in cahoots for foreign funded hi-fi projects. India is a big 0 in high-speed rail stuff. India should have been the pioneer in this tech. IR is not even upto 1/2 the speed, ~ 250 km.'s of bullet trains. Everything will be foisted on India through forced imports. They will even say that basic steel, concrete, sand and stones are sub-standard and don't worry, we will export our best quality sand, stones, cement, steel to you if you say please and thank-you. At India's cost.

BJP should modify the high-speed idea to freight movement to genuinely unite the country.
And build up a river transport network. Even better, an over-the-top rail-river-road-sea transport system so coal from Bengal, Orissa or Indonesia or cotton from Andhra and Gujarat is barged upriver or coastal shipped around to convert to electricity to wheel into the populated Ganges plains or blue jeans for export.

Meanwhile, mid-size, commuter aeroplanes do the job just fine re: high speed connectivity around India.
  • Mum.-Del.-Kol.-Chennai-Beng.-Hyderabad are best served by communter airlines.
    India must focus and fast-track it's small and mid-size commuter aeroplane manufacturing.
For the same price, Indians prefer flying to rail travel. Indians have no fear of flying. Vimana's are part of the Indian narrative. Inversely, the added glamour and thrill of flight is exciting for Indians.

Sadly, IR is heavily politicised. High-speed rail biz.'s in over-the-top rich, high speed rail originating funding countries is also 100 % politics. Therefore, there's no shortage of foreign funds for high speed rail for India, or any other mega project. India has demand, unlike the rest of the world and can afford to serve the long term debt with responsible ... hehe ... monthly EMI's.

A responsible minister must take the stand to shelve high speed rail, never mind the foreign funds and sops, to avoid cannibalising the newly establised airline industry. Rather, they should unite the upcoming digital economy (think e-commerce and India) by putting in place a top-of-the-line rail-river-coastal shipping freight network along with national GST, creating a mega united economy.

Strong leadership is needed for that. Not likely to happen even with BJP.
 
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Not likely to happen under BJP?

What is ur definition of Strong Leadership? I wud like to know ur analysis.
 
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Strong = Public good!

India is on a infra.-infra-infra. buzz. Big biz. Global mega funds are lining up to fund India.
She's the last, mega industrial economy and like Modi says, it's got giant "demand-demography-democracy" dynamics.
Aging EU, Japan, Sing. Korea and over-the-top $ petro Gulf states got sand kicked in their face re: their western investments.
So politicians of any colour avoid basics like primary education, drinking water, hygiene and sanitation, health care and old age care but are all gung ho about digging up India with mega this and super that.

Plus India has a reputation of fiscally responsible behaviour. India has a history of paying up it's debt. Today's India can easily soak up giant financing while the world out there is building highways, bridges, HSR's, maglev's and island cities to nowhere. Dubai, after the meltdown, is as affordable as 'poor' India's South Delhi or South Bombay 'hoods. Many tony Chennai, Kolkata, Bangalore, Hyd. or Pune 'hoods are appreciating in value more than Dubai or Singapore.

Modi's gonna modify India sure. I'd like focus on high speed net too, maybe more can log in to our page ;) !
 
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Strong = Public good!

India is on a infra.-infra-infra. buzz. Big biz. Global mega funds are lining up to fund India.
She's the last, mega industrial economy and like Modi says, it's got giant "demand-demography-democracy" dynamics.
Aging EU, Japan, Sing. Korea and over-the-top $ petro Gulf states got sand kicked in their face re: their western investments.
So politicians of any colour avoid basics like primary education, drinking water, hygiene and sanitation, health care and old age care but are all gung ho about digging up India with mega this and super that.

Plus India has a reputation of fiscally responsible behaviour. India has a history of paying up it's debt. Today's India can easily soak up giant financing while the world out there is building highways, bridges, HSR's, maglev's and island cities to nowhere. Dubai, after the meltdown, is as affordable as 'poor' India's South Delhi or South Bombay 'hoods. Many tony Chennai, Kolkata, Bangalore, Hyd. or Pune 'hoods are appreciating in value more than Dubai or Singapore.

Modi's gonna modify India sure. I'd like focus on high speed net too, maybe more can log in to our page ;) !
Still not answered da question. Why did u say,'not gonna happen even under BJP'?
 
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WTF . . look at the roof top . . . already covered with dust and bird poop

Sorry I don't see any. These trains are actually cleaned thoroughly at least once a week if memory serves me correctly.
As @WAR-rior says these are just trail turns.


For actual services these trains will be cleaned throughly inside and out DAILY.


See 2.55:



This is the Delhi Metro but the same practices will be in place for Mumbai Metro too.


Biggest shame is those damn trains, they look so damn cheap and dull for the finical capital of India. A shame Reliance went for the cheapest possible option from China, by far the worst looking metro trains in all of India. Just look at the Chennai metro's trains, if only these could have been for Mumbai.....

Hopefully when the network is expand and the Mumbai Metro places orders for more trains it won't be from China.
 
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Still ... Why did u say,'not gonna happen even under BJP'?

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Hint: Tata's put new builder, bean-counter CA boss. Tata's are backing Modi.

So Modi is all about high speed rail, river linking this, roads, BJP # 2 Nitin Gadkari is flyover king of India.

Patronage is still a great way in politics. What this tells me is they are gonna dig India up, big time. Nothing wrong with that, my full support; but there's' a need to focus on the immediate water, sanitation, healthcare etc. too which may be lost in the huddle.

Meanwhile:

Only in India, users are actively seeking a fare hike on Calcutta Metro, it's too cheap ;) .

Kolkata Metro Documentaryby Lok Sabha TV - YouTube

Phenomenal Delhi Metro
  1. Phase 1- $ 2.5 B for 65 km @ 58 stations
  2. Phase 2 - $ 4.4 B for 124.6 km @ 85 stations
  3. Phase 3 - $ 5.8 B for 103 km @ ** stations + 2 new lines
  4. Phase 4 - $ ? B for 113.2 km @ ** stations
Delhi Metro's 65 kms Phase-I was rated "excellent" by the project's funding agency JICA, Japan. Fiscal mgmt. only improved since and finance is now a non issue.By 2020, metro will be a short walk for majority of public, the 2'nd largest network Globally :woot: !
Delhi Metro pre-paid loans and interest before due time and surprise-of-surprise, is a profitable making enterprise!

India is Poor is Well Advertised, See How Rich Govt.-of-India Actually Is

Deterioration of Indian Economy during UPA regime - Dr Subramanian Swamy - YouTube

@ 22 onwards, talk is about
  • Pak. Rs. 22 Lakh Cr.'s (~ US $ 361 Billion) re: coal block auction.
  • Pak. Rs. 48 Lakh Cr.'s (~ US $ 750 Billion) re: oil/gas block auction.
 
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Time to bite the bullet | Business Standard

Time to bite the bullet

While the enormous sum required to fund a high-speed rail transport system is a deterrent, India can learn from examples abroad

The dream of a 'diamond quadrilateral' promised by the Bharatiya Janata Party in its election manifesto to connect leading cities of India through a high-speed rail network sounds like a dream come true, except for the fact that it is not a new idea, but one that has proved elusive for many years.
It was 43 years ago that the then Railway Board chairman, B C Ganguly, envisioned a train service running at over 170 kmph. He also conceived it to be incrementally increased by 5 kmph every year. This was just seven years after the first ever high-speed train was started in Japan in 1964.
Given that Indian Railways adds just an average 220 km each year to the rail network (compared to the over 1,000 km in China), it would be cynical to think of superfast trains running at over 200 kmph and up to 350 kmph. With mixed traffic using the same tracks, the average commercial speed for long distance trains currently is 70-80 kmph, while freight runs at an abysmal 25 kmph. Also consider the fact that a simpler task like converting hygiene facilities in all passenger trains to bio-toilets will take the Railways more than five years. Speedier trains have another hurdle to contend with: in the past three years, Indian Railways has registered over 700 deaths at unmanned level crossings and an alarming increase in incidents of fire on trains. A high-level safety committee has argued that any further addition of new trains to the existing network will be detrimental to the safety of passengers.
Yet, as one senior Railways official puts it, "The question is not whether we should have high-speed trains, but rather what we are losing each year in their absence." So, here is some good news. In the coming 2-3 months, the speed on the Delhi-Agra route will be increased to 150-160 kmph. Two other key routes - Delhi-Chandigarh and Delhi-Kanpur - have also been identified for this experiment, a process similarly adopted by countries like France and Germany before they took to high-speed rail transport, according to J P Batra, former chairman of the Railway Board.
But cost, feasibility and integrated planning continue to hobble the aspirations of a bullet train system in India, and the success of such an enterprise will largely depend on the willingness of the incoming government to pump in more funds or look for alternative funding avenues for the gigantic project.
Funding has been a key roadblock. The estimated cost of a route identified and currently under feasibility studies supported by Japan, the Mumbai-Ahmedabad line, is about Rs 100 crore per kilometre, with a total project cost of about Rs 37,000 crore. Add to this the price of land under the new Land Acquisition Act, and the cost goes up tremendously. The cost of this line alone would be close to the Railways annual revenue. A high-speed corridor requires new tracks to be laid out, wide arcs for turning, special metal for the tracks and signal-free corridors. The eventual saving in terms of time via high-speed trains could be mere hours.
Given the humongous sums involved, the global lesson from countries like China, Japan, France and Germany is that it is only through state or government funding that such infrastructure can be created. "Public private partnerships cannot be the way forward for high-speed rail," says Vishwas Udgirkar, senior director, Deloitte India. "We will have to look at more bilateral engagements - like soft loans from Japan, World Bank or some other avenue though the lenders can be part of the operations."
Speaking recently to Business Standard, Yoshiyuki Kasai, chairman of Central Japan Railway Company, said, "These are not the kind of projects in which private players would be much interested." He explained, "The system has to be operationally viable and consumers should be ready to pay for the services and it cannot run on subsidies." But he also disclosed that the construction of high-speed rail infrastructure and the Shinkansen bullet trains in Japan, which was done with the aid of a government loan, had proved profitable, enabling the repayment of all loans.
Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang was recently quoted by New York Times as saying that the country would invest $100 billion a year in its train system, especially on the high-speed network. This is after China already has the largest high-speed rail system in the world. Funding for this has come through the government, loans from state-owned banks and other financial institutions. The same model of funding has been followed by other countries with high-speed trains, like Japan and Germany, who started operations earlier than China.
Research on high-speed rail transport shows that a volume of 40,000 passengers per day is needed to justify the project costs. India is at an advantage here with a high density of population and low labour costs. And building high-speed train infrastructure need not necessarily be a loss-making enterprise. Japan registered profits three years after opening the Shinkansen network, while France recovered the investment costs within 12 years, according to a study done by the transport studies unit of the Oxford Centre for the Environment.
In line with the vision laid out in the 11th and 12th Five-Year Plans, the High Speed Rail Corporation of India was set up in 2013 as a subsidiary of the Rail Vikas Nigam Limited. It is headed by Satish Chandra Agnihotri. Railway Board Chairman Arunendra Kumar is also believed to be pushing for speed enhancement on the existing lines.
The current experiment to enhance the speed on existing tracks should not burden the Railways too much. "To increase the speed up to 160 kmph would not require any new procurement; the existing tracks can be used," says Agnihotri. But he agrees that anything beyond 200 kmph would require dedicated tracks, modern signalling and new coaches. "Above all, we need to have the support and cooperation of state and Central governments," he says. Of the 64,000 km of the extant Indian Railways network, 15-20 per cent is feasible for running trains up to 170 kmph.
A big argument often proferred is that a bullet train is not feasible for low-income countries like India. Indeed, India lags in per capita gross domestic product levels of the countries in the year they started their high-speed rail transport, France in 1981, Germany in 1991 and China in 2007. But Japan's system was developed under wider economic considerations and regional integration. For the first few years, the Japan Railways Group even permitted cross subsidies between the profitable and unprofitable routes, according to a study done by Institute of Transport Studies at the University of Leeds.
Following the global prudence of keeping fares affordable in the initial years, Indian Railways also plans to focus on reasonable fares, indigenisation of technology through technology transfer and the eventual local production of coaches and engines, and economies of scale. New industries for coaches and engines need to be set up and these will significantly bring the down the project cost, feels Agnihotri.

God! India is so depressing, why the hell everything moves with snail speed here? The damm babus don't realize that we don't have much time and "considering" projects for 2 years and then "planning" for 3 years and then implementing it for 10 years is not how India will become a superpower.
 
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God! India is so depressing, why the hell everything moves with snail speed here? The damm babus don't realize that we don't have much time and "considering" projects for 2 years and then "planning" for 3 years and then implementing it for 10 years is not how India will become a superpower.
Mistake is urs. It was u all who voted Congress to Power where a top economist is treated as a puupet and some waitress and her useless, qualificationless, resultless son is been made PM of this country.

Congress has always tried to keep ppl poor so that they can be scared in name of caste, creed n religion.

It was Vajpayee govt that with its swift policies cleared all development projects which the Congress encashed and looted ppl with so many scams.

We all r responsible. No point crying now
 
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Kolkata moving along then :woot: .


Nice to see trees not being chopped down. Rather, doing the metro over the tree line :smitten: !

The patronage party starts with development and no politician will put brakes to that, even mis-directed politicos.
In the context of developing India, hell the whole game is to jump in head first onto the development patronage bombastic bonanza band-wagon. Are you kidding me, the only reason a politician will knock development is because his patronage commission and other cuts are not lining up r8. Even Kolkata is moving on with new govt.
 
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