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India claiming Kashmir its part violation of UNSC resolution: FO

India claiming Kashmir its part violation of UNSC resolution: FO
July 27, 2016

By: Samaa Web Desk

ISLAMABAD: Foreign Office Wednesday said that India calling Kashmir as its essential part is a violation of United Nations Security Council’s (UNSC) resolutions.

Talking to state-run TV, FO spokesman Nafees Zakaria said Pakistan would always resist this notion at every legal and diplomatic forum.

The spokesman said Pakistan’s main concern was the human rights violation in Kashmir and regretted that the international community remained oblivious about the situation.

He emphasized that the recent wave of protest in Kashmir must not be taken as a fresh movement of resistance.

Rather, it is a freedom movement continuing since 1989 in which over 0.1 million (One hundred thousand) Kashmiris have lost their lives on the hands of Indian security forces.

He dismissed the idea of any external force behind Kashmiris’ resistance movement and termed it an internal drive of Kashmir’s younger generation against the atrocities of Indian security forces which they are suffering for the last 26 years.

“According to its policy, the government of Pakistan has always been registering its protest through their envoys at every legal and diplomatic forum,” he added.

He called upon the international community and media to support the Kashmir issue and play their respective roles in highlighting the ongoing atrocities in Indian-held Kashmir.

About prospects of foreign-secretary level dialogue between Pakistan and India, Zakaria said the resumption process had faced a delay due to ongoing situation in Kashmir.

He said the routine talks between the border security forces of Pakistan and India are not affected, however the Composite Dialogue process cannot be completed unless Kashmir issue is on the table. -APP


When Pakistan can unilaterally accede parts of the disputed territory to China (trans karakoram tract).

When Pakistan doesn't act according to the UN resolutions regarding pulling out troops from disputed territory of Kashmir.

When Pakistan can unilaterally try to change the geography of Kashmir and try to achieve it through military misadventures like "Operation Gibraltar, Operation Grand-slam and Kargil war.

Why should India alone is supposed to follow the UN resolution ???

First bring back the area that you had acceded to China back in 1963. When Kashmir is geographically the same shape as it was before August 1947, then talk about UN resolution and plebiscite.

Unless and until Pakistan doesn't satisfy the conditions of UN resolution as well as bring back Trans Karakoran tract, India should never accept any UN resolutions. Moreover no UN resolution regarding Kashmir is legally binding and no party involved has any obligation to follow that, it more like some guidelines for peaceful settlement. Pakistan FO should at-least have this basic knowledge. LOL :p:
 
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Another Day, Another Thread on Kashmir, And as usual clueless Indians blabbering on about things they know nothing about ......



Which Instrument of Accession ??

1) International law clearly states that every treaty entered into by a member of the United Nations must be registered with the Secretariat of the United Nations. "The Instrument of Accession" was neither presented to the United Nations nor to Pakistan. Hence India cannot invoke the treaty before any organ of the United Nations.


2) The legality of the Instrument of Accession may also be questioned on grounds that it was obtained under coercion. The International Court of Justice has stated that there "can be little doubt, as is implied in the Charter of the United Nations and recognized in Article 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that under contemporary international law an agreement concluded under the threat or use of force is void."..... India’s military intervention in Kashmir was provisional upon the Maharaja’s signing of the Instrument of Accession. More importantly, however, the evidence suggests that Indian troops were pouring into Srinigar even before the Maharaja had signed the treaty. This fact would suggest that the treaty was signed under duress.


3) The Maharaja had no authority to sign the treaty, hence the Instrument of Accession can be considered without legal standing . The situation on the ground demonstrates that the Maharaja was hardly in control of the state of Jammu and Kashmir. Hari Singh was in flight from the state capital, Srinigar. And it is highly doubtful that the Maharaja could claim that his government had a reasonable chance of staying in power .....



Thus, an analysis of the circumstances surrounding the signing of the Instrument of Accession shows that the accession of Kashmir to India was neither complete nor legal, as Delhi has vociferously contended for over sixty years.


The Fate of Kashmir
International Law or Lawlessness?
BY VIKAS KAPUR AND VIPIN NARANG
http://web.stanford.edu/group/sjir/3.1.06_kapur-narang.html


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Excerpts from 'The Myth of Indian Claim to JAMMU & KASHMIR ––A REAPPRAISAL'

by Alastair Lamb

THE INDIAN CLAIM TO JAMMU & KASHMIR A REAPPRAISAL

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/autonomy...ipe-for-disaster.440287/page-12#ixzz4FhRGU9hA


Moreover, further shedding doubt on the treaty`s validity, in 1995 Indian authorities claimed that the original copy of the treaty (letter of accession) was either stolen or lost !!!




The International Commission of Jurists (ICJ), based in Geneva, passed a resolution in 1995 proclaiming Kashmir's accession to India as bogus and null and void.

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Voluntary Resolutions ??

1) UN maintains that "NO SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION CAN BE DESCRIBED AS UNENFORCEABLE."


2) India approached UN under Chapter VI of the UN charter , BUT the decision taken by UN reflected that its resolutions were not based exclusively on this chapter .... The resolutions , apart from chapter VI , are based upon other chapters , including chapter VII

The fact that there does not exist any provision for the deputing of UN peace keeping mission under chapter VI makes it obvious that UN resolutions were not exclusively based on chapter VI .... The interim measures which included cease fire and deputation of United Nations Military Observer Group were based on Article 40 of chapter VII ...

Besides chapter VI and VII , UN resolutions are based on other chapters also(i.e Article 1 , Chapter I (2) and Article 55 , Chapter IX) ...

^^ And this is not my personal opinion. That is Rosalyn Higgins' opinion on 'Kashmir Resolutions and under which chapter they were passed' .. Source: 'Higgins, Rosalyn. United Nations Peace Keeping 1946-67: Documents and Commentary. London, UK: Oxford University Press, 1970. (349-51)

(Rosalyn Higgins is an expert on International Law; a Doctor of Juridical Science. She has served as a Judge in the International Court of Justice for fourteen years (and was elected President in 2006). Her competence has been recognised by many academic institutions, having received at least thirteen honorary doctorates)


3) Moreover, there always has been a general inability of the Permanent Five to agree upon imaginative and expansive applications of Chapter VI ... In Somalia, the Security Council deployed the UN's first operation, UNOSOM I, in mid-1992 to separate warring combatants and help delivery of humanitarian relief ....

UNOSOM I entered and operated without invoking Chapter VII

Further Reading: http://www.ejil.org/pdfs/6/1/1305.pdf



The binding nature of these UN resolutions (acknowledgement from India at a government level)



Finally some quotes from Indian officials on Kashmir exemplifying their commitment to plebiscite rather than forced accession as history has found them do :-

We adhere strictly to our pledge of plebiscite in Kashmir – a pledge made to the people because they believe in democratic government …… We don’t regard Kashmir as a commodity to be trafficked in
-Krishna Menon (Press statement in London, reported in the Statesman,
New Delhi, 2nd August, 1951)

The Government of India not only reaffirms its acceptance of the principle that the question of the continuing accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India shall be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite under the auspices of the United Nations, but is anxious that the conditions necessary for such a plebiscite should be created as quickly as possible
-Letter from Govt. of India to UN Representative for India and Pakistan, 11th September, 1951

I want to say for the purpose of the record that there is nothing that has been said on behalf of the Government of India which in the slightest degree indicates that the Government of India or the Union of India will dishonour any international obligations it has undertaken.
-Krishna Menon (Statement at UN Security Council, 24th January, 1957)

The resolutions of January 17, 1948 and the resolutions of the UNICP, the assurances given, these are all resolutions which carry a greater weight – that is because we have accepted them, we are parties to them, whether we like them or not.
-Krishna Menon, (Statement at UN Security Council, 20th February, 1957)

These documents (UNCIP reports) and declarations and the resolutions of the Security Council are decisions; they are resolutions, there has been some resolving of a question of one character or another, there has been a meeting of minds on this question where we have committed ourselves to it.
-Krishna Menon, (Statement at the Security Council, 9th October, 1957)


India believes that sovereignty rests in the people and should return to them.
-Krishna Menon, (The Statesman, Delhi, 19th January, 1962)







The POWs were repatriated under Delhi Agreement (1973/74), the Simla Agreement (1972) had failed to resolve this issue...


The UN refuses to accept the Indian position. Almost 44 years since the signing of the Simla Agreement between India and Pakistan but the UN refuses to terminate UNMOGIP ..


The Simla Agreement does not preclude raising of Kashmir issue at the United Nations:


1) Para 1 (i) specifically provides that the UN Charter “shall govern” relations between the parties.

2) Para 1 (ii) providing for settlement of differences by peaceful means, does not exclude resort to the means of pacific settlement of disputes and differences provided in the UN Charter.

3) The UN Security Council remains seized of the Kashmir issue which remains on the Council’s agenda.

4) Articles 34 and 35 of the UN Charter specifically empower the Security Council to investigate any dispute independently or at the request of a member State. These provisions cannot be made subservient to any bilateral agreement.

5) According to Article 103 of UN Charter, member States obligations under the Charter take precedence over obligations under a bilateral agreement.

6) Presence of United Nations Military Observes Group in India and Pakistan (UNMOGIP) at the Line of Control in Kashmir is a clear evidence of UN’s involvement in the Kashmir issue.





Moreover, this Indian claim has been refuted by various UN representatives who, on several occasions, have clarified that, only a bilateral agreement, which solves the problem, would legally supersede the numerous existing UN resolutions on that dispute. Also, in the absence of any fundamental change in the circumstances, the UN resolutions can become invalid only when the UN Security Council declares them null and viod. For example in 1956, the then UN Secretary General, Dag Hammarskjold, had clearly stated that ‘the UN decision is valid until it has been invalidated by the organ which took it. ......In April 1990, the UN Representative, Francis Guiliani, clarified: ‘a bilateral agreement, which solved the problem, would supersede the resolution aimed at solving the issue. However, as long as the problem remained, the resolutions would remain in effect regardless of when they were adopted .....


Strange that you are going around in every Kashmir related thread and copy pasting the same thing that has been throughly discussed and summarily refuted. Good...but I wonder if you really think that it will change anything. :)

Other members can check this thread for reference: https://defence.pk/threads/autonomy...h-to-kashmir-or-a-recipe-for-disaster.440287/
 
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All of them are logical and right sequence.
Mujahideen won't be handing over flowers..They will use nice weapons..so that's a military solution and if Pakistan start openly supporting them and of course they will inflict huge damages on Indian army and India will feel pressured to attack Pakistan either for surgical strike or full on war...
So what part you did not understand?


Kashmir we can never ignore. They are innocent people and one of largest army is committing heinous crimes against them and they love Pakistan and want to be a part of Pakistan and that's our human right to help them against the terrorism.


Dude don't think Pakistan and Pakistani's are only the smart guy's around. Look what your war of a thousand cuts did, it has hurt you more that it hurt Indian's. But people like you won't learn even after a thousand "peshawar aps" like attack repeat in your country. Don't be under an impression that you have root out terrorists 100%.

Just wait and see the repercussions for the atrocities committed by your army in the name of "Operation zarb-e-azb" and Military courts. Just wait for some years and you will see that. :p:

Mark my words, armed forces anywhere in the world will commit crimes and atrocities if left unaccounted or left with bizarre laws like AFSPA. And Pakistan army in no better than Indian army in this regard. :(
 
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FO : According to its policy, the government of Pakistan has always been registering its protest through their envoys at every legal and diplomatic forum

LOL the entire world knows about pakistan's proxy war in India , who is he kidding? the US pentagon them self have reported it multiple times . it's only a matter of time till they claim kargil never happened and its all a propoganda.
 
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Kashmir has only the military solution. We need to support the Kashmiri Mujahideens openly and Indian terrorist rats will be run away from Kashmir..and if India wishes a war...that's no problem let it come.
u lost half the country trying the same ~ !

so many lovers of UN resolution here.. same bunch goes ape shit over UN resolution declaring Formation of Israel !!
 
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Strange that you are going around in every Kashmir related thread and copy pasting the same thing that has been throughly discussed and summarily refuted. Good...but I wonder if you really think that it will change anything. :)

Other members can check this thread for reference: https://defence.pk/threads/autonomy...h-to-kashmir-or-a-recipe-for-disaster.440287/

You guys keep posting the same nonsense and lies over and over again that has been refuted many times. You just don't give up .. You can repeat a lie a million times, but it will remain a lie ... Thoroughly discussed and summarily refuted ?? Really ? You didn't even try mate. You can't. You are as clueless on International law as you are on Kashmir Issue. Instead of wasting your time and energy here, go and try convince the UN that Kashmir is an integral part of India and not a disputed territory under International law. And if you are able to do that somehow, then come back here to tell us that we have been summarily refuted. Till then, no one is going to take you seriously ...... Thank you
 
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India claiming Kashmir its part violation of UNSC resolution: FO
July 27, 2016

By: Samaa Web Desk

Published in Pakistan
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Office Wednesday said that India calling Kashmir as its essential part is a violation of United Nations Security Council’s (UNSC) resolutions.

Talking to state-run TV, FO spokesman Nafees Zakaria said Pakistan would always resist this notion at every legal and diplomatic forum.

The spokesman said Pakistan’s main concern was the human rights violation in Kashmir and regretted that the international community remained oblivious about the situation.

He emphasized that the recent wave of protest in Kashmir must not be taken as a fresh movement of resistance.

Rather, it is a freedom movement continuing since 1989 in which over 0.1 million (One hundred thousand) Kashmiris have lost their lives on the hands of Indian security forces.

He dismissed the idea of any external force behind Kashmiris’ resistance movement and termed it an internal drive of Kashmir’s younger generation against the atrocities of Indian security forces which they are suffering for the last 26 years.

“According to its policy, the government of Pakistan has always been registering its protest through their envoys at every legal and diplomatic forum,” he added.

He called upon the international community and media to support the Kashmir issue and play their respective roles in highlighting the ongoing atrocities in Indian-held Kashmir.

About prospects of foreign-secretary level dialogue between Pakistan and India, Zakaria said the resumption process had faced a delay due to ongoing situation in Kashmir.

He said the routine talks between the border security forces of Pakistan and India are not affected, however the Composite Dialogue process cannot be completed unless Kashmir issue is on the table. -APP


Points to be noted from the above mentioned interview :

1. Perhaps FO spokesman Nafees Zakaria is very much concerned about plight of all Kashmiris on humanitarian ground but hearing plight of Azad Kashmir Kashmiri's should not be also on agenda of Pakistan when several independent think tank studies learned that it is more oppressed then Indian Occupied Kashmir. Or what has been done to nullified such studies.

2. Army's around the world are known for maintaining code of conduct against any armed resistance. I believe that is what Ops Zarb-E-Azab is also known about.

3. If the Kashmir plebiscite is inevitable then of course not only on the cost of IOK but Azad Kashmir, Gilgit and the original peak awarded to China in Pakistan - China Border co-operation.

4. If whatever is happening is against the UNSC then who should be answerable to Pakistan about the removal of IOK from disputed territories and if some one is then Pakistan should be more concerened about it first then then the freedom of Kashmir.

Healthy discussion is welcomed.

Instead of wasting your time and energy here, go and try convince the UN that Kashmir is an integral part of India and not a disputed territory under International law

We do not have to but you need to convince UN to add IOK again in disputed territories.
 
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What about Kashmir's complement? if FO of Pak (second most powerful Foreign office after China) is talking about kashmir, it should also discuss about PøK.. .. ..

it seems elections are near in Pakistan... ... ...because we hear these lullabies once every five year (or before military coups)
 
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You guys keep posting the same nonsense and lies over and over again that has been refuted many times. You just don't give up .. You can repeat a lie a million times, but it will remain a lie ... Thoroughly discussed and summarily refuted ?? Really ? You didn't even try mate. You can't. You are as clueless on International law as you are on Kashmir Issue. Instead of wasting your time and energy here, go and try convince the UN that Kashmir is an integral part of India and not a disputed territory under International law. And if you are able to do that somehow, then come back here to tell us that we have been summarily refuted. Till then, no one is going to take you seriously ...... Thank you

Yeah, I tried, and realized that you like circular arguments, and I don't play 'merry-go-round'. Good luck with your endevours, hope you find peace...because success is not coming your way.
 
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UN did declare kashmir as ours but it also recognized aspirations of some kashmiris to be independednt. That is why idia had to conduct plebiscite after gaining control of all of kashmir. but pak wasn't confident that it would gain anything by plebicite or even majority wanted not to join india.. that is why it voilated the resolution..
 
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So now they are sleeping well?

And what pakistan army did to prevent Indian forces atrocities?

PS: Indians hate terrorists and you love them, whats new in here?

Why must you keep dragging a point when there is no conclusion of the possible argument that will start? You will stick to your beliefs and I will stick to mine.
 
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It was never removed, your media lied to you ...
Why can't you accept the facts , kashmir is not on the UN's agenda. It has been removed from the list of unresolved disputed territory since 2010

Read your news paper
http://tribune.com.pk/story/77671/kashmir-issue-left-unmentioned-in-united-nations/


The UN are only focusing on new real disputes that may cause a war . Kashmir is a old relic , and since the simla agreement was signed Pakistan can't start a war over kashmir. Not that it stopped musharif in his failed kargil invasion .
 
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Kashmir has only the military solution. We need to support the Kashmiri Mujahideens openly and Indian terrorist rats will be run away from Kashmir..and if India wishes a war...that's no problem let it come.

A Pakistani terrorist sympathizer from the USA..I hope somebody will track his "support" before its too late. It's alarming how this forum lets terrorist sympathizers openly declare their intentions.
 
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