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India claiming Kashmir its part violation of UNSC resolution: FO

pakistanis should watch this video and come out of their fools paradise .
the world is with India :-)

So, a known Pakistan hater parroting the Indian official narrative means that the whole world is with India ?? You guys are really Funny ........ Christine Fair is just an academic prostitute whose sole achievement (like other academic prostitutes) resides in providing a scientific mantle to (US's) governmental criminal policies (in Afghanistan and elsewhere) .... She follows a crooked agenda and pursues a personal vendetta against Pakistan .... Her testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee, March 11, 2009, regarding “Antecedents and Implication of the November 2008 Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) Attack Upon Several Targets in the Indian Mega-City of Mumbai is more than sufficient to prove that she is a shameless liar, and a junk scholar .... Her allegations/analysis have been debunked many times by different Scholars (Just google it)
 
So, a known Pakistan hater parroting the Indian official narrative means that the whole world is with India ?? You guys are really Funny ........ Christine Fair is just an academic prostitute whose sole achievement (like other academic prostitutes) resides in providing a scientific mantle to (US's) governmental criminal policies (in Afghanistan and elsewhere) .... She follows a crooked agenda and pursues a personal vendetta against Pakistan .... Her testimony before the House Homeland Security Committee, March 11, 2009, regarding “Antecedents and Implication of the November 2008 Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) Attack Upon Several Targets in the Indian Mega-City of Mumbai is more than sufficient to prove that she is a shameless liar, and a junk scholar .... Her allegations/analysis have been debunked many times by different Scholars (Just google it)


Whatever you say about her may be right or wrong, but the question is can you refute (with points and supporting facts) her reply in this video ?? If so you can claim that she is biased. Otherwise you will have to agree that you like most of the Pakistani's hate her simply because she showed you the mirror. :p:
 
Whatever you say about her may be right or wrong, but the question is can you refute (with points and supporting facts) her reply in this video ?? If so you can claim that she is biased. Otherwise you will have to agree that you like most of the Pakistani's hate her simply because she showed you the mirror. :p:


She starts with saying that "Not even a single Pakistani has ever read the UN Resolutions", and you expect us to take this joker seriously ?

Anyway, Just for your 'satisfaction':

She says that "All those Pakistanis who are so upset that the plebiscite never happened, they have their own Government to blame... " and she believes that by presenting 'this' (i.e. blaming India for halting the process) in public, one only makes a fool of himself.

What Ms. Christine Unfair apparently is unaware of is the fact that the UN's official mediator between India and Pakistan on Kashmir (i.e. Sir Owen Dixon) had said exactly the same. He reported to the Security Council that,

"In the end, I became convinced that India`s agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form, or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation, and other forms of abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled." (Para 52 of Document S/1971)


The London Economist stated that "the whole world can see that India, which claims the support of this majority [the Kashmiri people]...has been obstructing a holding of an internationally supervised plebiscite. From this the world opinion can only conclude that India really has no confidence that the vote would go in its favour" The Economist (London), Feb 18, 1950



Who is a fool now ? Mr. Owen Dixon (an Australian judge and diplomat who served as the sixth Chief Justice of Australia. A justice of the High Court for thirty-five years, Dixon was one of the leading jurists in the English-speaking world and is widely regarded as Australia's greatest-ever jurist) ? the UN ? the English Press ? or Ms. Christine Fair herself (and her Indian admirers ) ??
 
indian tactic of winning time and hoping that things will turn out in its favours have failed.

Killing fields have grown bigger.

Neve will an alien race will be able to call Kashmir its own.

Kashmir is free and the occupation has failed.

Only the oppression and killing will continue for some time.

An expanist idealogy is bound to bit the dust.
 
Some of the points you have raised are valid but that's not what this discussion is about, and you are ignoring a very simple fact. The case of Accession of Jammu and Kashmir is different from Accession of any of the other (over 500) Princely States. Why ? Because this accession has been placed before the UN Security Council for arranging a ratification or otherwise by the people of the State under the auspices of the United Nations. Therefore, the arrangement caused through the accession of 26 October 1947 has been taken over by the interests of 195 countries of the UN (including Pakistan as a member nation of UN and as a party). Indian admission into the State is provisional. India has taken over under the UNCIP Resolutions ONLY to assist in establishing a representative provisional administration at Srinagar, to work for creating a conducive atmosphere for holding a free and fair Plebiscite for all the people of the State of Jammu and Kashmir. Pakistan as a party to the dispute administers two administrations of the State on its side of cease fire line.


The moment India took this dispute to the UN and the UNSC passed it's first Resolution on Kashmir, Kashmir became an internationally recognized disputed territory under International Law. This dispute is still registered as such and thus remains a pending agenda till it is resolved. So, the question of Accession of J&K (to India or Pakistan) cannot be compared to the accession of any other state (to either dominion).


Now, India claims that "Kashmir is an integral part of India", and that the Accession of Kashmir to India is legal and complete as the Maharaja of Kashmir had signed the "Instrument of Accession" in 1948.


Does this claim have any "Legal" basis? Answer is NO, it doesn't. For the reasons already mentioned. India can't even file a case or invoke the treaty before any organ of the United Nations as the original "Document" was reported stolen/lost in 1995, and that Document was never presented to the UN or Pakistan, it's NOT registered with the Secretariat of the United Nations.


Is it (India claiming Kashmir its part) in violation of UNSC Resolutions ? Yes, it is. The UN Security Council Resolutions of August 13, 1948, and January 5, 1949, clearly laid down that "the question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan will be decided through the democratic method of a free and impartial plebiscite."








Yes, I did. As that's (more or less) Pakistan's official position on this matter. And we know that India has its own interpretation and it does not accept Pakistan's position. Now read the point I had made in my post (which you completely ignored):






The point is, if India believed that Siachen should fall on east of LoC as per the Karachi Agreement and Simla Agreement, it should have communicated its concerns through proper diplomatic channels (as did Pakistan in Aug 1983) instead of sending in troops and occupying the area militarily, thus altering the situation unilaterally ..



Simla Agreement stated:


"Pending the final settlement of any of the problems between the two countries, neither side shall unilaterally alter the situation ... "

and

"In Jammu and Kashmir, the line of control resulting from the ceasefire of December 17, 1971, shall be respected by both sides without prejudice to the recognized position of either side. Neither side shall seek to alter it unilaterally, irrespective of mutual differences and legal interpretations. Both sides further undertake to refrain from the threat or the use of force in violation of this line."



Indian Military leadership admits that they occupied Siachen, Indian PM boasted that India had "recovered" 5000 square km land area from Pakistani occupation in Siachen area .... Yet some Indians insist that no violation of Simla Agreement was committed by India !! ... And They say that India invaded and occupied Siachen because Pakistan was planning to do the same. What they fail to realize is: whether or not Pakistan was "planning" to do the same does NOT absolve India of liability for the violation of Simla Agreement... Moreover, Siachen glacier was under de-facto control of Pakistan anyway ... EVEN IF Pakistan was planning to establish military outposts in an area already under its control, it wouldn't have been a direct violation of the Simla Agreement (even if such outposts were established) ... However, the claim that Pakistan was planning to do so is not fully substantiated. So, this argument brought forward by Indians is flawed on many levels ...

Yes - but even when you were a SEATO and CENTO ally you could not get the UN to conduct a plebiscite there. Statements like "atoot ang" and "kashmir banega Pakistan" are for domestic consumption after all. In the current atmosphere, you will not get the UN on your side - however hard you try. Again, the legal stands of both sides are pretty clear and at best you can go to the International Court of Justice for this. But even then, just like in the case of the Atlantique aircraft shot down during Kargil, the court will rule that it has no jurisdiction in the matter. The status quo will thus remain. . Let's say you get the UN to agree to conduct a plebiscite and get ALL members of the UN Security Council to agree and get a unilateral yes from the General Body of the UN. Even then, India could suspend its membership from the UN itself - which as it is a toothless and bankrupt organization and still the status quo will remain.

She starts with saying that "Not even a single Pakistani has ever read the UN Resolutions", and you expect us to take this joker seriously ?

Anyway, Just for your 'satisfaction':

She says that "All those Pakistanis who are so upset that the plebiscite never happened, they have their own Government to blame... " and she believes that by presenting 'this' (i.e. blaming India for halting the process) in public, one only makes a fool of himself.

What Ms. Christine Unfair apparently is unaware of is the fact that the UN's official mediator between India and Pakistan on Kashmir (i.e. Sir Owen Dixon) had said exactly the same. He reported to the Security Council that,

"In the end, I became convinced that India`s agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form, or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation, and other forms of abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled." (Para 52 of Document S/1971)


The London Economist stated that "the whole world can see that India, which claims the support of this majority [the Kashmiri people]...has been obstructing a holding of an internationally supervised plebiscite. From this the world opinion can only conclude that India really has no confidence that the vote would go in its favour" The Economist (London), Feb 18, 1950



Who is a fool now ? Mr. Owen Dixon (an Australian judge and diplomat who served as the sixth Chief Justice of Australia. A justice of the High Court for thirty-five years, Dixon was one of the leading jurists in the English-speaking world and is widely regarded as Australia's greatest-ever jurist) ? the UN ? the English Press ? or Ms. Christine Fair herself (and her Indian admirers ) ??

When Sheikh Abdullah was released by the Maharaja and before Pakistan invaded Kashmir he went to Lahore to speak to Pakistani leaders - it was Pakistan which rejected the idea of a plebiscite to see which state does Kashmir accede to. The invasion of Kashmir was to force the hand of the Maharaja to accede to Pakistan. Why did Pakistan not wait for Kashmiris to accede to Pakistan of its own accord? Also, for the longest time - just like in Kargil - Pakistan claimed these were not regular troops but tribals who were out to liberate Kashmir and denied any Pakistani military presence there and hence should not have objected to Indian forces ejecting any of these "non-state actors / invaders" in order to conduct a plebiscite. I am curious - what is Pakistan's position now? Is "Azad" Kashmir occupied by the tribal forces (who should be aging about 90-100 now) or is it occupied by Pak regulars? If it is the latter, best of luck winning any case.
 
She starts with saying that "Not even a single Pakistani has ever read the UN Resolutions", and you expect us to take this joker seriously ?

Anyway, Just for your 'satisfaction':

She says that "All those Pakistanis who are so upset that the plebiscite never happened, they have their own Government to blame... " and she believes that by presenting 'this' (i.e. blaming India for halting the process) in public, one only makes a fool of himself.

What Ms. Christine Unfair apparently is unaware of is the fact that the UN's official mediator between India and Pakistan on Kashmir (i.e. Sir Owen Dixon) had said exactly the same. He reported to the Security Council that,

"In the end, I became convinced that India`s agreement would never be obtained to demilitarization in any such form, or to provisions governing the period of the plebiscite of any such character, as would in my opinion permit the plebiscite being conducted in conditions sufficiently guarding against intimidation, and other forms of abuse by which the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite might be imperiled." (Para 52 of Document S/1971)


The London Economist stated that "the whole world can see that India, which claims the support of this majority [the Kashmiri people]...has been obstructing a holding of an internationally supervised plebiscite. From this the world opinion can only conclude that India really has no confidence that the vote would go in its favour" The Economist (London), Feb 18, 1950



Who is a fool now ? Mr. Owen Dixon (an Australian judge and diplomat who served as the sixth Chief Justice of Australia. A justice of the High Court for thirty-five years, Dixon was one of the leading jurists in the English-speaking world and is widely regarded as Australia's greatest-ever jurist) ? the UN ? the English Press ? or Ms. Christine Fair herself (and her Indian admirers ) ??


The matter of discussion is not whether Ms. Fair's or Mr. Dixon is right/wrong or biased. The question is India alone the violator of the preconditions of UN resolution ?? It is a big "NO".

Again if you have ever read the UN resolution as Ms. Christine has said in the video in it's letters and spirit. The first and foremost condition as far as I can remember is the withdrawal of Pakistani troops and militiamen, which unfortunately is not done till date. Moreover Pakistan is the country who had tried to change ( in 1995 and 1999) and even changed the geography ( Trans-Karakorum Tract 1963) of the disputed territory of Kashmir in lieu with the UN resolutions. If you can't respect the resolution why should India alone ??
 
The matter of discussion is not whether Ms. Fair's or Mr. Dixon is right/wrong or biased. The question is India alone the violator of the preconditions of UN resolution ?? It is a big "NO".

You are contradicting yourself now. In your previous post you said : "the question is can you refute (with points and supporting facts) her reply in this video ?? If so you can claim that she is biased."

And now, when her reply in this video has been refuted, can we claim that she is biased ?

As for violation of UNSC Resolutions by Pakistan (too), do you have any Neutral and Reliable source to back up your claim ? You (just like Ms. Fair) claim that plebiscite could not be held because Pakistan didn't fulfill the (pre)conditions.

Did UN in any of its Resolutions, or Any UN official mediator in a final report submitted to the UN, blame Pakistan for halting the process or declare that Plebiscite could not be held in J&K because of Pakistan, as it had failed to fulfill the (pre)conditions ?

If not, then your claim cannot be accepted.

On the other hand, the UN official mediator did hold India responsible for not agreeing to terms and conditions of demilitarization ...



Again if you have ever read the UN resolution as Ms. Christine has said in the video in it's letters and spirit. The first and foremost condition as far as I can remember is the withdrawal of Pakistani troops and militiamen, which unfortunately is not done till date.


https://defence.pk/threads/the-kashmir-resolutions-explanations.7904/





Moreover Pakistan is the country who had tried to change ( in 1995 and 1999) and even changed the geography ( Trans-Karakorum Tract 1963) of the disputed territory of Kashmir in lieu with the UN resolutions. If you can't respect the resolution why should India alone ??


In lieu with the UN Resolutions ? Not really. The International law permits a State in de facto and effective possession of an area to conclude agreements of a limited local character to maintain peace and tranquility

The Sino Pak border agreement of 1963 is Provisional.

https://defence.pk/threads/what-we-...-know-the-sino-pak-boundary-agreement.310842/


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@Jackdaws

The UN, in its Resolution 98, 23 Dec 1952, urged the Governments of India and Pakistan to enter into immediate negotiations under the auspices of the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan in order to reach agreement on the specific number of forces to remain on each side of the cease-fire line at the end of the period of demilitarization, this number to be between 3,000 and 6,000 armed forces remaining on the Pakistan side of the cease-fire line and between 12,000 and 18,000 armed forces remaining on the India side of the cease-fire line.


Pakistan agreed, But India rejected the proposal
 
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what proof do you want ? i have read the part of the un resolution where it is clearly written that pakistan needs to withdraw all their nationals from kashmir ,the first and foremost requirement ,which you guys never fulfilled . so until and unless you follow the first instruction of the un resolution , the rest of the instructions WILL NOT BE FOLLOWED . and dont quote ancient articles from 1950 lol , perception of both India and pakistan in the world has changed a LOT since then:agree:
 
Sorry I am not entitled to add hyperlinks to this forum yet it seems, else I would have provided few links to substantiate my arguments.

You are contradicting yourself now. In your previous post you said : "the question is can you refute (with points and supporting facts) her reply in this video ?? If so you can claim that she is biased."

And now, when her reply in this video has been refuted, can we claim that she is biased ?

Simply by quoting few words from a report, that too reported in your own news paper "Dawn". The original article is available in ( nihcr [dot] edu [dot] pk ) written by Dr. G. Sarwar Khan, who is one of the prominent politicians in Pakistan. He had willfully omitted the part wherein Mr. Dixon had mentioned about Pakistan as well. In reality he has considered both India and Pakistan equally responsible not to reach an agreement regarding the plebiscite. And you call this a neutral source ??

Also Mr. Dixon was particularly furious about Mr. Nehru because he denied to accept his proposal.

"The Dixon Plan".

It assigned Ladakh to India, the Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) to Pakistan, split Jammu between the two, and envisaged a plebiscite in the Kashmir Valley. Pakistan demurred at first, but agreed. It fell through because Nehru did not accept the conditions in which the plebiscite could be held; precisely the issue on which the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan (UNCIP) and Graham failed. They, because of their ineptness; Dixon because he lost patience.

While you quote the above I can provide you another excerpt from the same report wherein he mention about Pakistan.

"It appeared to me, that the danger to the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite could not be removed unless in the administrative hierarchy-of the State so far as it controlled the plebiscite area United Nations officers were interposed temporarily." But Pandit Nehru would have none of this. He reiterated his position once more : Pakistan was an aggressor whose aggression must be recognized ; sovereignty should remain with the present Government of Kashmir during the plebiscite ; any other policy would amount to " appeasement of the aggressors."


As for violation of UNSC Resolutions by Pakistan (too), do you have any Neutral and Reliable source to back up your claim ? You (just like Ms. Fair) claim that plebiscite could not be held because Pakistan didn't fulfill the (pre)conditions.

Forget anything written on paper, look at the reality on ground. Did Pakistan troops and militia ever withdrew as asked in resolution ??

Because, Dr. Frank Graham, who succeeded Sir Owen Dixon as the United Nations representative suggested on September 7, 1951, that first of all Pakistani troops will withdrawn, then Azad forces will be disarmed and disbanded and then the build of Indian army will withdrawn and Maharaja forces will be disarmed and disbanded. The number of armed forces to remain at the end of the period of demilitarization should be decisively reduced to the smallest number possible for final disposal by the plebiscite administrator.

Did UN in any of its Resolutions, or Any UN official mediator in a final report submitted to the UN, blame Pakistan for halting the process or declare that Plebiscite could not be held in J&K because of Pakistan, as it had failed to fulfill the (pre)conditions ?

Not just Pakistan alone, UN has time and again accused both India and Pakistan of not reaching an agreement about demilitarization and plebiscite. So it's not India who is responsible, Pakistan is also equally responsible. Moreover if you go according to Sir Owen Dixons, report Pakistan is the aggressor here. What more do you want to know ??

If not, then your claim cannot be accepted.

On the other hand, the UN official mediator did hold India responsible for not agreeing to terms and conditions of demilitarization ...

Yes, India didn't accepted it due to the fact that there was a great chance of Pakistan regular forces as well as militia in the disguise of local population and instigate an uprising given the fact that the Dogra Maharaja was not popular among the Muslim population in the valley.

We can't trust you now, then how is it possible that Pakistan who is clearly mentioned as an aggressor in UN reports be trusted back then ?? After all it is the same Pakistan army who infiltrated Kargil heights while our Prime minister was forwarding an olive branch to you.

In lieu with the UN Resolutions ? Not really. The International law permits a State in de facto and effective possession of an area to conclude agreements of a limited local character to maintain peace and tranquility

The Sino Pak border agreement of 1963 is Provisional.

It is illegal and a bluff, if you have read that agreement fully, anyone who know English can easily coherent.

"International law permits a State in de facto and effective possession of an area to conclude agreements of a limited local character to maintain peace and tranquility. It has, however, no right to conclude a definitive boundary treaty. The Sino-Pak agreement is a definitive agreement though it is termed “Provisional.” It provides for the appointment of a Boundary Commission, setting up of boundary pillars and drawing up of protocols; the characteristics of a definitive boundary agreement. Article 6 of the Agreement does not alter the fact for it forecloses any significant revision of its terms or the reopening of the accord: “The two parties have agreed that after the settlement of the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India, the sovereign authority concerned will reopen negotiations with the Government of the People’s Republic of China on the boundary, as described in Article Two of the present agreement, so as to sign a formal boundary treaty to replace the present agreement, provided that in the event of that sovereign authority being Pakistan, the provisions of the present agreement and of the aforesaid protocol shall be maintained in the formal boundary treaty to be signed between the People’s Republic of China and Pakistan” (For the text vide China, India, Pakistan, edited by K. Sarwar Hasan; Pakistan Institute of International Affairs, Karachi, 1966; pp. 378-383)."

The Agreement thus envisages that, “sovereign authority” competent to sign a boundary agreement will emerge only after the settlement of the Kashmir dispute. But that authority, if it is India, can do no more than “reopen negotiations” with China “so as to sign a formal Boundary Treaty to replace the present Agreement.” This does not bar revision of its terms explicitly, but the hint of finality is clear.

Therefore this agreement is nothing but bluff, something like leasing out some government property to a private part till 99999999999 years. :p:


The UN, in its Resolution 98, 23 Dec 1952, urged the Governments of India and Pakistan to enter into immediate negotiations under the auspices of the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan in order to reach agreement on the specific number of forces to remain on each side of the cease-fire line at the end of the period of demilitarization, this number to be between 3,000 and 6,000 armed forces remaining on the Pakistan side of the cease-fire line and between 12,000 and 18,000 armed forces remaining on the India side of the cease-fire line.

Pakistan agreed, But India rejected the proposal

Not acceptable simply because you are the aggressor, and we don't trust you period. :p:

Who is a fool now ? Mr. Owen Dixon (an Australian judge and diplomat who served as the sixth Chief Justice of Australia. A justice of the High Court for thirty-five years, Dixon was one of the leading jurists in the English-speaking world and is widely regarded as Australia's greatest-ever jurist) ? the UN ? the English Press ? or Ms. Christine Fair herself (and her Indian admirers ) ??

Mr. Owne Dixon was never a fool, that's why he had clearly mentioned Pakistan as an aggressor and even asked;

Pakistan was an aggressor whose aggression must be recognized ; sovereignty should remain with the present Government of Kashmir during the plebiscite ; any other policy would amount to " appeasement of the aggressors." LOL :p:
 
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Sorry I am not entitled to add hyperlinks to this forum yet it seems, else I would have provided few links to substantiate my arguments.



Simply by quoting few words from a report, that too reported in your own news paper "Dawn". The original article is available in ( nihcr [dot] edu [dot] pk ) written by Dr. G. Sarwar Khan, who is one of the prominent politicians in Pakistan. He had willfully omitted the part wherein Mr. Dixon had mentioned about Pakistan as well. In reality he has considered both India and Pakistan equally responsible not to reach an agreement regarding the plebiscite. And you call this a neutral source ??

Also Mr. Dixon was particularly furious about Mr. Nehru because he denied to accept his proposal.

"The Dixon Plan".

It assigned Ladakh to India, the Northern Areas and Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) to Pakistan, split Jammu between the two, and envisaged a plebiscite in the Kashmir Valley. Pakistan demurred at first, but agreed. It fell through because Nehru did not accept the conditions in which the plebiscite could be held; precisely the issue on which the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan (UNCIP) and Graham failed. They, because of their ineptness; Dixon because he lost patience.

While you quote the above I can provide you another excerpt from the same report wherein he mention about Pakistan.

"It appeared to me, that the danger to the freedom and fairness of the plebiscite could not be removed unless in the administrative hierarchy-of the State so far as it controlled the plebiscite area United Nations officers were interposed temporarily." But Pandit Nehru would have none of this. He reiterated his position once more : Pakistan was an aggressor whose aggression must be recognized ; sovereignty should remain with the present Government of Kashmir during the plebiscite ; any other policy would amount to " appeasement of the aggressors."


I don't know what you mean by this: "quoting few words from a report, that too reported in your own news paper "Dawn" when the original Source was clearly mentioned. Para 52 of Document S/1971 (Final Report Submitted to the UN by Sir Owen Dixon)...

We know that Sir Owen Dixon was no fan of Pakistan (either) and he criticized some of Pakistan's actions .... BUT he blamed India for halting the process in the Final Report submitted to the UN. And here we are discussing that who was responsible for halting the process ? India or Pakistan ? As per UN appointed official mediator, it was India ... If the UN appointed official mediator is not a Neutral Source, I don't know what is.

As for your claim that "In reality Owen Dixon held India and Pakistan equally responsible ", please provide the source.




Forget anything written on paper, look at the reality on ground. Did Pakistan troops and militia ever withdrew as asked in resolution ??


Pakistan did not withdraw its troops because India refused to accept the terms of withdrawal proposed by the UN (Pakistan accepted them). So the UN didn't ask Pakistan to withdraw its troops. Had India agreed to the terms proposed by the UN, withdrawal would have followed. Do You get it now ?




Because, Dr. Frank Graham, who succeeded Sir Owen Dixon as the United Nations representative suggested on September 7, 1951, that first of all Pakistani troops will withdrawn, then Azad forces will be disarmed and disbanded and then the build of Indian army will withdrawn and Maharaja forces will be disarmed and disbanded. The number of armed forces to remain at the end of the period of demilitarization should be decisively reduced to the smallest number possible for final disposal by the plebiscite administrator.

Frank Graham ?

I believe great powers have to stand up to (Kashmir) situation and not equivocate because of importance of India, even if this means Soviet veto and refusal of case to General Assembly. Whether it would produce concrete results would depend on degree to which big powers would bring pressure to bear on both but India in particular… I feel strongly Kashmir problem could not be swept under the rug as some people seemed to think. (Frank Graham, UN Representative – March 12, 1958)




Not just Pakistan alone, UN has time and again accused both India and Pakistan of not reaching an agreement about demilitarization and plebiscite. So it's not India who is responsible, Pakistan is also equally responsible.

I asked you to provide a source, mate. But You haven't. Anyway, Good to see that you have understood and accepted that India and Pakistan were equally responsible. And unlike Ms. Christine unfair and the Indian propagandists, you are not trying to blame Pakistan alone.



We can't trust you now, then how is it possible that Pakistan who is clearly mentioned as an aggressor in UN reports be trusted back then ??

A little correction. India tried its best but the UN did not declare Pakistan an aggressor state. India rejected the UNCIP proposals in 1948 on the basis of the argument that the proposal did not opportune any blame on Pakistan-which India considered as the aggressor in Kashmir. (However, I personally believe that Pakistan didn't do the right thing)........... And You didn't have to trust us. It was the UN (not Pakistan) that was asking you to accept those terms.


It is illegal and a bluff, if you have read that agreement fully, anyone who know English can easily coherent.



You are quoting the personal opinion of an Indian scholar. We have no reason to believe that this Agreement is definitive and not Provisional when The article 6 of the Agreement clearly states :

“The two parties have agreed that after the settlement of the Kashmir dispute between Pakistan and India, the sovereign authority concerned will reopen negotiations with the Government of the People’s Republic of China on the boundary, as described in Article Two of the present agreement, .."

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Mr. Owne Dixon was never a fool, that's why he had clearly mentioned Pakistan as an aggressor and even asked;

Pakistan was an aggressor whose aggression must be recognized ; sovereignty should remain with the present Government of Kashmir during the plebiscite ; any other policy would amount to " appeasement of the aggressors." LOL :p:


Added later ?

Anyway, Pandit Nehru (and not Sir Owen Dixon) said that ... But Pandit Nehru would have none of this. He reiterated his position once more : Pakistan was an aggressor whose aggression must be recognised ; sovereignty should remain with the present Government of Kashmir during the plebiscite ; any other policy would amount to " appeasement of the aggressors.", In the view of many people this strictly legalistic attitude contrasts sharply with India's own actions in Junagadh and Hyderabad.
 
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