India caucus behind tough terms in Pak aid bill

[PakSher]

Pakistani Lobby has worked out to block engines for the Tejas and engines for the stealth Indian frigates. Indian lobby is not as strong as they may boast it to be. Pakistani Americans are in one of the top categories of immigrants in America. Yes they are many educated Indians, but they are many non-educated indians in Motel businesses, grocery business and blue collar jobs. If you take the average average Pakistani Americans are ahead.

US does not have influence on any Pakistani Programs of national security even if the US Aid is 75 billion instead of 7.5 billion. I consider the aid to be reimbursement of expenses incurred by Pakistan.

 

[oceanx]

Hmm... so the "smarter and more resourceful" Pakistanis are not able to escape Pakistan and come to US?

The reasons for and factors behind Indian immigration to the US are the same as those behind Pakistani, Bangladeshi and even Chinese immigration to the US. Yet... Indian Americans are ahead of almost all Asian immigrant communities in US, be it in terms of college education, or household income.

Please come up with more logical arguments rather than arguing for the sake of arguing.

In fact Pakistani and (Lankan) Tamil immigrants can do quite well. Wouldn't be surprised if they catch up to the Indians in the future.

If Chinese Americans/Canadians do "better" than Japanese-descended counterparts - what does that prove? Honestly, not much.

Immigrants from Third World countries (through legal immigration) were never representative of the people they leave behind.

Just because your "home" country's immigrants do better than Finnish Americans, that is hardly a sign that your mother country has more to be proud of than little Finland.

Sometimes I wonder if the opposite is true.

Ask yourself, who "remits" more money to the "motherland" - Filipino Americans or Japanese Americans? Of course the former and is that supposed to be a source of pride?

Once again, the pride of NRIs could very well be a source of pride for India - but the "achievement" of the former in a 5% lead over other immigrant groups is in fact a stark contrast to the 75% lag Mother India holds against the same countries where the other groups come from.

Ditto for China, IMO.

It's entirely plausible that for the time being, the occupational profile of Indians from South India are very different from those from Pakistan.

Developereo's argument may just be a conjecture - but an entirely logical one at that.

 

[oceanx]

On India, they coincide. The neocons want India as a bulwark against China, the Zionists want India to weaken the only nuclear capable Muslim nation.

That's fair. But note to Pakistan: this area is increasingly exploitable.

The problem is not pride, but hegemonic ambitions. ... As such, India and China will come into conflict, not least because of resource contention. It is only a matter of time.

This goes both ways - Bharat vis-a-vis PRC, as you no doubt imply. And I agree. There is only so much internet brigands like me can do ... the rest will have to take its course.

I don't know too many native Indians, but Indian diaspora tend to be quite jingoistic. In fact, many of the fanatical Hindutva movements within India are funded extensively by expat Indians.

I did take notice of that in Canada on Globe and Mail a while ago, particularly before the Indian election. One of the most egregious examples are here, the "spokesperson" of which frequently, openly championed the cause of RSS, and clamoured for "deportation" of Muslims of India" - I kid you not.

But on the other hand, I do have a fair number of Indian/Pakistani/South Asian friends - so I am not going to generalize.

However, we are increasingly cognizant of the Saffron Brigade and its antics - as you say. There is no mistaking that.

 

[Developereo]

i dont get it ......you mean that you are fighiting america's war.....then why do you call it "GWOT".........

The US "adventures" in Afghanistan are causing AQ and their friends to come over into Pakistan, not to mention millions of refugees. Remember, it was the US itself who invited these foreign fighters into Afghanistan way back in the 80s. All Pakistan did was to acquiesce to US pressure.

say US is fighiting afganistan terrorists........THEY ARE NATURALLY BOUND TO ENTER YOUR COUNTRY......ITS THE DUTY OF YOUR DEFENCE FORCES TO GUARD YOUR TERRITORY

If you decide to clean your house of rats and they go into your neighbor's yard, you will be legally responsible for any damage they cause.

Hmm... so the "smarter and more resourceful" Pakistanis are not able to escape Pakistan and come to US?

It is about 100 times more difficult for an equally qualified Pakistani to get a Western visa than for an Indian.

Indian Americans are ahead of almost all Asian immigrant communities in US, be it in terms of college education, or household income.

Before the recent wave of cheap IT workers, Indian immigrants were no different than other migrants. They fell into two categories: there were relatively small numbers of educated migrants (doctors, engineers), while the majority were unskilled "Patel motel" types or family-related migrants.

The current disparity in education and income is only because of the cheap IT workers who have escaped India. Nothing more.

Please come up with more logical arguments rather than arguing for the sake of arguing.

I have explained to you the reasons for the recent shift in Indian American statistics. You can either understand the logic, or continue to believe in "Incredible India" fantasies to artificially pump up your ego.

Saudis?
Omanis?

What has the Saudi or Omani lobby achieved for their country? The Saudis are sycophantic fools who bow obsequiously to every American whim. The Arabs are probably the only morons on the face of this planet who still believe that the US is a "neutral arbiter" in the Israel/Palestine conflict. They followed US/Israeli orders to starve Palestinians under Hamas; they backed the pro-Israeli, pro-West party in Lebanon against the pro-Palestinian Hezbollah.

Egyptians?

The US pays $2 billion/year "protection money" to the thug Hosni Mubarak so he will brutally suppress democracy and keep the peace with Israel.

 

[Hellfire]

Pakistani Lobby has worked out to block engines for the Tejas and engines for the stealth Indian frigates.

Oh is that so.....? Any corroborating links please?
an easily readable link for your "Tejas" engine deal "block"!!!!

HAL Tejas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and engines for Indian stealth frigates are on .... India just launched its latest frigate

please do re-check your facts sir

Indian lobby is not as strong as they may boast it to be. Pakistani Americans are in one of the top categories of immigrants in America. Yes they are many educated Indians, but they are many non-educated indians in Motel businesses, grocery business and blue collar jobs. If you take the average average Pakistani Americans are ahead.

what an utter waste of bandwidth. Who did the survey?

US does not have influence on any Pakistani Programs of national security even if the US Aid is 75 billion instead of 7.5 billion. I consider the aid to be reimbursement of expenses incurred by Pakistan.

really? then why are you even discussing this thread and why dont you "refuse" the aid with strings attached outright?

I wonder.....

 

[Hellfire]

What has the Saudi or Omani lobby achieved for their country? The Saudis are sycophantic fools who bow obsequiously to every American whim. The Arabs are probably the only morons on the face of this planet who still believe that the US is a "neutral arbiter" in the Israel/Palestine conflict. They followed US/Israeli orders to starve Palestinians under Hamas; they backed the pro-Israeli, pro-West party in Lebanon against the pro-Palestinian Hezbollah..

1. Well for one, they have ensured adequate resource provision and smoothening of world financial and economic workings for their economies to derive benefit from. It can be seen from the relatively high per-capitas in variable fields of QLI index

2. Lets revert back to history of Israeli formation ..... the Arabs and Palestanian lost the damn war to a group of brigands ..... inspite of being an organised regular army force under aegis of Arab League .... and the Palestanians probably will always loose ..... they do sit on Jewish land historically!!!

The US pays $2 billion/year "protection money" to the thug Hosni Mubarak so he will brutally suppress democracy and keep the peace with Israel.

As a result, they have effectively made peace with their arch foe and have ensured greater security and prosperity of their country and a strong political clout not to mention deny the radical nutters from finding a new haven in Egypt ...... for the deeds in name of Almighty Allah .......

And what on the other hand has Pakistan achieved wrt to the said nations?

 

[Developereo]

1. Well for one, they have ensured adequate resource provision and smoothening of world financial and economic workings for their economies to derive benefit from. It can be seen from the relatively high per-capitas in variable fields of QLI index

Exactly what resources have they managed to secure through their Washington lobby that they couldn't have gotten anyway (or equivalent) through their petrodollars?

2. Lets revert back to history of Israeli formation ..... the Arabs and Palestanian lost the damn war to a group of brigands ..... inspite of being an organised regular army force under aegis of Arab League .... and the Palestanians probably will always loose ..... they do sit on Jewish land historically!!!

Wrong on two counts.

The Israelis were not a band of brigands. They were far more organized and prepared than the Arabs who underestimated them in every conflict. Their Hanganah and Irgun organizations had been training for decades and stockpiling weapons from Czekoslovakia before the 1948 war.

Palestine stopped being "Jewish land" in AD70 when the Romans captured Jerusalem and the state of Israel ceased to exist. Try going to any court of law with this line of argument and you will be laughed out of court.

As a result, they have effectively made peace with their arch foe

The thug sold his conscience for money. I don't know how ordinary Egyptians feel about this.

and have ensured greater security and prosperity of their country and a strong political clout

Almost all the "protection payout" goes to the thug and his cronies. Egyptian economy continues to be a third world basket case. Egypt has zero clout in Washington. Obama did not even meet with the thug when he made his Cairo speech.

not to mention deny the radical nutters from finding a new haven in Egypt ...... for the deeds in name of Almighty Allah .......

Except that the thug silences even legitimate opposition by lumping everyone as "radical nutters". If you think this brutal suppression of democarcy is winning Egyptian hearts and minds, think again.

And what on the other hand has Pakistan achieved wrt to the said nations?

Corrupt politcians notwithstanding, the people of Pakistan haven't sold their soul to the US for a few dollars.