India cannot defeat Pakistan militarily

[Joe Shearer]

Lmao.. You have been doing some empty mental gymnastics my friend at the back drop of some irrelevant common joe peasants who don't understand military affairs and you don't believe half of the shxt you saying nor does your generals or experts hence let me enlighten you.

At last.
Enlightenment!
Lucky lucky me.

All the Indians have been talking about is money while in truth they have the poorest country on the world you are carrying a heavy load of 1.5 billion and have the largest poverty in the world in fact you have more poverty then the whole world combined hence lets not go there and this will not change for the foreseeable future.

Does the figure of $3.74 trillion mean anything to you?
You obviously haven't read the bit where I explained to my enlightened interlocutors what and who bought military equipment.

Lool saying things like the Indian gov't is rich bla bla.. The Pakistani people are rich and are gov't is not poor either we just have debts which we won't pay anyways but as far as money goes it flows in on yearly basis hence don't misintepret things..

So it is completely untrue that companies are winding up because they are unable to import raw materials?
Are you even aware that there is nothing left in the kitty? Only enough to import goods for less than one month's consumption?
Have you any clue about economics and the economic situation? It sounds unlikely.

I swear to god

That makes a difference? Your swearing to God?

 

[Battlion25]

Does the figure of $3.74 trillion mean anything to you?
You obviously haven't read the bit where I explained to my enlightened interlocutors what and who bought military equipment.

Do the math my friend that is actully below the breadline for 1.5 billion living in the slums and living literal from the trash can.. In order to barely sustain 1.5 billion mouth breathers you need atleast 20 trillion and China is not even rich yet and just reaching middling and is not even yet there.. Technically speaking you need atleast 35 trillion in GDP but 3.7t is way way below the bread-line for India unfortunately..

 

[Joe Shearer]

We haven't been arming ourselves merely for fun in the last couple of decades at the extent which we have done and it was purely for deterence and self-defense we have all the necessary conventional tools that is number 1.

List these armaments.
Next, list how they are to be used.
Aircraft fly using aviation fuel. Tanks and APCs move using diesel or petrol. Guns are used to fire ammunition. Soldiers fire bullets through their guns. Ships burn fuel.
Do you have these - aviation fuel, diesel, petrol, ammunition, bullets, fuel for ships?

We have an inhospitable terrain with mountainous altitude which will mess up with the Indian ground forces like a bitch and could render them useless.

Do you know how to read a topographical map? Have you seen one ever before? Where are the mountains south of Chhamb-Jaurian, all the way up to the sea coast? What percentage of Pakistan's length is this?

an inhospitable terrain with mountainous altitude which will mess up with the Indian ground forces like a bitch

Inhospitable terrain with mountainous altitude messes up armies like a bitch?
A novel insight.
At this point, I am forced to ask - how old are you?

 

[Battlion25]

List these armaments.
Next, list how they are to be used.
Aircraft fly using aviation fuel. Tanks and APCs move using diesel or petrol. Guns are used to fire ammunition. Soldiers fire bullets through their guns. Ships burn fuel.
Do you have these - aviation fuel, diesel, petrol, ammunition, bullets, fuel for ships?

Like these typical Indians you are reaching for straws my friend as you have nothing to reply with of substance we will have all the necessary fuel needed, ammos and everything rest assured we will have sponsors that is just how wars are.. There will always be stake claimers and believe me in this one there will be big heavy stake claimers.. Who will watch this one with great interest.. One thing that won't be issue will be cash in the event of such conflict

 

[Joe Shearer]

India is in defense posture mentioned by another poster on the up already and here is why that is the case India can't commit to an offensive because if they were to commit to offensive they will have to throw in half of their armed forces or 60% to be able to yield anything and this will play right into Pakistan's tactical approach it will be like a penalty kick for Pakistan or a charity gift served right on the plate hence we will most like tactical nuke them eliminating them within seconds openning up India naked for our own storm but we won't do that until there is massive exchanges until the nuclear winter settles in we will patient wait for the storm not to run into the same trap the Indians did.

Wow!
Are you in the military?
You seem to know so much.
Are you aware that India has no plans to attack Pakistan?
What happens when you use tactical nukes? Why did your generals not use it when they were losing at Kargil and facing humiliation? Do you think that there will not be nuclear retaliation? Will any Pakistani forces survive such nuclear retaliation to be able to attack India?

India will on the otherside lay in waiting for Pakistan to commit that same mistake to gather ludicrous amount of forces to storm the northern plains for India to Tactical Nuke them leading to the potential loss of half of our armed forces but we aren't that dumb hence we will goad the RSS elements to charge at us first and it is key for us to take india out of her defense posture that it currently has as it's modus operandi

Of course, these cunning plans will completely deceive the RSS, and they will issue orders to the military to take action. Is that it? Do you have the slightest clue of how things work, and what the RSS does or does not do?

Pakistan has alot of fifth columns as this thread appears witness to or other multi-nicks hence we will happily sacrifice our population centers in order to eliminate India's population centers which will be win-win for the elite getting rid of garbage on both ends.

What do you think a fifth column is? Do you have any idea? If your population centres and your military are gone up in nuclear mushrooms, what will you use to attack? And will you walk or swim?

 

[Battlion25]

Wow!
Are you in the military?
You seem to know so much.
Are you aware that India has no plans to attack Pakistan?
What happens when you use tactical nukes? Why did your generals not use it when they were losing at Kargil and facing humiliation? Do you think that there will not be nuclear retaliation? Will any Pakistani forces survive such nuclear retaliation to be able to attack India?

Of course, these cunning plans will completely deceive the RSS, and they will issue orders to the military to take action. Is that it? Do you have the slightest clue of how things work, and what the RSS does or does not do?


What do you think a fifth column is? Do you have any idea? If your population centres and your military are gone up in nuclear mushrooms, what will you use to attack? And will you walk or swim?

Come on now we you are decreasing the intellect of this conversation by bringing up Kargil which was an irrelevant skirmish not even a conflict. It was like the febuary 27 when we downed 2 Indian jets and captured a pilot.

Ofcourse there will be nuclear retaliation but gathering massive forces for a storm is redundant as gathering them will open them up for few tactical N's.

As for the retaliation it is completely within the calculations throw on Karachi 20-30 warheads your are absolutely welcome hit Lahore, rawalpindi, We will go in return for the population on the other end Delhi, Mumbai, Deccans and everywhere in India.. Tit for tat this is within the calculation you see we unfortunately have trash within our borders hence honestly I see this as Win-win.. My heart is black towards both sides of the scale I only care about the elite, armed forces and these capable of serving aka the players..

We aren't losing much by getting these filth in the middle get whipped out by Indian nukes and in fact it will be a major favor

 

[Joe Shearer]

We will not commit to offensive storm until we have seen the nuclear winter has kicked in and 1 billion of the population has vanished as consequence of it either via direct hit or due to lack of food resources because the crops will die and so will the livestock this will put india's resolve to the bones and believe me the Indians aren't resilient like we are and it is not even remotely close in that regard it will be a wounded and scared animal that is laying there for the taking but we have to time it right in our tactical approach

Meanwhile your crops will survive and your livestock flourish, is it? You are aware of course that even now, as we speak, there is a shortage of food in your country, and none in ours?

While 1 billion of our 1.4 billion vanish, what will you do when 1 billion of your people vanish? How many people does that leave?

The wait before the charge should be 7-9 months after the exchanges we just let and allow India to fester with the nuclear winter while doing just small distraction limited attacks on the north making them believe as if we are attacking but hiding the big blow for later it will be equivalent to that time when Pritveraj made one single mistake which cost him the war and it was openning a gap in the middle section which is what Muhammad of Ghor was waiting for and believe me sometimes in wars of this magnitude such small decisions can decide it.

While the nuclear winter grips India, what will happen in Pakistan? warm mild climate?

Do you have even the slightest idea of what a nuclear attack will involve? Do you think that one side will lose 1 billion, and the 223 million, the 0.223 billion on the other side will survive, even a single person?

Do the math my friend that is actully below the breadline for 1.5 billion living in the slums and living literal from the trash can.. In order to barely sustain 1.5 billion mouth breathers you need atleast 20 trillion and China is not even rich yet and just reaching middling and is not even yet there.. Technically speaking you need atleast 35 trillion in GDP but 3.7t is way way below the bread-line for India unfortunately..

What are you even talking about? We have an economy and foreign exchange reserves and poverty levels, if you have seen the comparative maps that others have posted, far better than that of Pakistan. Do you know what the situation is, that Pakistan is far less able to sustain a war, let alone a nuclear war, than even Sri Lanka?

Come on now we you are decreasing the intellect of this conversation by bringing up Kargil which was an irrelevant skirmish not even a conflict. It was like the febuary 27 when we downed 2 Indian jets and captured a pilot.

Why only 2 jets? Why not 20? If you are doing the hard stuff, 20 is as good a figure as 2.

Come on now we you are decreasing the intellect of this conversation by bringing up Kargil which was an irrelevant skirmish not even a conflict. It was like the febuary 27 when we downed 2 Indian jets and captured a pilot.

There is intellect only on one end of this conversation. It is not your end. I have never come across a more muddled mind.

 

[Battlion25]

Meanwhile your crops will survive and your livestock flourish, is it? You are aware of course that even now, as we speak, there is a shortage of food in your country, and none in ours?

While 1 billion of our 1.4 billion vanish, what will you do when 1 billion of your people vanish? How many people does that leave?

While the nuclear winter grips India, what will happen in Pakistan? warm mild climate?

Do you have even the slightest idea of what a nuclear attack will involve? Do you think that one side will lose 1 billion, and the 223 million, the 0.223 billion on the other side will survive, even a single person?


What are you even talking about? We have an economy and foreign exchange reserves and poverty levels, if you have seen the comparative maps that others have posted, far better than that of Pakistan. Do you know what the situation is, that Pakistan is far less able to sustain a war, let alone a nuclear war, than even Sri Lanka?

The winter will effect you more then it does we have high peaks and mountains they can operate as shield in some areas and besides we have connectivity meaning land corridors with Eurasia while you don't.. All your corridors is either controlled by Us or China.. They will definitely cut these corridors them Chinese they are our boys all your ammo and stuff like that has to come via sea and god knows how much long that will take

 

[Joe Shearer]

Ofcourse there will be nuclear relaliation but gathered massive forces for a storm is dedundant as gathering them will open them up for few tactical N's.

What does this even mean? When you think of 1 billion of a population of 1.4 billion being wiped out, what makes you think that even 1 man, woman or child will survive out of 0.223 billion?
Do you think a nuclear device is a bullet? It kills people over hundreds of square miles. Nobody has to be gathered, they will die in their homes.

As for the retaliation it is completely within the calculations throw on Karachi 20-30 warheads your are absolutely welcome hit Lahore, rawalpindi, We will go in return for the population on the other end Delhi, Mumbai, Deccans and everywhere in India.. Tit for tat this is within the calculation you see we unfortunately have trash within our borders hence honestly I see this as Win-win.. My heart is black towards both sides of the scale I only care about the elite, armed forces and these capable of serving aka the players..

How will anyone on either side survive?

We aren't losing much by getting these filth in the middle get whipped out by Indian nukes and in fact it will be a major favor

Your arithmetic needs brushing up. If 1 billion die, nobody from a quarter of that number, either trash or elite, will survive. Nobody.

The winter will effect you more then it does we have high peaks and mountains they can operate as shield in some areas

Are you telling us that the survivors from the mountain valleys will then walk through nuclear pollution and survive?

Ask your teachers to explain why this is impossible.

 

[Battlion25]

What does this even mean? When you think of 1 billion of a population of 1.4 billion being wiped out, what makes you think that even 1 man, woman or child will survive out of 0.223 billion?
Do you think a nuclear device is a bullet? It kills people over hundreds of square miles. Nobody has to be gathered, they will die in their homes.


How will anyone on either side survive?

No.. You aren't catching my drift with the gathered one I MEAN military forces if they are gathered largely for an offensive in one place it opens them for a one sneaky shoot tactical nuke and they will be history rendering a countries entire defense forces in one blow of miscalculation mistake..

As for the population centers go for it they aren't in our calculations of deciding victory or loss hence it doesn't hang on them but personally I would want that trash whipped out anyways if India was to fail we will hit them ourselves an say it was an India one..

The Nuclear winter will have more severe effect on the bigger populations we have borders with Iran, Afghanistan and China. We can relocate any amount we deem to be useful and live behind the useless in hope of India eliminating them during the exchanges

 

[Joe Shearer]

The winter will effect you more then it does we have high peaks and mountains they can operate as shield in some areas

Are you telling us that the survivors from the mountain valleys will then walk through nuclear pollution and survive?

Ask your teachers to explain why this is impossible.

besides we have connectivity meaning land corridors with Eurasia while you don't.. All your corridors is either controlled by Us or China.

What does that have to do with anything? How will having corridors help you? Neither side will need arms or ammunition after such a holocaust, so what is the point of having links to Eurasia, or having links that the Chinese will cut? What links will the Chinese cut, by the way?

No.. You aren't catching my drift with the gathered one I MEAN it by forces if they gather largely for an offensive it opens them for a one sneak shoot tactical nuke and they will be history rendering a countries entire defense forces in one blow of miscalculation mistake.

I got it all right, and that is why there are long gaps between my posts. It takes me time to recover. So you propose to disperse your forces, and put them into caves and not give Indian nuclear bombs a large enough target to hit.

First, you need to ask a much older person, with some minimal knowledge, about how nuclear devices work, and how they make it impossible for humans to survive.

 

[Battlion25]

Are you telling us that the survivors from the mountain valleys will then walk through nuclear pollution and survive?

Ask your teachers to explain why this is impossible.

What does that have to do with anything? How will having corridors help you? Neither side will need arms or ammunition after such a holocaust, so what is the point of having links to Eurasia, or having links that the Chinese will cut? What links will the Chinese cut, by the way?

Your understanding is limited the Chinese can cut the corridors for resupplies and so can we which is the only 2 corridors..

High peaks can function like a shield and redirect a blast hence creating many natural blind spots

How may do you think you will transfer to other countries? Do you remember that 1 million Afghan refugees almost collapsed your own resources (fun fact: India harboured 10 million, 10 times the number)? Do you think that Afghanistan can accommodate even a tenth of that number? Even 10,000, considering their dire straits?

Afghanistan will be able to hold as much as we throw at them at the point of conflict which is around the half century anyways besides there are more countries in the vicinity who provide us with stragetic depth we got Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan etc etc and many others in the vicinity.. You are all Alone in this corner of the world

 

[Joe Shearer]

As for the population centers go for it they aren't in our calculations of deciding victory or loss hence it doesn't hang on them but personally I would want that trash whipped out anyways if India was to fail we will hit them ourselves an say it was an India one..

How may do you think you will transfer to other countries? Do you remember that 1 million Afghan refugees almost collapsed your own resources (fun fact: India harboured 10 million, 10 times the number)? Do you think that Afghanistan can accommodate even a tenth of that number? Even 10,000, considering their dire straits?

Your understanding is limited the Chinese can cut the corridors for resupplies and so can we which is the only 2 corridors..

What corridors? There are none that the Chinese can cut. Name one or two.

Nor do you have control over any corridors in India.

If that is your wonderful plan, I suggest you ask your parents to take away your internet connection, or that you watch donkey **** instead.

It will be more useful to you than the sort of messed up thinking that you seem to have developed.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Afghanistan will be able to hold as much as we throw at them at the point of conflict which is around the half century anyways besides we have more countries giving us larger stragetic depth we got Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan etc etc and many others in the vicinity.. You are all Alone in this corner of the world

Just go and sleep it off.

You don't have the slightest clue about any of the issues you have mentioned.

 

[Battlion25]

What corridors? There are none that the Chinese can cut. Name one or two.

Nor do you have control over any corridors in India.

If that is your wonderful plan, I suggest you ask your parents to take away your internet connection, or that you watch donkey **** instead.

It will be more useful to you than the sort of messed up thinking that you seem to have developed.

Seems like someone got bitter.. You don't understand any of this insides and this small conversation seems to have blown your mind and shattered alot of myths for you.. Stay informed and equip yourself with knowledge otherwise you won't be in the unknown.

You have little understanding about conventional warfare, stragetic weapons and tactical approach to war which have shattered your colored world view.. There is to many dynamics the average laymen won't and can't comprehend