India cannot defeat Pakistan militarily

[hussain0216]

If India ever think they can defeat Pakistan in modern warfare, they could've done that 5 - 10 years ago... they tried 4 years ago and ended up with this result:

• 2 Migs
• 1 POW
• 1 MI (own goal)
• 6 Airmen
• Brigade HQ targetted

All done in broad daylight and officially admitted by their Tri-chief in his first press briefing on the same day of event.

Note: No fake AWACS paint Photoshop images or uses the enemy's country opposition's party statement after 3 months in defense in excuse lol

besides that...

Global humiliation
All that supwa powa military might ***** in front of the world lol

Pretty much

After that all they did was damage limitation


Multiple countries stepped in to defuse the situation


They had a chance and all that happened was they ended up with egg on their face



India little skirmish with China was very similar, took a beating and then what followed was just social media bullshit and their fanboys frankly went mental




Some people are idiots and too pessimistic
Others are idiots and too optimistic
Both they are still both idiots


A full scale conflict, when you have hundreds of millions of people, and when both sides are so heavily armed will never end in full scale conflict,it will continue to be nothing with the odd limited skirmish


Between 2019 with Pakistan and 2020 with China and since Including
Shooting down their head of military
Possibly inviting conflict because they have poor control over the command structure of Brahmins teams
Myanmar firing into India to hit terrorists
And completely being out thought in Afghanistan

I don't think India has much to be happy about





Pakistans biggest problem isn't military power it's the political and economic situation backed up by social stupidity that you can see on this forum

Also China sitting on India's neck on the LAC has curtailed Indian misadventure over the last few years

 

[CallSignMaverick]

400,000 - 700,000 according to independent sources. 900k according to Imran Khan.

"Independent sources" don't mean much, India's total Army personnel size itself is around 1.2 million, of which not all are combat soldiers and are deployed in various non-combat roles.

Wrong - the two outcomes are Pakistan rapidly conducts small offensives into India before the international community stops the war (the US does not want its cannon fodder for China to be hogged by Pakistan) - or the war drags on until Pakistan slowly loses its initial numerical advantage at the frontlines, leading to a nuclear war.

Both of which is a fantasy.

A war will be over within days. If it lasts longer than Pakistan's conventional forces can handle, Nasr will effectively wipe out the Indian military's conventional forces.

Then, the ball is in India's court - accept stalemate/defeat or face annihilation.

Nuclear weapons will never be used, your generals are smarter than fanboys on online forums

 

[Rank]

That was a skirmish, we're talking of long term war, which requires a lot of resources, which pakistan as a failing economy can't afford and India as a booming economy can.

I leave it up to you.

There hardly are 60 to 70 thousand soldiers of RR inside the valley, some 270k along the entire LoC, wonder where does this 700k figure comes from.

According to your ex chief(s) including your Gen Bakshi, Pakistan (PAF) sent a formation of 24 loaded fighter jets, which was a serious act of aggression against any country. It was an ACT OF WAR against India, and Pakistan made it clear that they were ready to take the battle to any level. However, our (Indian) entire military apparatus was caught off guard and had no counter-strategy in place to counter Pakistan's response. It was evident that India did not expect such a response from Pakistan.

By targeting your brigade HQ by PAF in broad day light (which was officially admitted by your tri-chief in the same-day press conference), Pakistan made it clear that instead of unloading bombs on no-man's land, we're capable of hitting the Indian military while IAF / IA was nowhere to be seen either in the skies or on the ground. So, when you say it was a LIC or a skirmish, it was because of India's unpreparedness, not because of Pakistan. We were ready to take the event into a full-fledged war.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You either take me out on my shield or I will own that Sub-continent there is nothing inbetween..

What is your shield size?

Just asking. No plans.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

According to your ex chief(s) including your Gen Bakshi, Pakistan (PAF) sent a formation of 24 loaded fighter jets, which was a serious act of aggression against any country. It was an ACT OF WAR against India, and Pakistan made it clear that they were ready to take the battle to any level. However, our (Indian) entire military apparatus was caught off guard and had no counter-strategy in place to counter Pakistan's response. It was evident that India did not expect such a response from Pakistan.

By targeting your brigade HQ by PAF in broad day light (which was officially admitted by your tri-chief in the same-day press conference), Pakistan made it clear that instead of unloading bombs on no-man's land, we're capable of hitting the Indian military while IAF / IA was nowhere to be seen either in the skies or on the ground. So, when you say it was a LIC or a skirmish, it was because of India's unpreparedness, not because of Pakistan. We were ready to take the event into a full-fledged war.

The fact that PAF avoided hitting our brigade HQs speaks a thousand words regarding pakistan's position on a war. Since they know their country can't handle a fight any longer.

Meanwhile India entered pakistan proper and did what it wanted to. Yes 27th Feb isn't a great day for IAF but thats a skirmish not a war.

Your forex reserves barely are just $4 billion, all of them debt money with external debt touching $130 bn. A war means collapse of pakistan as a nation and an open feast for insurgent and separatist militias on your sensitive areas.

 

[Joe Shearer]

For all the sense of bravado, J&K is essentially a stalemate.

India, for all its rhetoric talk about taking Azad Kashmir and GB, but military that will be a suicide. The local population are rabid anti Indian even more so than in Pakistan.

This is the brag of some incompetent bigots, not of Indians. Get your thinking straight, please.

 

[arjunk]

"Independent sources" don't mean much, India's total Army personnel size itself is around 1.2 million, of which not all are combat soldiers and are deployed in various non-combat roles.

Are we supposed to believe a delusional Indian fanboy such as yourself or the combined journalistic and academic credentials of the field?

Both of which is a fantasy.


Nuclear weapons will never be used, your generals are smarter than fanboys on online forums

I have never resorted to ad hominem in warfare related arguments before, but you really are just stupid.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Pakistan, for all its rhetoric is in no position to take IoK. The realization was already there since the Zia days hence the proxy war. Somehow the Generals thought, the LoC and IoK should be kept hot and trigger a cascade of events where the local population rise up. That met up with overwhelming force by the Indian side. If Pakistan tries to cut off supply routes to IoK, which favor the Pakistan side, that will be met with Indian forces opening up another front on the international border.

A very penetrating analysis.

Many thanks.

It may seem an unpopular opinion, it will be a good start for both India and Pakistan to realize, that Kashmir issue is unresolvable for the foreseeable future, hence take small confidence building measures, by lowering the temperature diplomatically, keep the LoC cold and start trading with each other.

Perfectly correct.

The beneficiary will be Pakistan. There is nothing India wants from Pakistan, there are tons of things that Pakistan could take from us, direct, rather than playing peek-a-boo through Dubai.

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Are we supposed to believe a delusional Indian fanboy such as yourself or the combined journalistic and academic credentials of the field?

I never made an opinion that you'll call me deluded, most of these western media outlets themselves make up claims without any sources or research backing them. Keep believing that 7 lakh out of 12 lakh personnel of Indian Army are in Kashmir.

I have never resorted to ad hominem in warfare related arguments before, but you really are just stupid.

Yup I'm stupid to point out that nukes are out of equation. Yawn.

 

[arjunk]

The fact that PAF avoided hitting our brigade HQs

Your Operation Bandar was abortive and ineffectual, merely damaging a few trees and leaving us an intact SPICE-2000 to reverse engineer- why would we, in response, destroy your Brigade HQ with your COAS in it? It was just a show of force operation to show the world IAF still is PAF's big booty bitch. Bipin died due to his military's own incompetence later anyway, just like the 6 airmen in your heli which you all shot down and refused to admit till october.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Even if India is capable of defeating Pakistan militarily and let's assume Pakistani armed forces surrendered in front of IA, whats next? For me the problem will start from this point. Most of the Indian tax payers like me won't allow a sigle penny towards the upkeepment of the unproductive population. So capturing whole of Pakistan is out of equation.

Unlike a section of idiot opinion, nobody in his senses, and not even the Sangh Parivar in its normal state of being out of its senses, would think of occupying Pakistan. How would that bankrupt state be handled? Who will pay for feeding the population? Who will pay for fuel, or electricity?

The notion is preposterous.

It is a straw horse.

"Just try occupying and ruling Pakistan, you whatever whatever whatever, and see what the Pakistani will do to you."

But nobody thinks of a clash, that will lead to a defeat, that will lead to a need to occupy.

You will be forced to handover Delhi before anyone hands over GB and AK to you.. You can dream as much as you like.. You either surrender to me or there is nothing inbetween

Can't you find a useful hobby? Like knitting, perhaps?

You aren't contributing much to this thread, so why not figure out a useful way to spend your time?

 

[CallSignMaverick]

Your Operation Bandar was abortive and ineffectual, merely damaging a few trees and leaving us an intact SPICE-2000 to reverse engineer- why would we, in response, destroy your Brigade HQ with your COAS in it? It was just a show of force operation to show the world IAF still is PAF's big booty bitch. Bipin died due to his military's own incompetence later anyway, just like the 6 airmen in your heli which you all shot down and refused to admit till october.

If Gen Rawat's death was due to incompetence then what was the Helo crash in Balochistan in which a lot of your Generals and high ranking officials were killed last year?

As far as Op Bandar is concerned, whether you agree or not that the targets were hit or not, truth is that IAF went inside Pakistan proper and dropped payload and went back as well. Pakistan for all its talks didn't hit our installations because it is aware it can't sustain a war with India.

 

[hussain0216]

A very penetrating analysis.

Many thanks.


Perfectly correct.

The beneficiary will be Pakistan. There is nothing India wants from Pakistan, there are tons of things that Pakistan could take from us, direct, rather than playing peek-a-boo through Dubai.

On the contrary,, peace with India was always dangerous for Pakistan, it would have lead to a situation not too dissimilar to India and other south Asians states where the sheer size of India, the commonality of culture, business prospects for the rich, would have led to a situation where Pakistan sovereignty would be at risk


Enmity and conflict means freedom and independence

 

[arjunk]

most of these western media outlets themselves make up claims without any sources or research backing them.

And what sources and backing do your claims have, exactly?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Laughing my azz so you hiding your azz within us.. This is really simple broski lose the flag for a starter and then seek ways to make it to India I am sure there are riches there and not the worlds largest poverty.. India has more poverty then the whole world combined..

Try your luck over there..

If you refuse to change your flag the mods should intervene and do it for you..

@waz

WHAT has this map of poverty got to do with the possible results of war?

India was not much worse off in 48, in 65 and in 71. She is better now than at any of those three occasions.

On the other hand, Pakistan has dropped sharply from those positions.

Please think about your proposition.

Does anyone seriously think that a stronger India and a weaker Pakistan will come to the same conclusion as before? Let alone a better conclusion for a weaker Pakistan?