India and USA hand-in-glove

[Seadog1]

Perhaps you need to get your head around to the fact that india is promoting terrorism leveraging american presence and occupation.

Pakistan and China is based on bilateral cooperation and neither Pakistan or China is using any third or fourth county to wage terrorism, like india.

Thats kind of like the Pot calling the Kettle black.

 

[Bhaarat]

Its shame Pakistan did not just stay as a state of India togather they would have been one of 3 world powers,, with USA, and China, and 4 if you would count the European union

Well, Britain and US can be given the credit for prempting this threat of future in !947 itself by partitioning and then maintaining the partition of India. Otherwise, US would have had no role in Indian Sub-continent and Indian ocean. US is indeed a very clever player of geopolitics!

 

[Bhaarat]

Thats not what Jinnah felt we should respect his wish and reality.

Not to deviate the thread or hurt anyone, but its worth knowing whether Jinnah was satisfied with his decision to split India throughout his life or did he change his mind later.

Ok, back to topic...

 

[Hulk]

Partition was best decision IMO, people who regret it does not understand what would have happened otherwise. It would have been impossible to govern such big state with lot of illiterate people having strong feeling for each other. Being big does not mean we would have been powerful.

 

[Bhaarat]

Partition was best decision IMO, people who regret it does not understand what would have happened otherwise. It would have been impossible to govern such big state with lot of illiterate people having strong feeling for each other. Being big does not mean we would have been powerful.

No, the location, the resources(land, people, and other) could have definitely made us quite powerful but the same things also attract attention which had resulted in both colonization and partition. But I agree with you, partition was the best thing. In many ways, it was inevitable...

 

[Seadog1]

No, the location, the resources(land, people, and other) could have definitely made us quite powerful but the same things also attract attention which had resulted in both colonization and partition. But I agree with you, partition was the best thing. In many ways, it was inevitable...

Have you ever given thought that there was postive impacts from colonization.

One of the first impacts that colonisation had in India was the development of unity. When Britain first acquired India as a colony the country was divided. The British imposed system impacted India by bringing more equality to the country as the caste system which outlined social hierarchy was adapted. It is also significant that Britain accepted all of the religions of India which also allowed unity to prosper.

Leading Towards Democracy

India has also experienced positive impacts from the institution established and then left behind by the colonizers. The institutions established by the British Raj and then inherited by India helped lead to democracy in modern day India. The assistance of these institutions assisted India in becoming the world’s largest democracy today. It is also of note that Britain first introduced India to early capitalism through colonization. Britain transformed India into an agricultural based capitalist economy and established forms of private ownership. These actions led India into creating free trade and competitive business.


Benefits in Today’s World

Today India is the largest provider of services in the world in large part due to colonisation; however, it is uncertain if without colonisation this would be possible. The Indian population is able to compete in the service sector due to the positive impact of the English language being left behind post British rule. When colonisation was occurring in India schools were established which taught and offered instruction in English. It is also of note that the East India Company had a positive impact by establishing some services such as rail throughout the country.

 

[Hulk]

No, the location, the resources(land, people, and other) could have definitely made us quite powerful but the same things also attract attention which had resulted in both colonization and partition. But I agree with you, partition was the best thing. In many ways, it was inevitable...

Do you think we lack resources today, I do not buy this. There are many smaller nations that had made big mark and it is the determination of people that works most. The good example is Japan, I do not think we are a great country that way, I do not think we are full of intelligent and hard working people (that does not mean we do not have, I mean not everyone is like that). If we are getting our economy big, it is because of dedication of few million people who work very hard. We are winning because of quantity but average quality is still not that great.

In Japan when people go for work, they always reach in or before time. They work for 8 hours hardly take break, we do not need to keep an eye they will do their job irrespective.

Talk about USA, here people start showing up to work at 6 AM in morning and by 7 most of them are at work. They have coffee at desk while working and take their lunch at desk as well, so they do effective 7 hours of work in 8 hours. Have you seen anyone coming to work at 6 in India (leave those who have no choice). Even in the IT industry which I am part of and seen for 10 plus years now hardly 10% comes on time. And want to add more, the new generation a lot them got their job so easily that they think they are superman and does not need to do anything. I have personally faced it, with 100 different people reporting to me.


Continues introspection leads to improvement which leads to success.

 

[Seadog1]

Do you think we lack resources today, I do not buy this. There are many smaller nations that had made big mark and it is the determination of people that works most. The good example is Japan, I do not think we are a great country that way, I do not think we are full of intelligent and hard working people (that does not mean we do not have, I mean not everyone is like that). If we are getting our economy big, it is because of dedication of few million people who work very hard. We are winning because of quantity but average quality is still not that great.

In Japan when people go for work, they always reach in or before time. They work for 8 hours hardly take break, we do not need to keep an eye they will do their job irrespective.

Talk about USA, here people start showing up to work at 6 AM in morning and by 7 most of them are at work. They have coffee at desk while working and take their lunch at desk as well, so they do effective 7 hours of work in 8 hours. Have you seen anyone coming to work at 6 in India (leave those who have no choice). Even in the IT industry which I am part of and seen for 10 plus years now hardly 10% comes on time. And want to add more, the new generation a lot them got their job so easily that they think they are superman and does not need to do anything. I have personally faced it, with 100 different people reporting to me.


Continues introspection leads to improvement which leads to success.

Chinese workers make americas look lazy...but then so do people from India and Pakistan that come to america.

 

[Bhaarat]

Seadog,

if we look at cost-benefit analysis, then Colonization pushed Indian sub-continent by many decades. Sure, there could have been certain benefits, but they are negligible to say the least. We could have learnt things without being colonized for 300 years. I appreciate your ability to look at silver lining, but its also important to have a perspective. Lets be very clear that colonization was brutal on Sub-continent civilization in all ways. The brits manipulated us in political, religious, social, financial and in every other way. If India(I mean pre-colonised India) had occupied Britain, would the Brits think on similar lines about occupation merely because of a democracy or a language?

Also, democracy(and more importantly its success) is not a direct consequence of colonial rule. British ruled many nations, how many of them are democratic today? How many of them are struggling from political, ethinic, social and religious(minority) problems that were created in British rule?

 

[Seadog1]

Seadog,

if we look at cost-benefit analysis, then Colonization pushed Indian sub-continent by many decades. Sure, there could have been certain benefits, but they are negligible to say the least. We could have learnt things without being colonized for 300 years. I appreciate your ability to look at silver lining, but its also important to have a perspective. Lets be very clear that colonization was brutal on Sub-continent civilization in all ways. The brits manipulated us in political, religious, social, financial and in every other way. If India(I mean pre-colonised India) had occupied Britain, would the Brits think on similar lines about occupation merely because of a democracy or a language?

Also, democracy(and more importantly its success) is not a direct consequence of colonial rule. British ruled many nations, how many of them are democratic today? How many of them are struggling from political, ethinic, social and religious(minority) problems that were created in British rule?

I expect the political, ethinic, social and religious(minority) problems would be there regardless of British rule...an for example India might be nothing but a collection of smaller countries at each others throat if not for British rule. With not a lot of thought it seems like many of Britishs coloneys are democratic.. But I honestly dont know in a cost analysis if British rule was benefical or not,,, would have thought some one could have figured that out objectivly by now,,, would be an interesting subject.

 

[Bhaarat]

I expect the political, ethinic, social and religious(minority) problems would be there regardless of British rule...an for example India might be nothing but a collection of smaller countries at each others throat if not for British rule. With not a lot of thought it seems like many of Britishs coloneys are democratic.. But I honestly dont know in a cost analysis if British rule was benefical or not,,, would have thought some one could have figured that out objectivly by now,,, would be an interesting subject.

I doubt the if India had remained uncolonised extent of problems(ethinic, social, political or religious) would be as great as post-colonization. Then, of course, India was perhaps would never have been as poor as it is today, if it were not for looting by the Brits. As for India remaining a collection of smaller countries. Yes, there is such a possibility. But there is also a possibility of a stronger indian power emerging which would in time control most of India like Mughals did, like Mauryas did. There are many examples of such empires that survived for fair time period. Marathas, and Sikhs were raising powers and they could have perhaps been the next inheritors of Indian throne but for the Brits. As for democracy, not many countries have been successful with it, nor is it an absolute necessity as long as the people are given a fair deal.

I am not ignoring any positives out of British Colonization, I am merely saying that hailing it as positive for Indian Sub-continent is nothing short of inhuman to those who lived in Colonised India where the dogs and Indians were treated at par by British. If I feed a sheep and fatten it, so that I can halal it later, would you call that a positive for sheep?

All the developments carried out by the british were similar. The democracy was never fair when the British were still in power in India. They engineered many fights among various regions, religions, languages, castes...etc. They developed the railways to better equip themselves in their quest to absorb every bit of financial wealth in India. They destroyed the ancient learning centres and developed Education centres which were good to churn out clerks for the empire. Its the greatness of India that India has learnt even from its oppressors.

 

[Seadog1]

Seadog,

if we look at cost-benefit analysis, then Colonization pushed Indian sub-continent by many decades. Sure, there could have been certain benefits, but they are negligible to say the least. We could have learnt things without being colonized for 300 years. I appreciate your ability to look at silver lining, but its also important to have a perspective. Lets be very clear that colonization was brutal on Sub-continent civilization in all ways. The brits manipulated us in political, religious, social, financial and in every other way. If India(I mean pre-colonised India) had occupied Britain, would the Brits think on similar lines about occupation merely because of a democracy or a language?

Also, democracy(and more importantly its success) is not a direct consequence of colonial rule. British ruled many nations, how many of them are democratic today? How many of them are struggling from political, ethinic, social and religious(minority) problems that were created in British rule?

Well you would have to admit if a little country like the UK could kick India and Pakistans butt and colonized it for 300 years it could not have been much to start with.

 

[Bhaarat]

Well you would have to admit if a little country like the UK could kick India and Pakistans butt and colonized it for 300 years it could not have been much to start with.

Mate, every civilization has rise and decline. Asia's decline coincided with Europe's rise. But before that Asia was much more advanced than Europe in many ways. If India(pre-british India) was 'not much' would the Europeans bother to come all the way from Europe and occupy India? Also, India was an engine in British empire. See, how the brits have steadily gone down from the time India was wrested out of their control....

The way I see it, Asia was predominant in the world once, then it declined, Europe rose, then it started fading, America(US) rose. Now, the next millenium is touted as Asian century. A full circle, if you ask me.

 

[alirulesall123]

Wow, I wait for the day when Pakistanis stop blaming all of their problems on some sort of jewish-hindu-american-martian evil axis and actually grows the **** up.

 

[GLOBAL HAWK]

Wow, I wait for the day when Pakistanis stop blaming all of their problems on some sort of jewish-hindu-american-martian evil axis and actually grows the **** up.

I wait for the day when every one in pakistan recognizes that they have brought the Frankenstein monster upon themselves by allowing wahabi's and mullah's take over public sensitivities.

Man!!! i thought we were the only nation that feeds frenzy upon conspiracy theories.

we've even got a conspiracy theory as to why conspiracy theories arise.