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[Yogijaat]

India called their master to come fight for them. Why does it feel like it has happened before?

Oh wait...

India pleaded for US help against China in 1962 - Times of India

And just like before, the USA ended up using India as a pawn and a meat shield against China.

the pawn you say made mighty China to wet it's pant and use it's veto power. If a pawn can instigate so much hysteria in an upcoming supapowa than one hell of a pawn he is.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

the pawn you say made mighty China to wet it's pant and use it's veto power. If a pawn can instigate so much hysteria in an upcoming supapowa than one hell of a pawn he is.

LOL, we didn't even need to use veto power.

Don't you read the news? Over 10+ countries opposed India's entry to the NSG, and since every country has veto, that's like India got vetoed 10 times.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Member who blocked India's entry into NSG be held accountable: US diplomat
By PTI | 29 Jun, 2016, 21:47 hrs IST

A week after India failed to get entry into Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) due to China-led opposition, the US today said one country can break consensus in the atomic trading bloc and insisted that such member should be held accountable.
NEW DELHI: A week after India failed to get entry into Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) due to China-led opposition, the US today said one country can break consensus in the atomic trading bloc and insisted that such member should be held accountable.
US Under Secretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon asserted that the US is committed to ensuring India's entry into the NSG while expressing "regret" that Washington was unsuccessful in making India a member of the bloc in its pleanary in Seoul last week.
"We understand that in a consensus-based organisation, one country can break consensus. But in order to do so it must be (held) accountable not isolated.
"I think what we need to do going forward is, for both of us India and the US, sit down and take a call what happened in the Seoul, take a close look at the diplomatic process which is significant and see what more we can do and how we can ensure that next time we are successful," he said during an interactive session at the Foreign Service Institute.
Calling India an "anchor of stability" in the Asia Pacifc region, US Under Secretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon also said what China was doing in South China Sea is "madness" and it wants New Delhi to play a major role in the Indian Ocean.
Shannon said managing the rise of China was a major challenge and that the US wants to work with India to have a strong and comprehensive presence in the Indian Ocean.
Describing India a responsible and important player in the sphere of nuclear non-proliferation, Shannon said, "We are committed to having India join the Nuclear Suppliers Group. We believe that through the kind of work we have done, the civil nuclear agreement, the way India conducted itself, it is worthy of this."
On India's NSG bid, he said the US would continue to work for India's inclusion in the group.
Shannon, who met Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar earlier in the day, said India's recent entry into the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) highlighted that the country is a "responsible and important player in the road to non- proliferation."
"We regret, in Seoul we and India, were unable to open space necessary to allow India to move into the NSG at this moment," he said.
When asked whether he thinks India will ratify the Paris climate deal before Obama administration's tenure got over and, at the same time, it will become a member of the NSG, he said "I hope so".
He said India has given a commitment to ratify the climate deal.
Shannon said that Indo-US civil nuclear cooperation was a very important symbol of friendship between the two countries.
"Just a few weeks ago, President Obama and Prime Minister (Narendra) Modi welcomed the start of preparatory work on a site in Andhra Pradesh for six AP 1000 reactors to be built by an American company.
"This is expected to provide jobs in both countries and bring clean, reliable electricity that will help meet India's growing energy needs while reducing reliance on fossil fuels," he said.

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American commentary deserves a spot in comedy central channel.
they want to bend the rules of the same organisation which was made in response to Indian nuclear tests
this bullying is against the very letter and spirit of the organisatio and also blackmailing and threatening China since the outcome was not to their pleasure

as far as I know.. it was more than one country that blocked Indian membership and hopefully the opposition will hold its lines against the bullying

I think best course for them is to make a 2 member organisation and be happy with that.

LOL, we didn't even need to use veto power.

Don't you read the news? Over 10+ countries opposed India's entry to the NSG, and since every country has veto, that's like India got vetoed 10 times.

dont let them bully you

 

[Areesh]

Yes it should be held accountable. Lets tweet against using Chinese products from made in China smartphones.

 

[Mysticbuddy]

wow what an game

but that country is US grand father
largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more about $1.2 trillion in bills, notes and bonds, according to the Treasury.

That is 1/16 of the GDP for US. Who is going to loose that if they default of if their economy even sneezes.

 

[Yogijaat]

LOL, we didn't even need to use veto power.

Don't you read the news? Over 10+ countries opposed India's entry to the NSG, and since every country has veto, that's like India got vetoed 10 times.

Naah.. in lala land of CCP it should be 48+1, India itself was opposing it's entry into NSG.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

India called their master to come fight for them. Why does it feel like it has happened before?

Oh wait...

India pleaded for US help against China in 1962 - Times of India

And just like before, the USA ended up using India as a pawn and a meat shield against China.

Yep, India sold their sovereignty and didn't even get the NSG seat they were promised.

Bad deal for them, just like when they tried to use their master against us in 1962. They just have no idea what they are doing.

Hi @waz, I'm curious if this post violates the forum rules?

 

[Areesh]

Hi @waz, I'm curious if this post violates the forum rules?

There is nothing wrong with the post. You begged America. This is a fact. Even Pakistan was asked not to attack IOK during 1962 war.

 

[Mentee]

ROFL haha

You mad bro? Go see a scientist

 

[cloud4000]

American commentary deserves a spot in comedy central channel.
they want to bend the rules of the same organisation which was made in response to Indian nuclear tests
this bullying is against the very letter and spirit of the organisatio and also blackmailing and threatening China since the outcome was not to their pleasure

as far as I know.. it was more than one country that blocked Indian membership and hopefully the opposition will hold its lines against the bullying

I think best course for them is to make a 2 member organisation and be happy with that.

One wonders why Pakistan submitted an application to join a group that discriminates against them as well.

 

[Areesh]

One wonders why Pakistan submitted an application to join a group that discriminates against them as well.

To build case to block India. And it worked. it is pretty simple.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

American commentary deserves a spot in comedy central channel.
they want to bend the rules of the same organisation which was made in response to Indian nuclear tests
this bullying is against the very letter and spirit of the organisatio and also blackmailing and threatening China since the outcome was not to their pleasure

as far as I know.. it was more than one country that blocked Indian membership and hopefully the opposition will hold its lines against the bullying

I think best course for them is to make a 2 member organisation and be happy with that.


dont let them bully you

If its "bullying is against the very letter and spirit of the organisatio" ? why did the Chinese agree to accept India's NSG waiver?

The NSG waiver is far more against the spirit of NSG, as it grants India many benefits of NSG without even being a member.

 

[cloud4000]

To build case to block India. And it worked. it is pretty simple.

Not exactly. If it was about simply about blocking India's entry into NSG, China would just veto it. End of story. But Pakistan wants to join NSG too, if anything to burnish its image as a responsible nuclear state and make it easier to import nuclear technology.

If there's a case India within NSG, there's a bigger case against Pakistan; and not even China can deliver on this. So it was just easier to veto India's entry, if anything to please Pakistan. Not that it matters, the waiver gives India the right to pursue nuclear deals bilaterally.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Not exactly. If it was about simply about blocking India's entry into NSG, China would just veto it. End of story. But Pakistan wants to join NSG too, if anything to burnish its image as a responsible nuclear state and make it easier to import nuclear technology.

If there's a case India within NSG, there's a bigger case against Pakistan; and not even China can deliver on this. So it was just easier to veto India's entry, if anything to please Pakistan. Not that it matters, the waiver gives India the right to pursue nuclear deals bilaterally.

Most critically import nuclear fuel.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If its "bullying is against the very letter and spirit of the organisatio" ? why did the Chinese agree to accept India's NSG waiver?

Because we didn't lose anything, and we got something nice in return, the right to build multiple nuclear reactors in Pakistan outside of NSG rules.

And sure, we wouldn't lose anything by letting India into the NSG either.

But since India sold their sovereignty to the USA in exchange for NSG support, we know India wants it badly enough to pay a big price for it. Modi offering a few nuclear reactors and industrial parks is nice, but not enough.