India and NSG-News, Updates and Discussions.

[Spring Onion]

Yep, India sold their sovereignty and didn't even get the NSG seat they were promised.

Bad deal for them, just like when they tried to use their master against us in 1962. They just have no idea what they are doing.

Whats new dint US use china against soviets. US has been using china for long time, only India is new.

well in this new development IF India agreed to be used happily against China by US then it is India that is going to lose in the long run. Indian-American relations are not like US-Pak ones. Neither India can afford to lose so much unlike Pakistan who had already nothing to lose much.

For years I had been saying and I will repeat it again here that US not going to tolerate another competitor in the field of economy in the shape of India.

Pakistan was never a factor in India not getting NSG.

Indeed. Which proves that those opposing India have concerns about Indian entry. US has nothing to lose to let India in but India would have to get feed by US for her engagements with China in that case.

 

[danger007]

Pakistan was never a factor in India not getting NSG.

actually pak trying to score some points in NSG events.. haven't you seen sartaz statement? n

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Whats new dint US use china against soviets. US has been using china for long time, only India is new.

The irony here is the Chinese have a far longer history of being mistreated by the Americans.
First during the Colonial era, they humiliated China as part of the 8-nation alliance and maintained a colonial enclave on mainland Chinese soil.

Despite these humiliations, Chinese jumped into American camp during cold war for being again mistreated by Soviets as a "Junior partner"

To this day America remains a hurdle to China's national and territorial integrity by preventing take over of Taiwan, despite considering Taiwan as Chinese territory.

And other minor mistreatment like blowing up Chinese embassy in Belgrade and getting away with espionage during Hainan Island incident, despite killing Chinese pilot.

In 2008, bullied into accepting India's NSG waiver, hence making China compromise on her national security by her own acceptance.

 

[illusion8]

well in this new development IF India agreed to be used happily against China by US then it is India that is going to lose in the long run. Indian-American relations are not like US-Pak ones. Neither India can afford to lose so much unlike Pakistan who had already nothing to lose much.

For years I had been saying and I will repeat it again here that US not going to tolerate another competitor in the field of economy in the shape of India.



Indeed. Which proves that those opposing India have concerns about Indian entry. US has nothing to lose to let India in but India would have to get feed by US for her engagements with China in that case.

Lose what? The 70 billion dollars already invested by US companies in India..or the 100 billion dollars investment that's in the works by US companies?

The state of the art tech, or the proposed 500 billion trade ?

 

[Areesh]

Pakistan was never a factor in India not getting NSG.

At least it was an excuse by China to veto you.

Better not speculate about Pakistan when indias request to join nsg has been rejected. And its not just China , its 12 more countries that opposed India's request to join NSG.

India is blaming China for their own diplomatic failure, as a scape goat.

True. But China's position was that it wanted equal treatment for all countries applying for NSG membership.

 

[illusion8]

The irony here is the Chinese have a far longer history of being mistreated by the Americans.
First during the Colonial era, they humiliated China as part of the 8-nation alliance and maintained a colonial enclave on mainland Chinese soil.

Despite these humiliations, Chinese jumped into American camp during cold war for being again mistreated by Soviets as a "Junior partner"

To this day America remains a hurdle to China's national and territorial integrity by preventing take over of Taiwan, despite considering Taiwan as Chinese territory.

And other minor mistreatment like blowing up Chinese embassy in Belgrade and getting away with espionage during Hainan Island incident, despite killing Chinese pilot.

In 2008, bullied into accepting India's NSG waiver, hence making China compromise on her national security by her own acceptance.

Chinese and Pakistanis advising India against something inadvertently means that it's a good thing for India. The chinese pakistani nexus funda.

 

[danger007]

well in this new development IF India agreed to be used happily against China by US then it is India that is going to lose in the long run. Indian-American relations are not like US-Pak ones. Neither India can afford to lose so much unlike Pakistan who had already nothing to lose much.

For years I had been saying and I will repeat it again here that US not going to tolerate another competitor in the field of economy in the shape of India.



Indeed. Which proves that those opposing India have concerns about Indian entry. US has nothing to lose to let India in but India would have to get feed by US for her engagements with China in that case.

If you come to that feeding point.. actually once pak advocate and act on behalf of US .. now china, china supporting not because of love but present chinese interests involving pak.. isn’t CPEC more favourable to china than Pakistan? ?? isn't Pakistani members advocating chinese naval or military sphere into neighbourhood? but when you ask Indians, we move closer but with caution...India - pak both are different... our priority is economy it is not in case of Pakistan..

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Sad to inform you that we don't give two hoots to what Churchill thinks.

Btw, we will get the NSG membership by the end of this year, just wait and watch.

Show some respect to your formal colonial master since you guys still use his language as your official language , and what make we give a damn to a person that his nation is merely a geographical expression to comment over Tibet and I wish you luck to get your NSG membership and please don't vent you anger on China again this time

 

[Loafer]

Show some respect to your formal colonial master since you guys still use his language as your official language , and what make we give a damn to a person that his nation is merely a geographical expression to comment over Tibet and I wish you luck to get your NSG membership and please don't vent you anger on China again this time

English is Indo European language family. Indo not Chinese. We he right over all Indo family languages

India is a geographical expression is as much as Europe is an extension of Asia.

Churchill must be rolling in his grave when today London is 45% white and Pakistan holds 10 seats in Westminster and London Mayor is a Pakistani.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html


No one vents anger on China. It's the chinaman who is creating obstacles for peaceful development of India and humanity. Chinese actions are against the interests and developments of all poor people in the world.

 

[Jlaw]

Yeah, the world is unfair, what is new?

The first 5 nuclear powers became the only legitimate nuclear powers under the NPT, the UN and International Law. And are also the same countries who form the UNSC P5.

Next you'll be asking us to reform the UNSC P5? (Oh wait... you've already been asking for that for over a decade...)

Yes, exactly. I've never heard of any board of directors in any company that want an extra member so their power will be reduced

 

[Jlaw]

Hi @waz, I'm curious if this post violates the forum rules?

Sore loser. Can't rebuttal with facts so you are calling on moderator for help. Just like your forefathers calling on US for help in 1962

 

[SQ8]

Calling India an "anchor of stability" in the Asia Pacifc region, US Under Secretary for Political Affairs Tom Shannon also said what China was doing in South China Sea is "madness" and it wants New Delhi to play a major role in the Indian Ocean.

In other words, the US wants India to be the bullwark to China; perhaps get into a war with them and provide the cannon fodder. To help India in being the US sheriff for South Asia, the US will assist in any way possible.

 

[oprih]

Here comes india's superhero to save the day of the suffering and crying indians. At the end of the day, americans and indians will cry together because they are both a failure.

 

[DesiGuy1403]

In other words, the US wants India to be the bullwark to China; perhaps get into a war with them and provide the cannon fodder. To help India in being the US sheriff for South Asia, the US will assist in any way possible.

India really has a lot of reasons to take up US offer.
Whether we take up sides or not, China has already made us a target, directly & indirectly.

India has very few options.

Well played to US though. They knew how to press the correct buttons at the correct time.

 

[SQ8]

India really has a lot of reasons to take up US offer.
Whether we take up sides or not, China has already made us a target, directly & indirectly.

India has very few options.

Well played to US though. They knew how to press the correct buttons at the correct time.

China has made all of us a target. My foolish countrymen cannot see it and the Chinese cannot understand it without offence. That is more than a billion people who are running out of resources and space. They need someplace to go where they can continue their strip mining of resources to survive. Guess who is closest to them with abundant natural resources?